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Old 01-20-2008, 03:10 PM
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The main problem I see when you compare V6 to V8 in a car, is the transmission.

I also read about it once on here.

Basically the transmission is setup for the v8, and the V6 with those gear ratios is just pure weak, even if you change rear gears, it doesn't make up for it. Maybe we'll see better transmissions design specifically for V6 engines.
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Old 01-20-2008, 03:47 PM
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In something like the Camaro, The V6 doesn't make that big of a difference in terms of gas mileage. My v6 camaro gets about 35 mpg or so and i've seen plenty of Z28s that get about 30. and those are 12 year old cars. If those camaros had todays technology then they would probably be getting better gas mileage. And like someone else said the V8s will never leave the truck. you think Toyota is gonna take their 5.7L out of the tundra? hell no. and as long as they don't give it up neither will GM or Ford or Dodge or Nissan cause all of them won't be able to compete if they did.
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Old 01-20-2008, 03:48 PM
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Oh and they need to drop the inline 6 before they drop the V8 if they're worried about gas. especially in SUVs inline 6s are horrible on gas, worse than the V8s. Inline 6s are good for midrange power but that's about it
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Originally Posted by wildpaws
Sorry, no V6 back then, it was an inline six!
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You are correct, my mistake.

To all those who say a 6 cyl won't cut it because of a lack of torque, tell that to the guy driving this:



The number of cylinders does not make the torque, displacement does. Give me a 6 liter straight-6 and I'll show you some torque.
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Old 01-22-2008, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DAKMOR
even if you change rear gears, it doesn't make up for it. Maybe we'll see better transmissions design specifically for V6 engines.
I dunno about that, but when your limited on torque I can see how having a transmission with a few more ratios added in would help.
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Old 01-22-2008, 10:39 PM
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Man people really still read car & drivel.....
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Old 01-23-2008, 09:20 AM
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I think we'll still have V8s. We'll just see more hybrid V8s.
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Old 01-23-2008, 09:54 AM
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long ago, i talked to Scott about an "import beater" built from readily GM Parts.

put a V6 (i think the year 2000 V6 had ~225HP?) and a T56 in a Cavalier with 4:10 gears.

i think that would be a ROCKET. the V6 would make enough HP/TQ for the light weight of a Cavalier,

and the 4:10 gears would ensure the V6 could dig out of the hole, and keep moving on top end to a high MPH

and a M6, well, is just the funnest transmission there is.

i think that would put the import/tuner/ricer world on it's ear.

a light weight RWD car with world class potential

and the aftermarket would go crazy.

who would be the first to twin turbo one?

the inline 6 cylinder Cummins Turbo Diesel in your average dodge pick'em'up makes 325/610 stock,

and with a intake, exhaust, programmer & nitrous, will do 500/1000 all day long.
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Old 01-23-2008, 11:21 AM
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Hmmmmmmmmm. I dont mind the high power V-6 option in a camaro, but that is like finding out that the girl of your dreams had been stuffing her bra and is not the doube Ds you wish you had.
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Old 01-23-2008, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by john storie
long ago, i talked to Scott about an "import beater" built from readily GM Parts.

put a V6 (i think the year 2000 V6 had ~225HP?) and a T56 in a Cavalier with 4:10 gears.

i think that would be a ROCKET.
Already been done... it's called a Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo.

T56 6-speed, turbo 4.0L V6, RWD, sedan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Falcon_XR6_Turbo

Of course this one's over 380hp and a bit larger...
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Hey steve havent see you in a while.
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Old 01-23-2008, 09:10 PM
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long ago, i talked to Scott about an "import beater" built from readily GM Parts.
Already have some for over a year...

2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP - Road Tests
BY DAVE VANDERWERP, PHOTOGRAPHY BY MORGAN J. SEGAL
October 2006 C&D
"This 2007 Solstice, and also the mechanically similar Saturn Sky Red Line, packs a punch of 260 horsepower and 260 pound-feet of torque from a direct-injection turbocharged and intercooled 2.0-liter version of GM’s four-cylinder Ecotec. Yes, the stodgy General is introducing its first gasoline direct-injection turbo at the same time as BMW. Shocked"?
And now the Cobalt SS will join them with a 260hp, turbo 4, from what I understand.....a triple threat!
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Old 01-24-2008, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 90rocz
Already have some for over a year...


And now the Cobalt SS will join them with a 260hp, turbo 4, from what I understand.....a triple threat!
And the HHR SS makes four unless I missed some news. But didn't the FWDs get a slight de-tune (5-15 HP)?

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Old 02-01-2008, 09:25 PM
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The original small block lasted how many years?

So they dropped the luxury DOHC V8, that does not mean they won't invest something into the Northstar maybe Direct Injection, Variable cams, etc.

I think they need to fix how they spend their money. For one, they need to pay some lobbyists to get Universal Health care passed. There is about 1800 per car right there. You can pay your execs millions of dollars each, pay me a few mill and I will go bug the hell out of those bastards. Drop the huge ad campaigns and go for something more unique. Then, they need to lobby the government to sponsor research into inexpensive lighter and stronger materials. Research ways to make new materials like composites or those new "foam" metals less expensive.



A 1983 Ford Escort wagon would get 54 MPG. Look at the weight of that car VS a 2008 Ford Focus. There's your problem.
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Old 02-01-2008, 09:29 PM
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back closer to topic,

My hope is the Camaro will get the 300+ HP V6. My concern is the car will be heavy, making 300 not enough to make it quicker than a 05-09 Mustang GT right off the lot.
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