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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 10:41 AM
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One of my concerns is keeping vehicles within reach cost wise for the consumer.
There are technolgical approaches which help achieve performance goals, be it MPG, or MPH, or handling. Many are quite expensive. Many can result in a lackluster and undersirable vehicle.

I think cars like Camaro have been and are about affordable performance.

If the proposal becomes law it will be what it will be. I just hope that the resulting products will appeal to consumers. Be it performance wise or cost wise.

I also hope some consideration is given by rule makers and politicians on the likely cost to jobs here on the manufacturing side, for the manufacturers or the suppliers, or more importantly to the consumer.

Some things are far easier and cheaper to say than do.
Old Apr 23, 2008 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 1fastdog
One of my concerns is keeping vehicles within reach cost wise for the consumer.
There are technolgical approaches which help achieve performance goals, be it MPG, or MPH, or handling. Many are quite expensive. Many can result in a lackluster and undersirable vehicle.

I think cars like Camaro have been and are about affordable performance.

If the proposal becomes law it will be what it will be. I just hope that the resulting products will appeal to consumers. Be it performance wise or cost wise.
I hope that Camaro has a future in all this. If a business case can be made for the next generation, (6th and beyond), from a survival point of view, at least all of this CAFE legislation will have been 'baked in'.

My bigger concern, I suppose, is for this upcoming Camaro. As an outsider, it seems to me, that this car was designed with the old CAFE rules in mind. I know the way CAFE mpg is measured, is abit looser than EPA mpg, and they will have different mpg goals for vehicle 'footprints', giving larger cars a slight advantage over smaller ones. But even with LOTS of Ecotec Camaros, it's going to be tough for this particular Camaro to remain CAFE nuetral by '11 - and WAY tougher every year after that.

Maybe I'm wrong...

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Old Apr 25, 2008 | 08:50 PM
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, like how about a more fuel effecient B-52 bomber, that thing burns more fuel in a day than I do in probably 10 years.

I'd bet a B-52 could get more accomplished in one day than your car could in 10 years.

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Old Apr 25, 2008 | 10:19 PM
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I'd bet a B-52 could get more accomplished in one day than your car could in 10 years.
The BUFF has whipped it's share of ***..
Old Sep 28, 2009 | 02:44 PM
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So 18 months later, after countless reviews and comparos - what do we think now?
Old Sep 28, 2009 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
So 18 months later, after countless reviews and comparos - what do we think now?
I voted "2008 GT500"... looks like I guessed right. What do I win?
Old Sep 28, 2009 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
So 18 months later, after countless reviews and comparos - what do we think now?
What's going to change? There are two very rowdy corners in this discussion, neither of which are going to budge from 18 months ago.

Originally Posted by jg95z28
I voted "2008 GT500"... looks like I guessed right.
The question was, what should the Z28 benchmark, not what would it benchmark. Thus we give you NOTHING.
Old Sep 28, 2009 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
The question was, what should the Z28 benchmark, not what would it benchmark. Thus we give you NOTHING.
And I answered that earlier in the thread 18 months ago. I searched for the dead horsey smilie, but alas I couldn't find it.
Old Sep 28, 2009 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
What's going to change? There are two very rowdy corners in this discussion, neither of which are going to budge from 18 months ago.


I still can't see why EVERYONE can't have a car they'd want to buy?

Old Sep 28, 2009 | 05:29 PM
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I still can't see why EVERYONE can't have a car they'd want to buy?
IDK maybe because the manufacturers would need to sell enough of each for them to be profitable?
Old Sep 28, 2009 | 05:33 PM
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IDK maybe because the manufacturers would need to sell enough of each for them to be profitable?

You mean like Mustang does?
Old Sep 28, 2009 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
....I searched for the dead horsey smilie, but alas I couldn't find it.
Shamelessly stolen from another website....

Old Sep 28, 2009 | 07:32 PM
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Obviously, the Z/28 should benchmark the 4100 lb Dodge Challenger purely because some bright person said you can't change the laws of physics...
Old Sep 29, 2009 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
You mean like Mustang does?
do you own a mustang or plan on buying one?
Old Sep 29, 2009 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen
do you own a mustang or plan on buying one?
No I don't own a Mustang, but I am watching their developments with interest. I can't help but think that next year's 5.0L Track Pack will be an attractive package.

But what has really captured my imagination are the upcoming GT350 and Boss models. The rumors are that both are being tuned for world class handling. The GT350 from Shelby would have a 400+ hp 3.5L Ecoboost V6, the Boss a higher output, (GDI?) 5.0L. BOTH of these models seem to target enthusiasts like me. It would be a shame if Chevy isn't able to create a REAL Z/28 to compete here, and the next closest thing comes from Ford.



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