A Word about pictures past/present/future....
#46
Its an illusion with the lighting. I see the same pods as in the interior shots of the camoed car.
Last edited by jg95z28; 01-04-2008 at 12:26 PM.
#47
#48
Well, I would say that if the goal was to design a unique and incredibly polarizing interior, mission accomplished.
I'm just not sure that Camaro is the right place to do this. A design theme such as this would be much better served on a niche retro vehicle like the SSR. JMO.
I'm just not sure that Camaro is the right place to do this. A design theme such as this would be much better served on a niche retro vehicle like the SSR. JMO.
You know, the wall flower at the dance is unique and distinctive. Unfortunately she is also very homely, weird and I definetly don't want to dance with her!
#49
I totally accept the fact that the interior pictures are not representative of the final design. They contain cobbled together pieces, place holders, off the shelf parts etc. That not only makes since but is clear from the pictures. I totally believe that this is in no way representative of the fit and finish or of the material selection of the final pieces. I will ultimately reserve final judgment as to whether to purchase based on the final released car as seen at my local dealer. This statement applies regardless of any emotional responses I may have on specific details of the car.
Having said all of that, No one should be surprised that there were negative responses to this picture. The interior on the concept cars was not particularly well received. It was one of the biggest complaints about the car (if not the biggest). The exterior pictures have proven to be very “ true to the concept”. This spy photo of the interior implies that the production interior is to follow a similar path. Some of us feel this is a very bad thing. Some of us were hoping (praying, pleading, begging) for a modern sporty interior. It should be obvious that if we didn’t like the interior as a concept, we are not going to like it in production.
Someday maybe someone can explain how the most researched Camaro ever has moved forward with an interior concept that was disliked by so many that saw it? I mean, I thought the purpose of building the concept cars was to gauge public reaction. What is the point, if the data is ultimately going to be ignored anyway?
I will hold final judgment for the production car, but IF this prototype is any indication of where the interior is going, the predicted 99% approval rate is extremely optimistic.
Having said all of that, No one should be surprised that there were negative responses to this picture. The interior on the concept cars was not particularly well received. It was one of the biggest complaints about the car (if not the biggest). The exterior pictures have proven to be very “ true to the concept”. This spy photo of the interior implies that the production interior is to follow a similar path. Some of us feel this is a very bad thing. Some of us were hoping (praying, pleading, begging) for a modern sporty interior. It should be obvious that if we didn’t like the interior as a concept, we are not going to like it in production.
Someday maybe someone can explain how the most researched Camaro ever has moved forward with an interior concept that was disliked by so many that saw it? I mean, I thought the purpose of building the concept cars was to gauge public reaction. What is the point, if the data is ultimately going to be ignored anyway?
I will hold final judgment for the production car, but IF this prototype is any indication of where the interior is going, the predicted 99% approval rate is extremely optimistic.
#50
Who knows, maybe their focus groups told them most people liked the interior. We will never know.
Just because a bunch of highly passionate "I want to build, design and engineer it myself" enthusiasts don't like it, doesn't mean the rest of the buying public doesn't like it either.
Though, I do understand your point. I am just trying to say we don't know that the actual reaction (in the real world) was.
#51
Let's use an analogy.
This is the Preproduction Eva Longoria
This is the Production Eva Longoria
Eva Longoria may not be to everyone's taste, like the Camaro interior, but in this case it's clear that the same basic design can be improved with a little time and better materials
This is the Preproduction Eva Longoria
This is the Production Eva Longoria
Eva Longoria may not be to everyone's taste, like the Camaro interior, but in this case it's clear that the same basic design can be improved with a little time and better materials
#52
Let's use an analogy.
This is the Preproduction Eva Longoria
This is the Production Eva Longoria
Eva Longoria may not be to everyone's taste, like the Camaro interior, but in this case it's clear that the same basic design can be improved with a little time and better materials
This is the Preproduction Eva Longoria
This is the Production Eva Longoria
Eva Longoria may not be to everyone's taste, like the Camaro interior, but in this case it's clear that the same basic design can be improved with a little time and better materials
Last edited by christianjax; 01-04-2008 at 01:58 PM.
#53
We of course won't know the sucess or failure of the interior until well into the production run. It would be very interesting to see what the feeback was from those outside the company.
#54
i for one will wait and hope. but one thing gm needs to focus on and realize is the driver lives on the inside of the car and thats where he is intimate with the car. design, ergonomics and most of all QUALITY AND RELIABILITY of the interior components are a must. the north american manufacturers are about 5 years behind europe and japan imo in quality fit and finish. my 2001 grand am gt is a pile which was the same to 2005!, cd player broke with 45k kms (28k miles!) seatbelt light flashes no matter what, heater controls failed on the fan settings, seat squeaks, metal bar in the bolster digging into my ****. those things need to stop. tons of hard plastic and creaks. and thats not including all the other problems with the car with no miles. things like that have to be in the past. the mustang is alright in the interior, not too retro but it has the oldschool look ( a little too much imo). camaro should be about the future and the past also, the dual pod guages that look like a mockery of a 69, and the old fashioned guage pods at the console you cant read while driving the tar out of your car, nobody wants that anymore imo, like the holden interior, i love it, like the guages, the cluster etc. if you can have a modern interior with retro ques thats how to do it, not a retro interior with modern ques...
while those are my fears i will wait and see, the interior is the 2nd most important part of the car other then styling, hope you guys pull it off, im rooting for something good, ive waited this long since 2002 ill wait till its done to decide weather to buy a camaro or something else.
while those are my fears i will wait and see, the interior is the 2nd most important part of the car other then styling, hope you guys pull it off, im rooting for something good, ive waited this long since 2002 ill wait till its done to decide weather to buy a camaro or something else.
#55
I guess I'm one of the few that really doesn't mind where the interior design is heading. I look at it and see where "I" can personalize it with body color. I think that would really spiff it up. But other than that, I really don't have anything negative to say about the basic design we see here.
Some suggestions:
Driver selectible color illumination for the gauges, (like on the Mustang)
Body color on trim pieces on the dash and door panals
Navigation option.
#56
Let's use an analogy.
This is the Preproduction Eva Longoria
This is the Production Eva Longoria
Eva Longoria may not be to everyone's taste, like the Camaro interior, but in this case it's clear that the same basic design can be improved with a little time and better materials
This is the Preproduction Eva Longoria
This is the Production Eva Longoria
Eva Longoria may not be to everyone's taste, like the Camaro interior, but in this case it's clear that the same basic design can be improved with a little time and better materials
#57
#59
Thank you, Scott, for the update.
Seems like some kids are getting their undaroos in a bunch over a "streetfighter" Camaro mule. I have no doubt that fit and finish, along with a few changes will come in the production model. I've driven a couple of test cars (not Camaros, I wish), and they truly are fit for Mad Maxx movies. They're screwed together, see a lot of hard miles, and have a lot of improvisations.
That said, the Camaro is an old friend to all of us. Not everyone liked the rectangular steering wheel in the 3rd Gens. There are still spaceship jokes floating around regarding the 93-96 Camaro interior. We accept those things as "quirks" and learned to love them anyway. And with all old friends that return, there are inevitable changes--sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. Who are we to throw out the whole friendship over minor details?
Seems like some kids are getting their undaroos in a bunch over a "streetfighter" Camaro mule. I have no doubt that fit and finish, along with a few changes will come in the production model. I've driven a couple of test cars (not Camaros, I wish), and they truly are fit for Mad Maxx movies. They're screwed together, see a lot of hard miles, and have a lot of improvisations.
That said, the Camaro is an old friend to all of us. Not everyone liked the rectangular steering wheel in the 3rd Gens. There are still spaceship jokes floating around regarding the 93-96 Camaro interior. We accept those things as "quirks" and learned to love them anyway. And with all old friends that return, there are inevitable changes--sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. Who are we to throw out the whole friendship over minor details?
#60
Let's use an analogy.
This is the Preproduction Eva Longoria
This is the Production Eva Longoria
Eva Longoria may not be to everyone's taste, like the Camaro interior, but in this case it's clear that the same basic design can be improved with a little time and better materials
This is the Preproduction Eva Longoria
This is the Production Eva Longoria
Eva Longoria may not be to everyone's taste, like the Camaro interior, but in this case it's clear that the same basic design can be improved with a little time and better materials