How much do you put down on the dyno? Give it up man. A headers/CAI LT1 isn't that fast, I don't care how "not average" your car is. There aren't 40rwhp variances in different peoples motors. You have not convinced one person in this thread that I am aware of that any of your claims are true, because they are likely not, so why do you bother constantly trying to back them up.

Sorry, I have to go. I have to go take out some c6 z06s that are driven by old men that don't get on it, so I can consider it a win.

 

I can remember a GM engineer a long time ago stating that parasitic drivetrain loss through a T56/10 bolt car is more like 12%, and definetly not anywhere near 18. 18% is what many of the automatics have as far as drivetrain loss is concerned.

A stock 350z, rated at 287hp, will put down right around 240rwhp. Pretty much dead on with a stock LT1. That is through an IRS setup as well, and I have heard no one say a 350z is underrated. Pretty sure that if an LT1 was at all underrated, it was by very little, not like how the situation turned out in regards to LS1 power ratings.

*Edit - sorry for all of the posts. I will try to condense it next time.

 

To add to the above:

Even if the LT1 was underrated by a bit, it's really not that big of a deal. Ten horsepower one way or the other isn't going to make much of a difference in a ~275-300 HP car. Even if the LT1 really did produce 300 HP in stock form doesn't really matter as far as this discussion is concerned. The bottom line is that an LT1 F-body is a high, high 13 to mid-low 14 second car on average, and I have no doubt a 300HP V6 fifth-gen could match or come VERY close to matching that. IMO, even if the V6 was a tick slower I bet it would FEEL faster to most of us, due to it's smaller displacement and relative lack of low-end torque. It would be a more "peaky" feeling, which some people like.

As an example, I drove an Audi S6 Avant(wagon) with the 4.2 V8 rated at 340 HP last week. Even though the Audi produces ~30 HP less than my car and weighs more, it felt just as fast at WOT. At part throttle it felt(and probably was) quite a bit slower of course, due to the relative lack of torque. I still liked it though!

 

ZZPs 9 second GTP and GT could very easly be DD'ed (and one was for a while) just slap on some MT DR and your good to go...... you also dont need a chute untill 150MPH witch is like mid-low 9's, you would never know these cars are 9 second cars untill they raped your ***

any who i want to see a boosted V6 come off the line again

 

Yes, I was accounting for both transmission types w/ the 15-18% number, around 15 for the 6spds, up to 18 for the autos. 240 rwhp would be on the low side of stock A4 LT1 dynos. I was being fairly conservative for the average dyno numbers as well, a 6spd hitting below 250 is not very common...

You kinda proved my point there, 240 rwhp is on the low end of stock LT1 dynos, and that's for A4 cars. That would be on the high side for 6spd 350Zs... Even the A4 LT1s typcially dyno closer to 250 rwhp, 6spds nearly always over. So a A4 LT1 puts out numbers around the manual 350z... Check out the LT1 Dyno archive thread on LS1tech and similar threads here.

Definitely not anywhere near the level of underrating that went on w/ the LS1s, but then the difference between the Vette and Fbody LT1 ratings was a whopping 15-25hp, not 40+ as w/ the LS1...

 

I still don't completely buy it, but I have totally discounted it. It would be nice to see some results of an LT1 in full running gear on an engine dyno.

 

If I remember correctly in order to run 9's in IHRA you had two options. Go for your license which means make 3 solo runs with a cage a helmet(Im sure other things Im forgetting) stay in your lane and be observed by a licensed IHRA official. If he liked what he saw you were good. We all had track official shirts but there were only a handful that were actual IHRA officials. Another option a few people did was sandbag close to the traps with the brakes to avoid problems. And of course if you kept playing around hitting 9's you could be thrown out entirely without refund.

M/T arent going to allow you to hook like Slicks would. Alot of people including the track I worked for would have you believe that Dynabyte spray(essentially sprayed glue on the track) would grab better than slicks. They are WRONG! Idealy you want a good set of slicks to run before you and lay down some rubber to grab back at your slicks. If you are the first set of slicks to run, most people are smart enough to lay down the rubber then get out of it. This is an absoloute must for anything 8 sec and faster. I wouldnt chance it though with a 9 sec car. Also a car that runs 9's at the track would not do it on the street. The traction just isnt there. I dont care what your MPH is, you would spin off the line.

 

i dont see the point of your post..... a 9 sec car on the street thats FWD will be able to be controled alot better then a RWD car would..... yeah they wouldn't have the bar on there but soon as the get a grip your f-ed

my car has the same cam in it they are running and its fine on the road i DD my car till a defective valve let loose on me and still plan to DD it after its back up and running

http://migpc.com/multimedia/video/TTGT973.wmv

"ZZP did BETTER with 1/2 the mods and 1/2 the cost with ROOM TO GROW. Thats the real kicker here, stock bottom end, stock differential, probably stock lifters too, what else? the Turbo setup would cost a normal person $4500 or less, then $1750 for a trans (no hard parts, see below) the rest would be supporting mods, heads, a cam, and tuning. AND ITS STREETABLE"

"The car has a ZZP trans with stock dif and no special GM hard parts. Certified builds one hell of a transmission!


The bottom end is totally stock with the exception of XPZ cam.

We did not run with wheelie bars.



The car takes about 1 hour to put it back to a totally streetable driver. Tire change all the way around, stock seats back in, exhaust put back on. Video of just how streetable this car is will be coming soon."

 

Thats what I was saying. Even if the car was 9 sec at the track it wouldnt run 9 sec on the street. the fact that you said "as soon as he gets grip" meant he was slipping which would ruin his time right there.

 

there is not time on the street tho.... just whoever pulls who that trap speed would pull about any car on the road.... thats why if you have alot of HP you race from a roll

 

And to get this thread back to relating to the 5th gen…..

I completely agree with this post.

If the hi-po V6 feels fast, it will sell, the average person isn’t going to run it at the track anyway….

LOL…..the average person is going to drive it around on the street like StLounatic and claim it’s the fastest thing they have ever driven.

Bottom line to GM is that this model feels sporty and comes in at the right price (under the Mustang GT)

 

So it would be ok if the comperable Mustang blew the doors off it as long as it felt fast? If its comming in just under the Mustang GT is a V6 and it only feels fast, you have a flop on your hands! From what Scott said, the V6 sounds promissing, but it has to do more than feel fast. Especially at GT prices...

 

I'm pretty sure I said less than the GT, and I'm sorry I wasn’t specific, I mean thousands less. I'd like to see it base price somewhere around $24.5 in 2009 dollars

A base price GT with no options should be over $27k in 2009…

I don’t think this V6 model is going to blow the doors off the 2009 GT or even get that close. Don’t think the GT will stay at 300 hp for the next 3 years. I do think it will put up similar #'s compared to the LT1 however. And that will feel plenty fast to sell for the market its going into.

I don’t know how it will be a flop based strictly on not being able to beat a GT in a drag race. Mustangs outsold Camaro’s in the last generation and never won a drag race stock for stock.

On top of this you will have a base V8 model (SS) right about the GT in price that will be able to out perform it and with more standard equipment.


So bottom line, yeah I think it would be just fine and successful..

 

If you can buy a V6 with as much hp or more than the V8 vehicle your getting rid of (or your buddy has, etc) then that will be a selling point even if it doesn't perform better. Why? Because in the mind of the consumer hp has been made out to be such a major thing that much like the excuses you hear form the civic guy you just wasted, you'll hear the same from a V6 owner is he get beaten in his high hp V6.

 

Mustangs outselling the Camaro was inspite of Camaros power advantage not because of it. It may not be a Flop if the car wasnt at least close to whatever Mustang was corresponding with the same price but it would be a major disadvantage. So that means if the Camaro V6 didnt compete with the Mustang V6 at the same price range that would be a disavantage for Camaro the same way it was a disadvantage for Mustang against the 4th gen. And yes power was Mustangs biggest disadvantage. Power was one of the few things 4th gen had going for it...

I have a feeling the V6 will have plenty of power to compete though