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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 04:40 PM
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Toyota didn't release HP and Specs on their trucks until a couple weeks before they debuted. If GM had that information 6 months earlier the Silverado may have had the 6.2L and not just the Denali? Just an example.
Old Nov 18, 2007 | 05:28 PM
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In addition to what is stated above, If Chevrolet were to open a two-way dialog with the public, people will assume that everything on their wish lists will come true, and since that is impossible, more people will be let down.

Chevrolet doesn't have to reveal a single piece of information to gather information on making this car great. They read this site every day and hold focus groups, etc. Without a doubt, they know exactly what we want and are going to make this the best Camaro ever.

You might want to read this article:
https://www.camaroz28.com/articles/c...verttestdrive/
Old Nov 18, 2007 | 06:26 PM
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I agree with everyone one here about keeping the main details i.e. engine,tranny,diff,suspension, and interior design along with technology details under wraps until about a month until production.
Now this is what boggles me and really makes me wonder sometimes... The new Camaro debuted in 2006 and will not be on dealer lots until mid jan-early feb 09. One of the most important factors in selling a car is EXTERIOR design. I've already talked with a few guys at FORD and the day that new Camaro concept came about Ford completely abandoned the direction they were going with for 2009 with the Mustang with the exception of the greenhouse.
The car was completely redesigned, bigger hips, shorter overhangs and alot more agressive looking then the S197 now and the only thing that is staying is the greenhouse. So my point is GM your not releasing the crucial details until a month before production...haven't you already released the most important detail for your competition? Also Ford is developing the BOSS OHV engines to compete so the Camaro will not be walking on the new Mustang like it always has performance wise. The 2010 Mustang will have a 3.5 v-6, 5.0 v-8,5.4 v-8 and 6.2 v-8. No more 5 speeds all converted to 6 speed autos/manuals finally!! Along with dual zone, Navigation,Ipod Plug N Play,push button start etc... Then 2011 the new Huntsman Mustang will debut with a brand new chassis and IRS.

So the Camaro has already given the competiton the most important detail and the Mustang will look very close in proportions. Like Ford did with the 03 Mustang concept and followed a year later with the production model GM should of followed suit.
Old Nov 18, 2007 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CamaroZ282008
I agree with everyone one here about keeping the main details i.e. engine,tranny,diff,suspension, and interior design along with technology details under wraps until about a month until production.
Now this is what boggles me and really makes me wonder sometimes... The new Camaro debuted in 2006 and will not be on dealer lots until mid jan-early feb 09. One of the most important factors in selling a car is EXTERIOR design. I've already talked with a few guys at FORD and the day that new Camaro concept came about Ford completely abandoned the direction they were going with for 2009 with the Mustang with the exception of the greenhouse.
The car was completely redesigned, bigger hips, shorter overhangs and alot more agressive looking then the S197 now and the only thing that is staying is the greenhouse. So my point is GM your not releasing the crucial details until a month before production...haven't you already released the most important detail for your competition? Also Ford is developing the BOSS OHV engines to compete so the Camaro will not be walking on the new Mustang like it always has performance wise. The 2010 Mustang will have a 3.5 v-6, 5.0 v-8,5.4 v-8 and 6.2 v-8. No more 5 speeds all converted to 6 speed autos/manuals finally!! Along with dual zone, Navigation,Ipod Plug N Play,push button start etc... Then 2011 the new Huntsman Mustang will debut with a brand new chassis and IRS.

So the Camaro has already given the competiton the most important detail and the Mustang will look very close in proportions. Like Ford did with the 03 Mustang concept and followed a year later with the production model GM should of followed suit.
While true they did show the Concept long before the car was built keep in mind the car was not approved for production and the Camaro team had to sell those at the top on the car. The reaction by the public was what really put this car on track to be built.

You always hate showing your cards or cars in this case. But many times to get those who will commit the tens of millions of dollars to a program they have to be shown the want and or need of the public for a car. You have to make a business case and showing the concept was one part of that.

GM at the time the Camaro was being concieved GMwas expected by many to declare bankruptcy. Those in charge could ill afford to commit large sums of money and resouces to a program that may not pay off. While we have many Camaro fans and the Mustang was selling well the coupe market as a whole was very soft and GM needed a high volume sedan as well as the new pickups.

The bottom line is we are only told and shown what GM wants us to know. Ever since the 4th Gen photos were leaked few things come out of GM by accident anymore. What we are shown or told or hinted at is mostly serving a purpose to provide feedback or sell an idea to GM brass.
Old Nov 19, 2007 | 12:16 AM
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we're not telling you anything cuz we're mean.........


(just kidding)

Go re-read the post that someone reposted above..........

Believe me -- we've been listening to 'you' (and by 'you' ...I mean the Camaro enthusiast community for years -- ) (it isn't a picnic to visit this site sometimes -- way too much grief......but I do it because I'm mining the details......) (and I'm losing what little patience I have left.....)
Old Nov 19, 2007 | 07:51 AM
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Just imagine all that WE as a community already know about the upcoming Camaro... that's ALL information that the competition (FORD) already knows.. and maybe even more. So, the least info that gets out there.. the better for GM... and at the end also for us.

If we know how much the car will weight and how much torque/hp and what type of engine the Camaro will have then you bet FORD will do whatever it can to make sure the mustang will be a bit faster. They already know that GM has the habit to stick the Vette Engine in the Camaro... so... if it is up to me.. i don't want to know anything until it is TOO late for anyone to do anything about it.
Old Nov 19, 2007 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Fbodfather
(and I'm losing what little patience I have left.....)
Oh, c'mon!! ..... the death & rebirth of the Camaro has been several YEARS in the making ..... there's only ~1 more year to go ..... you can do it!!!!!
Old Nov 19, 2007 | 08:06 AM
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I don't understand how getting information earlier is going to make any difference for a car you can't buy for ~18 months. If you're in a hurry to get a car - then get one now from what's out now. But if you are willing to wait, then wait and make your decision when the car comes out.....what's the big deal?
Old Nov 19, 2007 | 08:23 AM
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Then 2011 the new Huntsman Mustang will debut with a brand new chassis and IRS.

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What else have you heard about the "Huntsman" ?

For those not up on the Mustang rumor mill - the Huntsman is the platform for a rumored new smaller Mustang with severely reduced overhangs.

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Old Nov 19, 2007 | 11:09 AM
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Until I see GM Canada's page looking like this image...



I'm going to patiently wait and I will be pleasantly surprised with what we get. It's like the Transformers movie; how many of us knew exactly what would happen before we saw it? Granted movies and cars are completely different things... But the Camaro is in good hands and with people like Scott fighting for everything we as enthusiasts want... What's the old addage? "Have Faith"?
Old Nov 19, 2007 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
What else have you heard about the "Huntsman" ?

For those not up on the Mustang rumor mill - the Huntsman is the platform for a rumored new smaller Mustang with severely reduced overhangs.
As far as the Huntsman Chassis goes you are correct about it being smaller than the S197 currently with reduced overhangs. This will give the 2011 Mustang a more taught and athletic look and reduce the boring rear end the current mustang has now. Right now I'm over on Bradbarnett.net and BON and there is a guy there named sn: IGOR. He's very informative with Ford's upcoming products and knows alot about the new Mustang Huntsman.
So far on those websites he's only mentioned about the new Huntsman and the IRS with the edition of the BOSS engines for 2011. The S197 is a great chassis but with all the safety standards the overall size hinders its performance both weight wise and overall footprint. The IRS will be put into production because of the new competition obviously and Ford will do everything in there power to make sure the Mustang is Americas top pony/muscle car.
Old Nov 19, 2007 | 03:09 PM
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Answer: Because - unlike some women - GM is not a tease.

And Like a woman - I'll wait till she is ready!
Old Nov 19, 2007 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Fbodfather
we're not telling you anything cuz we're mean.........


(just kidding)

Go re-read the post that someone reposted above..........

Believe me -- we've been listening to 'you' (and by 'you' ...I mean the Camaro enthusiast community for years -- ) (it isn't a picnic to visit this site sometimes -- way too much grief......but I do it because I'm mining the details......) (and I'm losing what little patience I have left.....)
I am one of the ones that just thinks that this car is great, the best looking Camaro since 1967 and I will have to have one and I have the faith that GM knows what the competition has to offer and will do there best to be competitive and excede where they can and that is all that I am asking for. If the V-8 car Runs as hard as a 2002 Z28 did it will still be more of a car than the 2008 Mustang GT and Bullet. And this one will have a trunk.

So thank you GM for listening to us and bringing back a car that I have loved since before I could drive.
Old Nov 19, 2007 | 04:07 PM
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I was thinking about this this past weekend... it's BAD ENOUGH the UAW blabbed and posted the "work schedule" for almost every damn GM vehicle and then Motor Trend made an article out of it There's nothing like telling your competition straight up the silverado will be redesigned in 2013 (or whatever year it was). It's in GM's best interest to keep ALL SPECS a secret until about 2 weeks before these babys come out. I can't test drive one until I can get one from a dealer, so what's the big deal? If the car is a disappointment (which I'm sure it won't be ) there's a Ford dealer right across the street.
Old Nov 19, 2007 | 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by Fbodfather:
.....(and I'm losing what little patience I have left.....)
Many of us feel like this too, just not for the same reason..
But we're trying to endure...



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