Build quality. Is it possible for them to get rid of the typical rattles and wind noise without putting the price through the roof. I mean everyone is aware of this, but are the engineers going to do anything about it or does it cost too much? Perhaps it's just designed to go fast and everything else is secondary.

My 98Z runs great, but there's body noise, wind noise, squeeky brakes that I nor mechanics seem to be able to fix (replaced pads, rotors still there). I guess the car is just old, but I could notice it degrading after year 2 (wind noise showed up), then year 3 (rattles).

Do mustangs suffer the same issues? I guess maybe build quality is just a sacrifice that has to be made in this market to hit the right performance/price target.

Until GM proves that they fixed this, I'm staying clear of the 5th gen. Perhaps if they fix this, not one will buy corvettes anymore.

 

The reason you "currently won't buy the 5th gen", is because it's not for sale yet.

The right way to word that would have been something along the lines of "I'm concerned about build quality in the 5th gen" or something like that. You're basing your build quality concern on your '98? That's eleven model years older than the first-year 5th gen. It'd be silly to assume that they've made no progress in that time, especially considering the build quality of GM's most recent offerings.

Have you ridden in any new GM cars that are all-new or have undergone major redesigns since '05? They're a little late to the game, but GM is doing a really good job these days.

Oh yeah, and disc brakes squeak. They just do. Different brakes squeak under different conditions, and your brakes just happen to squeak under a condition that you put them in often enough for it to bother you. My '02 brakes almost never squeak.

 

You current Camaro will be over ten years old by the time the new one is out. Safe to say GM and everyone else have made some improvements in that time.

Of course thats assuming you would rather have a newer, more powerful, more refined car with inevitable some problems over an ageing rattle trap with a lot of problems. Sounds like a big decision.

 

picky picky, I'll be sure to let my wife proof read all my posts, you get the idea.

I just noticed that my old chevy citation form 83 (before it died in 96), my mom's corsica from 93 all had better build quality and fewer minor issues that the camaro is notorious for.

I want to know what GM is doing about this, or will I buy a 5th gen and end up with wind noise and body rattles after 2 or 3 years again. I've only driven newer GM products as rentals so I'll just have to take your word on build quality being better.

My dad was a GM mechanic and brought me up on GM so I'm far from a GM basher, but at this point in life I'm not sure if I want to risk investing in another vehicle I have to constantly work on after 3 years. The one part of my car I do have faith in is the engine, that part has been superb (not counting the water pump).

 

He already told you. You're comparing the new Camaro, that will be on a brand new platform, to a 9 year old Camaro, that was on basically a 17 year old platform.

Newer GM designs are very tight, and very quiet. I'm sure you will be pleased.

 

I wasn't complaining about the grammatical aspect of your word choice. I was complaining because your word choice completely misrepresents your point.

Use whatever words you want. Spell them wrong, leave out punctuation, whatever. Just make sure that the point you're trying to make is the one that comes across.

 

Not to sound like an echo, but I don't understand how you can even make the comparison of your 4th gen to the 5th. The cars are COMPLETELY different from the ground up. It's almost like saying you won't buy a Solstice because your Fiero had poor build quality and you're not sure GM has found a solution to it.

 

Well assuming all the issues I'm concerned about are fixed is roughly the same. Then again since it's completely new, maybe my concern is moot. Obviously, I haven't looked into the car, but if it's built off of a known platform that is good, then I'll believe the quality issues may be resolved. I just worry about GM cutting corners on everything but the engine again.

 

CTS, Corvette, G6 and LuCerne, you have heard of these perhaps?

All of these cars are in a very similiar position to Camaro. Cars that not only are volume builders and need to make a profit, but are image/turn around cars that GMs reputation depend on.

That means they will make the best Camaro they can. So while it wont be flawless, you dont have to worry about obvious and much chagrined issues like rattles and vibration. Nor should you expect any other automaker to produce something worlds better.

 

The 4th gen F-bodies sat on a very old platform and got rediculously little funding from GM. In the late 90's, GM had decided the car was gonna die and hardly any cash flow went towards the f-body twins. Even Scott himself said they had to fight just to get a 35th anniversary gig for the 4th gen. In essence, mgmt at the time was pro-FWD everything and trucks and completely against our favorite car.

However now new guys are running the show and its obvious that Camaro is top priority now that the GMT-900's are out. Its going to have an all new platform and I have a feeling that this time around, Team Camaro is going to get what it wants.

So comparing a 4th gen to a 5th gen is pretty silly. The 4th gen struggled to survive while the 5th gen is getting whatever it needs.

 

Go ride in a new GTO. It will feel a lot like that from the inside, only the 5th gen should be lighter(I hope....).

 

I guess you'll have to wait till '12 or '13 to see if the 5th gen will get any ratlles or maybe windows that won't go up or down. I'm betting there will be way more busted up rear differentials than anything.

 

This is unbelievable. People are making judgements on a car that we haven't even seen a production version of at this point. You are making assumptions, which may have been valid if this was the same f-body platform or the track record has been holding, but we have a complete hiatus. It is a totally new platform and car. This will give time to test, and run correctly. Do you really think that GM is going to dump this think on the market knowing the risk involved? They are taking the time, as I keep seeing pop up every other minute, to make sure it is a great car. Now, maybe I am assuming but given the sense of urgency in the way the company is taking design, interior, and quality I would say they know substandard now means bankrupt. GM can ill afford to put out that type of product, especially with a name like this. Imagine if they didn't put out class leading vehicles with long-standing names like Suburban and Corvette. Lets just wait until we have something in hand before we call it out.

 

I dislike people that start talking about something or busting on something that they have no clue or any type of info on it. Get you Research and info all stright before you post anything else dang. I am 20 years old and i know better then to do this type of BULL ****!

 

and oh yea why in the hell does you 98 have those problems for cause my 86 z28 has no wind noise or rattles at all.