If you are talking about my survey, I think your analysis is way off.

If you've been around here at all, which is obviously not the case, you'd know that to get Camaro enthusiasts to agree on anything is a miracle.

The fact that 81% of respondents gave the car an 8 out of 10 or better and 58% a 9 or 10 is OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE response to the car.

You are entitled to your opinion, but perhaps its not so wise to ASSume that you speak for everyone else, or anyone else for that matter.

 

You see my man, this right here is your problem. You are basing your whole argument on YOUR desires, YOUR opinions and YOUR tastes. Is it quite possible the general public doesn't agree with you? The 4th Gen?

Now I love the 4th Gen, I've had 2 myself, but it was the 4th Gen that didn't "wow" enough people, especially after the first 2 or 3 years as sales slid. Again, you speak as if your word is Camaro law.

The reason 99% of the people on this site may not care for the concept is because enthusiasts have an extremely narrow, specific, and unique view of what the Camaro should look like. It is the same anywhere....there's no way, to this day, 99% of the members at Stangnet like the new Mustang....but that hasn't done anything to hinder its sales...the key is to maximize the reach of a design, appealing to the most enthusiasts you can as well as the general public. Designing Camrys and Accords is cake....no one is passionate about what they look like.

Many people from Chevy have already said the Camaro concept is a bigger hit than the C6 Corvette. Now that's a statement.

 

We can't ALL love the Camaro. What would it spank on the roads if everyone drove a Camaro. So Challenger guy, I'll see you at the red light. I'll smoke that pork.

 

i dont know if u guys understand the word "concept". you guys are saying that the challenger is too heavy and big (which i agree with) and it probably will be smaller. you guys are debating like they are both already out. now as i said in my earlier post in this thread i do like the challenger alot more but the camaro is still cool and all but the front end dont look good imo. there is no way that these will be the exact production cars when and IF they both come out cuz that isnt a gaurentee either. either will be sweet when they come out but i do like the challenger alot more (im a huge chrysler fan btw, and i dont like gm other than the muscle cars).

 

Wouldnt it be funny if Dodge was lieing about Challenger weight? I dont think they are, but that would be sneaky...

 

While I understand your point, realize that the Challenger "concept" looked complete enough to be a pre-production model. I wouldn't bet the farm that the Challenger will be considerably smaller, or much different than what we saw at NAIAS.

 

The poll is a representative sample, as are all polls. It may be skewed but I imagine it would be skewed toward the most diehard fans of the Camaro name. So if the most diehard fans are only 80% on board with the new concept, I'd call that a problem. The average Camaro owner probably won't be as ethusiastic. You following my logic or am I typing too fast?

M

 

the word "concept" applies to the Challenger the same as the word "production" applies to the Camaro concept. in other words they don't (or they do in reverse). its no secret Challenger is on a functional production platform already modified for it. the functional bits are pretty much WYSIWYG. meaning that if it comes out with a small styling change here and there the weight WILL NOT be effected.

as mentioned before, this board is full of people well informed (who keep the rest of us posted) and people who don't easily sway to those that purport to "know" what they are talking about when they really don't.

if you have an opinion, state it; if you have information, pass it on. but check your swag or be prepared to have it checked for you.

 

I agree with your Challenger back end comment.

 

Dodge is talking about offering the Viper engine in the Challenger as well as the Hemi. Look out.

M

 

Where are they "talking" about this? Because the buzz around here was just the opposite of what you were saying. In other words there's a version of "Hemi" in the works to replace the Viper's truck engine. But that was a while ago.

 

Is there an echo in here? This is what I've been saying. The Camaro concept looks like your grandfather's new Cadillac

 

You mean you'll smoke my Challenger with a Viper engine under my hood? Yeh right.

M

 

OK.....by page two, I wanted to douse myself in gasoline and light a match.

I don't mean to flame you.......but I'm quite tired and have been putting in some very long hours.

It's painfully obvious to me that you have no......let me repeat that NO.....experience in customer focus groups or opinion polls. If you did, you'd know that a score of over 60 percent is "knocking it out of the ballpark"

You don't have to like the car. We know that no matter what we do, we will never get everyone to like the car. Fine......it's a free country. We hope the styling will grow on you. If it does not, we can't do a lot about that.

All that said, I don't know who you are, but I question whether or not you actually have a 'stake' in the new Camaro (i.e. your livelihood is based on the success or failure of it....)

Now......OK to voice your opinion, but make sure you know what you're talking about on this site......because if you don't your clock WILL be cleaned.

(another hint......if you have a criticizm of the car......give a workable solution)

Lastly.........have you even SEEN the car in person? Autoweek voted UNANIMOUSLY to give it an award....that's only ever happened once before.

 

Lock this thread and bam mh....that is all.