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arent you going to answer my question?

 

I did in my initial post. They need to at least smooth out the sharp angles. That's what bugs me most. I really like the retro look of the Challenger, as I also stated. They'll need to complete with that and the Mustang, which looks good but I doubt I could bring myself to buy one. No complaints under the hood.

M

 

The "retro look" of the Challenger? You mean the 99% copied "look" of the Challenger.

 

My point is this: if they can't completely sell us on the new Camaro, how can they sell the general public on it? Remember the first time you saw a 4th Gen? I had to have one. I bought one in the second year. Still have it, though it's not my daily driver. It's a weekend cruiser now. I will never sell it. I want Chevy to do that to me and everyone else again. The concept doesn't do that. The Challenger does. By the way, Dodge really missed the boat on the Charger (4 doors?). Another miss: the GTO (makes the 5th Gen Camaro look great!). I do not want Camaro to be another famous miss because it could be fatal to the historic name.

M

 

He dodged all my number questions/statements too. Classic, he can't answer them, so he ignores the questions, pathetic.

The only reason you are being ridiculed by everyone, is because you are stating your opinions as facts, and anything else you state as a fact, you do not back up...with anything.

 

If you don't like it, fair enough. No one will force you to buy it. As for the ratings the car gets on this board... You do realize this board is the MINORITY of Camaro & Firebird owners right? The majority of owners have V6 cars, don't care about this board, and couldn't give a crap about much more than the outside appearance of the car. If GM gets this buyer on board, THEY will guarentee the new Camaro is a success.

Also, to follow up on the comment about those that didn't like the C6 that bought one... I bought a LS1 Camaro and still think the nose could use some work. I wouldn't say I am 100% happy with GM's design, but I guess I liked it enough to buy one

 

While I disagree with your opinion on the 5th gen, I still respect it.

That said…

Your opinion does not answer my question. And it really doesn’t have to because I already know the answer.

Some of the best car designs and concepts are the ones that totally divide the enthusiast and public. You either absolutely love it or hate it. These designs get people to talk about them and end up being the most successful.

The last Mustang Concept a few years ago is a perfecet example.

If you don’t like it…..well that’s ok…as long as you constructively critique it and use more than opinion to back up…well …ummm…your opinion…..
Past that, I honestly would not be worried about the Camaro nameplate or the offerings over a dodge.

Retro is a fad that will be dead with in less than a decade….

I’d really like to see how Dodge evolves its Challenger then…

 

So because you liked the 4th gen when it came out, that meant everyone did? And the same goes for the 5th? If you can't adress the numbers issue I stated (only a fraction of the people here have voted), it's a waste of time even mentioning numbers unless you bring up another poll

 

I think you'd find similar numbers for the 4thgen when it was announced and new, and similar numbers for enthusiasts about the new Mustang. Perhaps even worse numbers. Alot of people didn't like those cars, alot did. You seem to be crazy about them (the 4thgens), and the Camaro ended up dying while they were at the helm. I think it's definitely the right move to go in a somewhat different direction with the new car.

Whatever the "new" design you'll have fans of the previous generation of car who slam and bash the new one for months/years. The most vocal haters on this new one seem to be 4thgen owners who wanted another misproportioned jet of a car, or the occasional 1stgen fan who is mad it's isn't closer to a '69... But I would be willing to bet most will warm up to this new cars attributes.

My opinion is it's a beautiful car, honestly I would be very surprised if most of the people complaining about it don't change their tune pretty quickly when they hit the streets. And I think if it's affordable it will sell quite well. I mean it's got the stuff to be hot, classic lines yet modern design, and proportions that are perfect for a modern pony car.



In the end if you listen to Mr Settlemire, someone clearly in a position to know, this concept has been one of the best received new designs in recent times. That would seem to make your whole point completely off...

 

I saw the Camaro and Challenger in Detroit . Everybody has their own opinion and mine is the Challenger back end looks terrible. The Camaro looked good from every angle.
Dan

 

Maybe they were thinking outside the box, like the others should instead of making nearly exact replicas of the older cars.

If I wanted a '70 Challenger I'd go and buy a resto. If I wanted a 60's Mustang, then I'd buy a resto.

I want a car with muscle car styling cues, but a new, edgier looks.

 

The challenger from the side looks like the old classic. As for the front meh...its ok but the rear is just ugly I cant stand it. Dodge wont get far with it imo. Sure its gona have some good hp ratings from what Dodge says but GM hasnt said anything on the Camaro's possible engine specs and what not. Chevy made a good move with this new Camaro gave it a classic look but at the same time it looks like a brand new car something people will want to buy.

 

I'm not even going to waste my time reading anything in this thread, or read any follow-up posts, so flaming me will be a waste of your time (as your original post was) -the original/first post and this post above demonstrates his level of maturity. Nice job pointing out the obvious in saying that it doesn't look like retro muscle cars though, since it wasn't designed to. You're reaction after the first few posts with a comment like this is uncalled for. You can't expect to make a post like this without any support and a post count of 25 and expect to receive any respect or have anyone jump on board with your opinion.

 

This thread has a 99% approval rating. Case closed.

 

The Challenger is going to be more of a niche product anyway. From the rumors floating around, it'll be a V8-only model around $35K. That's a far cry from the mission of the Camaro and its full lineup. It's like saying the limited production Viper is hurting Corvette. I'd wager you're not too impressed with the successful C6 Corvette either, with its sharp lines and post-1969 styling mixed in with heritage cues.

The Camaro concept as it is (and I've seen it in person btw) has plenty of overt retro cues along its modern, angular lines and muscular stance; the car screams "Camaro" and will have no trouble appealing to the masses according to public reaction. As others have already stated, the Challenger looks 30 years older in comparison. It'll be neat to see the Dodge on the road, just as its neat to see the Mustangs, but I feel GM really took the right approach and hit one out of the park when they had to.

Btw, I'm not sure how much of a reader you are in this forum, but the folks on here are pretty informed and aren't going to listen to tales of doom for their beloved Camaro-in-waiting without some semblance of fact in the reasoning.