Question. Have you driven a GTO? While there are many that hate the design because it isn't retro enough; the GTO is as much fun to drive as a late model Camaro or Mustang. About the only new car I enjoyed driving more than the GTO is the C6.

 

I fear the ghost of Buickman has come back to haunt us gents.

 

I keep waiting for this guy to give us his "plan" for saving the 5th gen from certain doom

 

mh12345, as everyone else has stated, your argument holds no water. You keep on harping about how the public will not like it and it will not sell and its going to be a catastrophe.

Guess what? Have you seen the videos and webcasts of the NAIAS? Camaro won Best in Show and was a huge hit. AKA the public LOVES IT. So much for that argument.

Next, it wont sell. Well, lets see, we have the public's attention and they love the car and want to know when its going to be built. Lutz has said the V6 model is going to be close to $20k starting price and the v8 $30k. That same strategy has sold Ford 180,000 Mustangs. Sounds like a winner to me.

If you do not like the concept, leave it at that, you're allowed to your own opinions of the car. You obviously are in love with the 4th gen and are disappointed it did not follow the 4th gens styling direction. I love my 4th gen as well, but like Guy said, the 4th gen wasn't working and the Camaro needed to deviate from that path and it seems to have worked very well.

But using your dislike for the concept as a basis of your "Its Going to Fail" theory

 

Ok guys.. After reading all this nonsense about the new Camaro will sell, it won't sell, the general public has to like it, blah, blah, blah.

Here is what I did. Everyone here at work knows I'm a car guy. I printed out 3 pictures, The Challenger, Camaro Concept and Mustang. I went around randomly in my office here and asked 20 people if they had a choice to buy either of these cars based on looks alone which one would they buy. The result are here, unscientific but interesting. I tried to get a even mix of men and woman and ages varied.

Take this FWIW.

Out of 20 people asked. the results are as follows.

9 - Challenger
6 - Mustang
5 - Camaro

 

That is interesting...judging by picture alone leaves out a lot though. If you had included pricing, performance, and other info it may have been different.

 

Maybe, The people I polled at my office are far from car people. I don't think they really would care to much about the performance of these car since they all look like they obviously kick some *** on the road. As we know looks are subjective, but it does tell me that the Camaro has to make a few changes before it goes into production. The one thing that really stood out was that most said they didn't like the Camaro because of the frontend, which echos what everyone here has been saying.

Those that picked the Challenger said that is just looked powerful and they like how the lines were smooth flowing as compared to the Camaro.

I just though it was interesting.

 

i am going to stop reading NOW... most pointless thread ever

 

Why is pointless?

 

It's finally getting a little interesting, actually.

That's intresting, and bodes well for the Challenger if Chrysler makes it a GTO level, low/no options $30K car. It shows the car is highly desirable, and therefore likely to sell at levels the GTO was supposed to sell at.

But what's also intresting given that Mustang & Camaro will sell at the same price is that the split is close between the two. Considering that the Mustang outsold the 4th gen Camaro by roughly a 4 to 1 margin (and f-bodies combined by nearly 3 to 1) seems Camaro at a 6 to 5 disadvantage is on the right track.

I also think Camaro's 3 box design would likely pull most of the people who would buy a Challenger if it were price competitive on the low end.

Could be in for the closest Camaro-Mustang sales competition since the 1980s.

 

Retro is the equivalent to lusting after a **** star....looks like fun for a short while, but then you remember that you have to live with her and that beautiful girl next door looks a whole lot like who you'd rather be with for the long haul.

Doesn't surprise me that in today's instant gratification society, that some would choose the "safe" choice of the Challenger in some straw poll....but will they spend their hard earned $$ for something that will look 35 years old in a few months?

The new Camaro will look fresh for a long time to come...it has "reach" as the designers like to say....the Challenger is just a quickie (in more ways than one).

 

Very well put doug and 2 years from now we will really see whats what

 

I think Chevy is on the right track with the Camaro. Remember it is still only a concept. That being said I was at the Auto show on Friday and looked at both the Challanger and Camaro concept. There was a hot chic talking about the Challenger so I went up to the ropes and "listened" to what she was saying. Next I went to the camaro display were a man was giving the demonstration. I couldn't even get close to seeing the car there were so many people around it. The Camaro overcame the lack of a hot chick showing it and had the biggest crowd I saw while I was there.

 

Just what I was thinking.

 

I thought even "public" schools taught children how to form basic arguments. Please, oh please answer the questions directed to you MH128578641651618 or stop wasting peoples' time. Your comments are about as vague as can be. What lines are you talking about? Smoothe them out? They are smoothe. Almost every corner on the car is rounded. No one is saying your views are wrong or inaccurate. Your whole attitude in this thread is just wrong. There is no validity to your argument whatsoever.

How can we go completely different ala Ford GT or blah blah??? You are saying be different like someone else? Did you buy a Starter jacket?

I am not crazy about the nose on the new one. But the *** is perfect, and considering the Mustang and the "Hemi" (haha, new Hemi) will only be seeing the *** of this car, thats all that matters.

The Camaro has been for a long time the baby brother of the Vette. Look at how GM has overrated and overpriced the Vette for so many years, while offering the same package in a different shell, minus a few options, for less than half the price. The same designer that worked on the C6 did the concept for the Camaro. Look at that *** and tell me where it came from. I don't see 69..... I see Vette.

Watch the videos. A single picture can't give a car justice.

I love the earlier 4th gens, but hated the remdesign on the ls1 Camaros. So where would I put my vote if we were doing 4th gens? The 4th gens are the closest thing to a stepchild the Camaro has ever had.