V8 Camaro to be more expensive?
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I can't really shed any light on it with actual numbers, but there must be a reason that GM downsized the power with the same basic displacement as the LS2. Both got about or the same milage, but the LS2 did it with nearly 40 more hp. ? There has to be a financial reason why GM canned the LS2 in favor of the L76.
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That would be nice, but it looks like the L76 is getting all the placement while the LS3 is for now a Vette exclusive. Unless it is in vehicles that I'm not aware of.
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A lot of stuff is wrong with a mid to low 13 second Camaro, considering the 4th gen LS1's broke 12's with good tires 10 years ago. I have no problem paying for an LS3 "option" as long as it comes in under $32K moderately equipped.
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The question seems to be, "How much higher?" I don't think anyone here reasonably expected a V8 under $25,000. Those were rare during the late 4th gen, and that was six years ago (wow, six years). But if we start going higher - lets say above $30,000 for a base V8 - we're in trouble. Even if most people buy the V6, the fact that the V8 is affordable is very important to the Camaro brand and its image of attainable performance.
That said, a hybrid V8 Camaro is a terrific idea, potentially groundbreaking. What a terrific competitor to the Shelby GT. It would make immediately clear which company is accelerating into the future and which is dragging its knuckles.
That said, a hybrid V8 Camaro is a terrific idea, potentially groundbreaking. What a terrific competitor to the Shelby GT. It would make immediately clear which company is accelerating into the future and which is dragging its knuckles.
I was expecting to pay about $32K for a nicely equipped/almost loaded V8. And it better have at least 400 HP, not this L76 BS. If the price of a loaded "base" V8 comes out to be around $38-40K, I hope the car tanks and once again becomes history. That would be nothing short of offensive and a complete punch in the face to what the Camaro stands for.
Again referencing the GTO, I can't see the "top dog" with any less than 400hp but the base V8 may surprise you coming in similar to the G8 range of 361hp 385tq.
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no doubt the Mustang has crept up and will continue to creep up. That is because like stated above the mustang has continued to sell much higher than was expected. The prices have crept up and will continue to do so unless people stop buying them at the current rates.
That does not mean the Mustang price to build has gone up that much. It simply means people bought in volumes, so they added a bit here and there. That also does not mean the Camaro has to cost a few dollars more. If they do come out with a base V8 with cloth interior for 25k, who's to say it simply can't be done? If any company can, it is GM. After all, they have A LOT riding on this car.
We all know they can make one hell of a car and sell it for 28k, but that does not mean it will be best for business or what they SHOULD do. Also, from everything I have heard, the Camaro it s not on a dedicated platform, like the Mustang. If anything that should make it possible to come in under the mustang.
That does not mean the Mustang price to build has gone up that much. It simply means people bought in volumes, so they added a bit here and there. That also does not mean the Camaro has to cost a few dollars more. If they do come out with a base V8 with cloth interior for 25k, who's to say it simply can't be done? If any company can, it is GM. After all, they have A LOT riding on this car.
We all know they can make one hell of a car and sell it for 28k, but that does not mean it will be best for business or what they SHOULD do. Also, from everything I have heard, the Camaro it s not on a dedicated platform, like the Mustang. If anything that should make it possible to come in under the mustang.
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part of the problem with the 4th gen was that it was quite a bit more expensive than the Mustang.
You guys seem to be making excuses for GM for why the car will be more expensive than what I will want to pay for it.
If you are right, I will not buy it. A LOT of other people will be right along with me.
You guys seem to be making excuses for GM for why the car will be more expensive than what I will want to pay for it.
If you are right, I will not buy it. A LOT of other people will be right along with me.
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You guys seem to be making excuses for GM for why the car will be more expensive than what I will want to pay for it.
However if people expect it to be unrealistically priced they will be disappointed.Go to Ford's web site and build the Mustang you would like to be honestly comparable to your Camaro and look at the price.
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part of the problem with the 4th gen was that it was quite a bit more expensive than the Mustang.
You guys seem to be making excuses for GM for why the car will be more expensive than what I will want to pay for it.
If you are right, I will not buy it. A LOT of other people will be right along with me.
You guys seem to be making excuses for GM for why the car will be more expensive than what I will want to pay for it.
If you are right, I will not buy it. A LOT of other people will be right along with me.
base V8? mine 28k
Z-28? mine 34k
SS? mine 38k
Will they even have a base V8 or will the V8 start with the Z-28?
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part of the problem with the 4th gen was that it was quite a bit more expensive than the Mustang.
You guys seem to be making excuses for GM for why the car will be more expensive than what I will want to pay for it.
If you are right, I will not buy it. A LOT of other people will be right along with me.
You guys seem to be making excuses for GM for why the car will be more expensive than what I will want to pay for it.
If you are right, I will not buy it. A LOT of other people will be right along with me.
Second mustang gt in 85 cost 12,500.00, camaro was still out of reach at 17,000.00
Bought a mustang gt convertable in 87 21,700.00, camaro iroc (hardtop) 350tpi 26,500.00.
And my last new pony car to date my 2002 35th ss full load 6 speed retailed for 49,000.00 CD.
What do I expect as a price on the new camaro if I use what I paid for my last chev silverado as an example ( 2008 2500HD LTZ)
If GMC can stick a 74,000.00 msrp on a pickup you figure it out, I definately don't expect to see anything less than 50,000.00 for a nicely equipped V8 car in Canada, I guess I'll know for sure in less than a year.
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It puts Camaro in abit of a predicament.
For one reason or another, after much deliberation, Camaro ended up on Zeta. In the end, the selling point was, that it was an already developed architecture, and Camaro could spread it's costs with several other lines, in a modern assembly plant. Makes sense. Of course, it's possible that now, Camaro will be the only Zeta going down that modern, refurbished, flex line. So, there's that.
The other thing, is Zeta itself. Every Zeta program has struggled with weight. Generally, Zeta is not very CAFE friendly because of that. As long as the status quo remained with CAFE, the wizards at GM Powertrain would have had no trouble keeping hundreds of thousands of Zetas within compliance. But it's a whole new world now. A world where mass is the enemy, like never before. And there's a pretty good chance that Camaro will exceed it's weight target - maybe by alot. And that puts a big fat target on it's back.
My hope is that Camaro makes a HUGE splash when it's released. Every bit as big as Mustang's. GM management needs to see and believe that Camaro is an important integral of the global Chevrolet line up. They NEED to believe this, because I think that this Camaro's days are numbered. And if they don't believe it, really believe it, we won't get the next Camaro.
For one reason or another, after much deliberation, Camaro ended up on Zeta. In the end, the selling point was, that it was an already developed architecture, and Camaro could spread it's costs with several other lines, in a modern assembly plant. Makes sense. Of course, it's possible that now, Camaro will be the only Zeta going down that modern, refurbished, flex line. So, there's that.
The other thing, is Zeta itself. Every Zeta program has struggled with weight. Generally, Zeta is not very CAFE friendly because of that. As long as the status quo remained with CAFE, the wizards at GM Powertrain would have had no trouble keeping hundreds of thousands of Zetas within compliance. But it's a whole new world now. A world where mass is the enemy, like never before. And there's a pretty good chance that Camaro will exceed it's weight target - maybe by alot. And that puts a big fat target on it's back.
My hope is that Camaro makes a HUGE splash when it's released. Every bit as big as Mustang's. GM management needs to see and believe that Camaro is an important integral of the global Chevrolet line up. They NEED to believe this, because I think that this Camaro's days are numbered. And if they don't believe it, really believe it, we won't get the next Camaro.
Agreed. If I were GM I would be lobbying for a grandfather clausethat allows all platforms created prior to 2009 to be exempt from the new CAFE standards until 2030. I would include current V8 architecture in that too. However, all production line platforms designed after 2009 should have to comply with the 2020 standard.
The reason for a grandfathering clause is clear: GM, already struggling against offshore predators, sunk a huge chunk of change into Zeta. It sounds almost anti-GM to pull those CAFE standards out of the hat just as they committed $2.5 billion to the new line.
Needless to say, jobs will be lost, and less money will be around for new platforms if they can't make a profit on Zeta.
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Now that the Mustang will have some stiff competition, shouldn't prices begin to cap off?
At least, I wouldn't expect prices to increase a whole lot.
Do we think the Z28 will fall into GTO price range? (mid-$30's)
If so, the quality and features should be comparable as well...
I would expect the Z28 to have SRT power..LS?..+5 to 10HP.(430hp +)
I think an "affordable" Base Camaro with a V8, should be as accessible as any equiv Mustang if they want to steal some market.
At least, I wouldn't expect prices to increase a whole lot.
Do we think the Z28 will fall into GTO price range? (mid-$30's)
If so, the quality and features should be comparable as well...
I would expect the Z28 to have SRT power..LS?..+5 to 10HP.(430hp +)
I think an "affordable" Base Camaro with a V8, should be as accessible as any equiv Mustang if they want to steal some market.