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Old Mar 27, 2008 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Capn Pete
Thank you! THAT is an answer to the real question 1stls1 is asking ("how" does it work, and thus, how would mods affect the system).

If that's the case, how/why would a camshaft affect anything, really? Under most driving conditions, the lifters would all be pumped up, and the high lift cam would be operating as intended. Under low load, so half of the lifters don't pump up ... big deal?! (no? )

And again, as someone mentioned, if it's a big concern, then just have AFM programmed out when you get the computer tuned to match the mods done anyway (ie: heads/cam).

But please, someone enlighten me if I'm way off base here?!
could be there is some parts/sensors that will rely on vacuum. also, the motormounts are supposed to dampen the vibrations, maybe a bigger cam will noticeably add more vibration in v4 mode. IDK, those are just possibilities, you'll have to wait on the G8 GT crowd I guess to get a better clue.
Old Mar 27, 2008 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by guionM
Great question! Never though about it.

Does Chrysler have any issues with mods to their Hemi w/ DOD?

Not that I've read over at the Charger forum. The biggest obstacle to modding the Hemi is cracking the ECM. "Hal" as we call it, is a tough nut to crack. But things like intake, heads, exhaust have been done to the Hemi's and I've not heard of any MDS related problems.
Old Mar 27, 2008 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Capn Pete
Thank you! THAT is an answer to the real question 1stls1 is asking ("how" does it work, and thus, how would mods affect the system).

If that's the case, how/why would a camshaft affect anything, really? Under most driving conditions, the lifters would all be pumped up, and the high lift cam would be operating as intended. Under low load, so half of the lifters don't pump up ... big deal?! (no? )

And again, as someone mentioned, if it's a big concern, then just have AFM programmed out when you get the computer tuned to match the mods done anyway (ie: heads/cam).

But please, someone enlighten me if I'm way off base here?!
A cam with longer duration and/or higher overlap would probably be okay, but a higher lift cam would not. The collapsible lifters can only absorb so much lift and if the cam has too much then the valve will still open (slightly). The L76 cam already has slightly shorter lobes for the AFM cylinders because the non-AFM spec cam lobes are slightly too tall.

If I were in the biz, I’d be plan on shipping my aftermarket cam with higher ratio rockers. Hell if the stock cam isn’t too bad maybe someone will just sell high ratio rockers without a cam.
Old Mar 27, 2008 | 02:57 PM
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SLP already sold 1.85 rockers a long time ago!
Old Mar 27, 2008 | 04:56 PM
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I don't see a problem on DOD. The key is the computer progaming and there will be many companies that will figure it out.

There should be in about a year after intro the first flash programers out to adjust the car.

They have yet not made a computer they have not cracked yet.

Heck with variable valve timing the possibilities are endless.
Old Mar 27, 2008 | 10:49 PM
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Sorry Big Al, AFM not DOD, I got it. This is what I wanted, to get people to talk about this to hear diff inputs. I know what the basics are as far as shutting down cylenders and all that, but what mods would do to the AFM. Thanks for all the input everybody!
Old Mar 28, 2008 | 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperv6
I don't see a problem on DOD. The key is the computer progaming and there will be many companies that will figure it out.

There should be in about a year after intro the first flash programers out to adjust the car.

They have yet not made a computer they have not cracked yet.

Heck with variable valve timing the possibilities are endless.
They still havent cracked the Dodge LX platform cars and theyve been out for a couple years now.
Old Mar 28, 2008 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by TrickStang37
They still havent cracked the Dodge LX platform cars and theyve been out for a couple years now.
And the ECM for GM's LNF is only half cracked.
Old Apr 5, 2008 | 10:15 PM
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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 09:05 AM
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I've heard that AFM is not on sticks, only autos. If that is the case then no worries.
Old Apr 6, 2008 | 11:54 AM
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The way AFM works.
8 of the lifters in 4 cylinders have a spring loaded pin in them.
When they are being used(accerelation, load, etc)the spring pushes the pin out so the inside of the lifter locks with the outside of the lifter, allowing it to open the valve. When the AFM is active, a solenoid lets oil into the side of the lifter, pushing against the spring loaded pin. Then the inside of the lifter moves independently of the outside, keeping the valves closed.

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