NEWS: GM Reportedly Calls "Game On" For Supercharged 550HP Camaro Z/28
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Z284ever is usually a pretty accurate source...at least w/Camaro info
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A note on price. For those of you who think this is going to be a 50k car, I think you're shooting high. Here's why:
A Cadillac CTS 3.6DI has an MSRP of $38,860.
A Cadillac CTS-V has an MSRP of $58,875.
That's a difference of $20,015 to swap out the 3.6DI for the LSA, plus all of the requisite drivetrain changes, brake, wheel, and tire upgrades -- everything.
Starting with a 1LT (MSRP $23,880) and adding $20,015 brings us to $43,895.
Starting with a 2LT (MSRP $26,875) and adding $20,015 brings us to $46,890.
Based on those figures, I think it's reasonable to assume that the Z28 w/ LSA will have a base MSRP right around 45k (undercutting base Corvette by a few grand). Of course, if you check every option on the list, you'll be able to get over 50k, but that doesn't mean it's fair to call it a 50k car.
And a note on weight: I have heard repeatedly that Camaro's Zeta II architecture is one of the sturdiest automotive structures ever built. For that reason, I'm guessing that Camaro DIV6 -> Camaro LSA will be a smaller weight gain than CTS DIV6 -> CTS LSA, because Zeta won't need as much additional bracing as Sigma did. This is just a guess, and I don't think it's going to make more than 50 pounds difference, but just something to note.
Finally, a note about the name. Whoever said that you can't call it ZL1 because it doesn't have an aluminum big block is being foolish. LS3, L99, and LSA are all aluminum. You're seriously going to claim requirements about the physical size of the block as a good reason to rule out a name?
Did the ZL1 (which was never sold as a production car) have performance or power output numbers even remotely close to what the current SS has (let alone what this Z28 will have)?
A Cadillac CTS 3.6DI has an MSRP of $38,860.
A Cadillac CTS-V has an MSRP of $58,875.
That's a difference of $20,015 to swap out the 3.6DI for the LSA, plus all of the requisite drivetrain changes, brake, wheel, and tire upgrades -- everything.
Starting with a 1LT (MSRP $23,880) and adding $20,015 brings us to $43,895.
Starting with a 2LT (MSRP $26,875) and adding $20,015 brings us to $46,890.
Based on those figures, I think it's reasonable to assume that the Z28 w/ LSA will have a base MSRP right around 45k (undercutting base Corvette by a few grand). Of course, if you check every option on the list, you'll be able to get over 50k, but that doesn't mean it's fair to call it a 50k car.
And a note on weight: I have heard repeatedly that Camaro's Zeta II architecture is one of the sturdiest automotive structures ever built. For that reason, I'm guessing that Camaro DIV6 -> Camaro LSA will be a smaller weight gain than CTS DIV6 -> CTS LSA, because Zeta won't need as much additional bracing as Sigma did. This is just a guess, and I don't think it's going to make more than 50 pounds difference, but just something to note.
Finally, a note about the name. Whoever said that you can't call it ZL1 because it doesn't have an aluminum big block is being foolish. LS3, L99, and LSA are all aluminum. You're seriously going to claim requirements about the physical size of the block as a good reason to rule out a name?
Did the ZL1 (which was never sold as a production car) have performance or power output numbers even remotely close to what the current SS has (let alone what this Z28 will have)?
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Finally, a note about the name. Whoever said that you can't call it ZL1 because it doesn't have an aluminum big block is being foolish. LS3, L99, and LSA are all aluminum. You're seriously going to claim requirements about the physical size of the block as a good reason to rule out a name?
Did the ZL1 (which was never sold as a production car) have performance or power output numbers even remotely close to what the current SS has (let alone what this Z28 will have)?
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Super83Z, Z284ever is allowed to have his opinion of this car, and the Camaro in general, just as much as you are.............. maybe more. Especially considering the time and effort he has taken, with regards to communication with GM and the Camaro team.
You not agreeing with him, is your perogative. It does not, however, make his point any more or less valid.
I, like others, agree with him. The idea of a lightweight, tossable, razor handling Z28, is very appealing............. even if I am not thrilled with the new Camaro's packaging. It would make me cross shop the Camaro, with the Mustang, again............... like I did in 1991.
Having the "its great" crowd, using the 2007-2009 GT500, as an excuse for this car being fabulous, is ridiculous. Especially considering the comments that have come out of this very forum, about the GT500. It was a nose heavy pig of a car, with huge horsepower, and nothing else................ until the new Camaro came out. Then it was a too nose heavy, straightline only, overpriced beast. Now, with a new Z28 set to come out, in a year, this is a great car to benchmark.
The 2010 GT500 corrected many of the problems with the 2007-2009, and the 2011 will address the most glaring........... being weight and weight distribution. So, how many years will it take for GM to do the same with the "new" Z28.
You not agreeing with him, is your perogative. It does not, however, make his point any more or less valid.
I, like others, agree with him. The idea of a lightweight, tossable, razor handling Z28, is very appealing............. even if I am not thrilled with the new Camaro's packaging. It would make me cross shop the Camaro, with the Mustang, again............... like I did in 1991.
Having the "its great" crowd, using the 2007-2009 GT500, as an excuse for this car being fabulous, is ridiculous. Especially considering the comments that have come out of this very forum, about the GT500. It was a nose heavy pig of a car, with huge horsepower, and nothing else................ until the new Camaro came out. Then it was a too nose heavy, straightline only, overpriced beast. Now, with a new Z28 set to come out, in a year, this is a great car to benchmark.
The 2010 GT500 corrected many of the problems with the 2007-2009, and the 2011 will address the most glaring........... being weight and weight distribution. So, how many years will it take for GM to do the same with the "new" Z28.
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I nominate Doug for president of the... ummm... world. 
You've been asked once with no response so I'll ask again.... WTF do you do with your car on the weekends?
I realize this is probably alien to you but some of us actually back our talk with competition.
You've been asked once with no response so I'll ask again.... WTF do you do with your car on the weekends?
I realize this is probably alien to you but some of us actually back our talk with competition.
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Super83Z, Z284ever is allowed to have his opinion of this car, and the Camaro in general, just as much as you are.............. maybe more. Especially considering the time and effort he has taken, with regards to communication with GM and the Camaro team.
You not agreeing with him, is your perogative. It does not, however, make his point any more or less valid.
I, like others, agree with him. The idea of a lightweight, tossable, razor handling Z28, is very appealing............. even if I am not thrilled with the new Camaro's packaging. It would make me cross shop the Camaro, with the Mustang, again............... like I did in 1991.
Having the "its great" crowd, using the 2007-2009 GT500, as an excuse for this car being fabulous, is ridiculous. Especially considering the comments that have come out of this very forum, about the GT500. It was a nose heavy pig of a car, with huge horsepower, and nothing else................ until the new Camaro came out. Then it was a too nose heavy, straightline only, overpriced beast. Now, with a new Z28 set to come out, in a year, this is a great car to benchmark.
The 2010 GT500 corrected many of the problems with the 2007-2009, and the 2011 will address the most glaring........... being weight and weight distribution. So, how many years will it take for GM to do the same with the "new" Z28.
You not agreeing with him, is your perogative. It does not, however, make his point any more or less valid.
I, like others, agree with him. The idea of a lightweight, tossable, razor handling Z28, is very appealing............. even if I am not thrilled with the new Camaro's packaging. It would make me cross shop the Camaro, with the Mustang, again............... like I did in 1991.
Having the "its great" crowd, using the 2007-2009 GT500, as an excuse for this car being fabulous, is ridiculous. Especially considering the comments that have come out of this very forum, about the GT500. It was a nose heavy pig of a car, with huge horsepower, and nothing else................ until the new Camaro came out. Then it was a too nose heavy, straightline only, overpriced beast. Now, with a new Z28 set to come out, in a year, this is a great car to benchmark.
The 2010 GT500 corrected many of the problems with the 2007-2009, and the 2011 will address the most glaring........... being weight and weight distribution. So, how many years will it take for GM to do the same with the "new" Z28.
The problem isn't his opinion or your own. Its the fact that its the same drivel that gets plastered on EVERY thread. We get it you don't like it, wonderful, can you all just go to the corral now?
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We can only hope this will turn into you no longer jumping into every thread crying how this makes it not a Camaro or that makes it not a Z28. Your "hallowed" Z28 name has been tarnished far worse than being the fastest regular production Camaro ever produced. Let's wait and see what the Camaro team churns out, you were even impressed by the SS car.
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Actually I came to this section to get away from the constant b!tching of the 5th in the future vehicle section, then BAM! Here you, Lightninggal and whoever else are here to complain about the same stuff in the future section. Sad days when I have to leave this site to find one that doesn't have the people ragging on it outnumber the people defending it. 
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It would be amusing to go back to 2006-2007 and read all the posts about what a disgusting, embarrassing pig the GT500 is when it first came out. Maybe I'll do that later for my own entertainment.
It would be amusing to go back to 2006-2007 and read all the posts about what a disgusting, embarrassing pig the GT500 is when it first came out. Maybe I'll do that later for my own entertainment.
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Distinguishing features will be a unique bodykit, a slightly raised hood to accommodate the supercharger and intercooler assembly, a new rear spoiler, and custom wheels.
Under the hood is likely to be the Cadillac CTS-V’s supercharged 6.2-liter LSA V-8, complete with six-speed manual (or optional automatic) and 556 horsepower output. In the 4,300lb CTS-V, this combination is good for a 0-60 mph sprint of just 4.1 seconds and a 12.3 second quarter mile time. Factor in the Camaro’s 200 to 300lb lighter kerb weight and the Z28 would likely be completing the 0-60 mph benchmark in less than four seconds and passing the quarter in the very low 12 second bracket.
Combine these performance numbers with the Camaro’s fully independent suspension and stability control, as well as a completely modern chassis based on the Zeta rear-wheel drive architecture, and the modern-day Z28 may be the first Camaro to outgun rival sports cars from Japan and Europe. That is if GM ever builds one.
Under the hood is likely to be the Cadillac CTS-V’s supercharged 6.2-liter LSA V-8, complete with six-speed manual (or optional automatic) and 556 horsepower output. In the 4,300lb CTS-V, this combination is good for a 0-60 mph sprint of just 4.1 seconds and a 12.3 second quarter mile time. Factor in the Camaro’s 200 to 300lb lighter kerb weight and the Z28 would likely be completing the 0-60 mph benchmark in less than four seconds and passing the quarter in the very low 12 second bracket.
Combine these performance numbers with the Camaro’s fully independent suspension and stability control, as well as a completely modern chassis based on the Zeta rear-wheel drive architecture, and the modern-day Z28 may be the first Camaro to outgun rival sports cars from Japan and Europe. That is if GM ever builds one.
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Finally, a note about the name. Whoever said that you can't call it ZL1 because it doesn't have an aluminum big block is being foolish. LS3, L99, and LSA are all aluminum. You're seriously going to claim requirements about the physical size of the block as a good reason to rule out a name? Did the ZL1 (which was never sold as a production car) have performance or power output numbers even remotely close to what the current SS has (let alone what this Z28 will have)?
Did the ZL1 (which was never sold as a production car) have performance or power output numbers even remotely close to what the current SS has (let alone what this Z28 will have)?While I agree that I'd rather have a lighter more aggressive NA Camaro called Z/28, that ship has apparently sailed as GM has already decided to call the LSA Camaro Z/28. Its time to move on people. At least it looks like they're actually going to build the damn thing. Be happy for cripesake.
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While I agree that I'd rather have a lighter more aggressive NA Camaro called Z/28, that ship has apparently sailed as GM has already decided to call the LSA Camaro Z/28. Its time to move on people. At least it looks like they're actually going to build the damn thing. Be happy for cripesake.
I hope to buy one of these 4100lb beasts, and then I'm going to do crazy smoky burnouts past Charlie's house until the secret chemicals in the tire smoke drug him into loving the new Camaro.
