Lets get real about the weight of the Camaro
#31
Yes, the Smart Car weighs 1600lbs. Take 1600 and multiply it by 2.5 since the Camaro is about 2.5x the size guess what you get?? 4,000 wow magic huh. Who would have thought that the smaller the car the less weight. I have actually read articles that say the reason the Smart car gets pretty much the same mileage as the Honda Civic is guess what? Weight.
#32
Oh it must be because that comment made about as much sense as the picture...
some people have no concept of reality..
Edit - fixed pic.. linking was screwed...
Last edited by diarmadhi; 08-04-2008 at 11:19 PM.
#34
That's about the same as an early 80s Civic, which is a much larger car.
#35
I'm not comparing the Camaro to the current Mustang, but to the 400hp 5.0 6 speed coming out in the new model. Ford is working hard to get 100 pounds out of it and if it comes in at 3500, Camaro owners are going to need a shot of nitrous oxide to keep up with it.
#37
I suspect the new model Mustang will gain some weight. Only time will tell but because the manufactuers need to constantly improve the safety I suspect the new Mustang will gain some weight. Also they will need to beef it up for more HP. Wanna guess the weight of the GT500?? 3920lbs !!
#38
I suspect the new model Mustang will gain some weight. Only time will tell but because the manufactuers need to constantly improve the safety I suspect the new Mustang will gain some weight. Also they will need to beef it up for more HP. Wanna guess the weight of the GT500?? 3920lbs !!
#39
If that DOES make sense to you, there is absolutely no point in arguing with you about it because you clearly have no concept of reality. The same thing applies if you HONESTLY believe GM made this car heavy for no reason. Then again, you ARE the one who compared the SS to a $72,000 Z06.
Thing is, we DO understand that. We ALL KNOW it's not a good thing. Guess what? Knowing something is a bad thing doesn't change it. I know gas prices going up is bad, doesn't change a thing.
The problem is that some people complain that it could have been lighter, people try using logic on them to no avail, then after Scott explains why it's so heavy (safety, features, mandating the use of the zeta platform, keeping it as close looking as possible to the concept, and most importantly and also the one most of the complainers never seem to consider, even after it's pointed out, cost) people scream BS and start spouting off again about how they aren't gonna buy one cause it's too heavy. So don't. We don't care. Really, we don't.
And when those of us who have accepted the weight for what it is don't run around like it's the armageddon, some people act as if their only purpose in life is to show us the one true way.
#42
The problem is that some people complain that it could have been lighter, people try using logic on them to no avail, then after Scott explains why it's so heavy (safety, features, mandating the use of the zeta platform, keeping it as close looking as possible to the concept, and most importantly and also the one most of the complainers never seem to consider, even after it's pointed out, cost)
They should have allowed more time with Kappa to make it a multi-car platform.
people scream BS and start spouting off again about how they aren't gonna buy one cause it's too heavy. So don't. We don't care. Really, we don't.
And when those of us who have accepted the weight for what it is don't run around like it's the armageddon, some people act as if their only purpose in life is to show us the one true way.
#44
The larger, heavier and more powerful engine in the 2011 Mustang will weigh more and so will its supporting equipment like cooling.
The ~100hp more powerful engine will likely require a larger, heavier, stronger driveshaft. The 6-speed transmission will weigh more than the current 5-speed tranny. Ford will want to maintain traction while keeping up with the appearance trends of its competitors, so look for 18 to 20" wheels with wider tires, again more weight. When you accelerate faster, you have to stop faster, plus you need to fill the void behind those huge wheels, so look for bigger, better, heavier brakes. Then there is vehicle content. If Ford is going to keep up with GM and offer higher content, it is going to add weight.
Now, the GT500 gets extra chassis stiffening at 500hp, will the Mustang GT get the same or similar at 400hp?
One way to look at it: A GT500 weighs 3850 without the Mach 1 stereo, subtract about 100 pounds going from the iron 5.4 to the aluminum 5.0L and maybe another 100 pounds for the supercharger, intercooler, and related components. That would be 3,650 and I could even see Ford getting it down to 3,600 (of course sacrifices will be made) but this 3,500 pound talk is wishful thinking.
Another thing you have to ask yourself, is Ford really going to take the Mustang from the budget pony car to a more modern muscle car and up it 100hp in one leap!?! And if so, what will that do to the price of the car. If a Mustang GT costs $30k+ when you can get a higher content Camaro SS with IRS and more horsepower for the same price, it will be a very different battle than in the past. Believe it or not, many of the buyers of these cars do not even look at the curb weight or even know what it is!