Let's not forget that Zeta is supposed to have at least three wheelbases.

I thought that I had heard that the Camaro Concept was somewhat longer than the short WB Zeta, and required a slightly longer wheelbase, requiring some modification...but I can't be 100% certian IF they were talking about the donor chassis to the concept or the final production model. Sorry for the confusion.

I'm not sure what the short wheelbase Zeta is scheduled to be lengthwise....but that would certianly be a place to start investigating.

I certianly think that once the WB's are established, that's what we'll get....unless someone can determine IF the WB's are infinately variable (which I would seriously doubt).

 

They'll have specific wheelbases for each application they use zeta for. We know two for sure...... G8 and Camaro.

Three is probably about right, but who knows.

 

LOL I thought it good for Scott to know that not everyone here wets their bed over every little rumor or speculation.

 

Guys,

Charlie is a great guy with boatloads of enthusism and sweats the small stuff like no-one's business.

Personally I think the ship has already sailed as far as engineering input from enthusiasts and we can discuss the merits of any rumor of compromise ad nauseum...but until we see a production model, we're just spinning our wheels....give's us something to do though.....

Don't over-read emotion into Charlie's posts...he works real hard to be accurate and sometimes rumors are too big to pass up....he's on our side here.

 

Thanks for the kind words Doug. I also think that architecturally, what ever is gonna happen, is already a done deal.

 

Though like everything else, this statement is just speculation, we can certainly agree on it.

Bob

 

Very good post.

For the record, no one should be embarrassed about me reading the thread. I have broad shoulders and the skin is getting thicker.

Now... -- the title of this thread is "I'm feeling pretty disappointed" -- or something like that. And I simply posted some facts that I wish a certain person would believe.

I guess I just want to see harmony on this and other sites rather than bickering.......and yes, my temper is short these days, so I suppose I'm just as guilty as anyone....

Autoweek can publish 'facts' until the cows come home - but remember that they do not sit in any of our meetings -- and we all know that misinformation is much more prevalent than good information. Their 'facts' are many times wrong.....when it comes to Camaro.

Anyone expecting to see a 3,000 pound Camaro at a Mustang price will be disappointed when they put it on the scale. That just ain't gonna happen for many reasons -- one of which is cost. The other is safety. It would be suicide to produce this car without 5 star crashworthiness ratings all around. To get a 5 star rating is going to add weight. That said -- the engineering isn't finished! The Chief Engineer -- not Autoweek --THE CHIEF ENGINEER.... assures me -- and Chaz -- that weight --or lack thereof -- is hugely important and lightness is taking a precedence. But that precedence has limits. You can't make the car out of titanium and expect to bring it in at a Camaro price.

Now......all that said........I've been around these cars for a lot of years. And I'm here to tell you that I've never -- ever -- seen the positive -- make that rabid -- response that this car has received. The car by any standard is a runaway hit. It continues to win awards....it's on the cover of many magazines - and nearly every auto show program/magazine. It draws crowds like none of us have ever seen ----

so......iwhen the car comes out -- and you've driven it...and you're disappointed cuz of the weight because it's north of 3,300 pounds -- I'm sorry -- but I won't apologize as long as it sells in numbers...and I think it will.

Meanwhile -- please -- you can carry on all you want about the weight -- I just don't quite understand why........'cuz you see......

YOU ARE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR!!!!

 

........by the way -- speaking of "preaching to the choir" -- did I mention that I love to road race? Did I mention that the Camaro is my lifelong passion? Did I mention that the Camaro has to be best in class? Did I mention that the Camaro has to put cars costing two/three times as much to shame?

(and did I mention that the 4th gen Camaro SS did that????)

 

Jeezoo...

Couple of nice posts by Fbod.

Okay, I get it - Houlihan has his eye on weight. Tell him to keep the other eye on size.

 

Point taken. I just have a short fuse when I hear the Camaro is a straight line car. My work is 60 miles away, not 1/4 mile. I want to have a little fun with spirited driving against the guy in the BMW. Every chase scene is a road race. Drag cars can only be enjoyed in short burst at a huge hit to your wallet. While its fun once in a while its not the norm for me personally.

 

I don't think anybody is expecting 3300 lbs (as much as I'd love to see it), and 3000 lbs is a silly number to even throw out there. In the end, and as has been said many times, we'll just have to wait and see.

FWIW....I'm not happy with the weight of the S197 Mustang (the GT500 is a graphic illustration of how big HP can be really hurt by big weight), and you'd be hard pressed not to call the new Mustang a success.

We shall see. Till then, color me skeptical - vocally so, on occasion.

Bob

 

We have the same wants in cars.

 

Dang why does that Fbodyfather guy always mess up a good fight!

Hmm.... whats left, we've bickered about weight, wheelbase, overall length, engine, trans.. GM no longer needs a product clinic they have all they need on this board.

OK I'll be disappointed if the Camaro doesnt come to market with a strong V8, stunning concept like looks, class leading curb weight, room for golf clubs and 8 way power passenger seats.... YEA thats it if the Camaro doesn't have 8 way power passenger seats I'm going straignt to Dodge for a Challenger!

 

Because he's the "FbodFather"... and unless you want to end up at the bottom of Lake Michigan wearing cement sneakers, you had better heed his words of wisdom.

 

and then there is..................



..........THE DREADED BLACK SUBURBAN........