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View Poll Results: All things being equal, which would you buy in 2011
4,000 lbs Camaro
108
65.45%
3,500 lbs Mustang
23
13.94%
I'd buy something else.
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20.61%
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by teal98
So it's back on again? Hopefully it stays on.

Are you still sure that you want a V8 on this platform? Would they design two variations, such that the I4 and V6 versions don't carry the extra weight for the V8 variant?
Supposedly, the first ones will be out in '11 or '12.

Would I want a V8 if a 6th gen Camaro were based on this? Hell yes.

Look at the tear up which GM did on the Commodore to get the Camaro. I think Alpha would require a much smaller tear up to package a V8, if that's where Camaro starts.

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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 10:27 AM
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The funny thing is about the whole weight question.....there's one very prominent member of this board who could resolve this once and for all, and he's mysteriously absent from this thread. I'm wondering if it's because he would be giving a lot of us an answer we don't want to hear, or he just wants to keep us all in suspense and laugh at our "bickering"?
Old Apr 8, 2008 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by onebadponcho
The funny thing is about the whole weight question.....there's one very prominent member of this board who could resolve this once and for all, and he's mysteriously absent from this thread. I'm wondering if it's because he would be giving a lot of us an answer we don't want to hear, or he just wants to keep us all in suspense and laugh at our "bickering"?
I would not say anything if I were him. There's little to be gained by releasing a number. Besides which, I think we've mostly moved beyond guessing where it will be and are now talking about what we like or don't like. And releasing a final number wouldn't do anything for that.

Finally, the actual weight will vary quite a bit depending on equipment. Look at the G8, which is quoted as being 3995 with the V8, but is more like 4100 on the prototypes that the magazines tested (with premium and sport packages + moonroof).
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by onebadponcho
there's one very prominent member of this board who could resolve this once and for all
Assuming you're talking about Scott... I'll bet that even he doesn't know exactly how much it's going to weigh yet. As we've heard already, the interior isn't finished. All of the current preproduction cars have tons of test gear strapped to them, too. I'm sure Scott has a reasonably good idea what the car is going to weigh, but I'll bet he'd still have to give a ~100lb range at this point.

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Your error is still interpretting dealbreaker as a pure threshold. i.e.
No.

Your (and his) error was in using the word "dealbreaker" in any manner other than as a pure threshold, because that's what it is.

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Allowing for a continuum of emotion below the threshold makes a lot more sense then the simple way you interpretted his statement.
Seriously, you still don't understand.

The whole problem I have is that GMRULZ didn't allow for a "continuum of emotion" in his original phrasing. His original phrase ("3750+ is a dealbreaker") is overly simple.

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I liked the earlier question of, do you flip out on people if you ask them what time it is and they say 9:30 and it's really 9:23...
That's rounding, which is entirely unrelated. See post #269.

I really don't want to argue about this anymore. I've made my point repeatedly. If you don't get it, you'll just have to resolve yourself to the fact that I'm smarter than you are.
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 07:28 AM
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Assuming you're talking about Scott... I'll bet that even he doesn't know exactly how much it's going to weigh yet. As we've heard already, the interior isn't finished. All of the current preproduction cars have tons of test gear strapped to them, too. I'm sure Scott has a reasonably good idea what the car is going to weigh, but I'll bet he'd still have to give a ~100lb range at this point.
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Look at the G8, which is quoted as being 3995 with the V8, but is more like 4100 on the prototypes that the magazines tested (with premium and sport packages + moonroof).
OK, so that's a much better "ballpark figure" than speculating a number between 3200-4000lbs, right?

By the way, my vote was "buy something else". If the Camaro is 2 tons, one might as well get the G8 with 2 extra doors and more passenger/trunk space.

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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by onebadponcho
OK, so that's a much better "ballpark figure" than speculating a number between 3200-4000lbs, right?
I suppose that something along the lines of 3600-3700 would be a lot better than 3200-4000.

Regardless, I don't think Scott is at liberty to reveal anything about the weight of the car.
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by teal98
Finally, the actual weight will vary quite a bit depending on equipment.
That's a safe bet.
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 09:30 AM
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That's a safe bet.
I'd go so far as to call it a fact.
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 01:19 PM
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First, the mustang weight should be 0 (should not exist). Second I would buy the 4,000lb camaro and loose some personal body weight (maybe wear some running shoes rather than my boots, no underwear, ect....). This trend is OCD.
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by onebadponcho
By the way, my vote was "buy something else". If the Camaro is 2 tons, one might as well get the G8 with 2 extra doors and more passenger/trunk space.

I would concur. I'm one of those who needs to see some advantage to losing two doors, because an extra pair is pretty handy, now that remote locking is universal. The only advantage to two doors is that it's easy to throw stuff in the back seat and then get in.
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 11:45 PM
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OCD.
None of that in this thread that I can see....
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mpilarZ281992
First, the mustang weight should be 0 (should not exist). Second I would buy the 4,000lb camaro and loose some personal body weight (maybe wear some running shoes rather than my boots, no underwear, ect....). This trend is OCD.
No more OCD than wanting a bunch of pointless **** that you'll never use packed into a vehicle.

Are middle aged people who decide after 20 years of post-highschool weight creep to go to the gym and do something about it all OCD too? Cuz that's the exact same situation....slow, steady weight gain in the auto industry. Eventually you do need to do something about it....
Old Apr 10, 2008 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by mpilarZ281992
First, the mustang weight should be 0 (should not exist). Second I would buy the 4,000lb camaro and loose some personal body weight (maybe wear some running shoes rather than my boots, no underwear, ect....). This trend is OCD.
If you buy a 4,000 pound Camaro, wearing your underwear or going commando, will still leave you with a 4,000 pound Camaro.
Old Apr 10, 2008 | 10:15 AM
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Can we stop all the discussion on weight for now? (Since we really don't know squat.) Isn't there anything else we can talk about?

I'm getting tired of reading about Charlie's weight problem every time I visit this website.

It's giving me a headache!
Old Apr 10, 2008 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
Can we stop all the discussion on weight for now? (Since we really don't know squat.) Isn't there anything else we can talk about?

I'm getting tired of reading about Charlie's weight problem every time I visit this website.

It's giving me a headache!
Sure, jg. Start a thread about something.



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