Makes perfect sense to me.

And I'll bet that the "issues that people had with the 4th gen" are probably not issues that people complaining about weight had. Or perhaps they think that taking care of those doesn't add weight.

 

And that's why I sound a little 'angry'. Some of you people really don't know what's good for you. You don't have a Camaro (yet!) but the way some of you carry on... you don't want one!

It's a shame some of you 'experts' haven't driven a G8 in anger. If you did you'd know how good it is and how much better the Camaro would be!

 

Maybe I'm no expert, but I have driven a G8 in anger. It's nice. It has a strong motor. It's chassis is well balanced. But it's a big hefty mother of a car. Turn the wheel and you feel every ounce of it. Just fine for a fullsized, 4 door, sedan. But for a Camaro.......

 

Wasn't your 1989 Camaro a heavyweight in its day? Wasn't it quite a bit heavier than a Celebrity, and about the same as the then-new W-body?

 

Oh really? I disagree entirely. The G8 belies its weight in handling, I would have thought?

One of us must be wrong.

Given the GM engineer who claimed Camaro left the lighter, more nimble, Mustang behind... I dare say it doesn't behave like a hefty vehicle.

And what are you basing your opinion on? Because it sounds totally subjective and not measured against a stopwatch? Do you have any comparative circuit times to prove your judgemental claims?

 

The real problem is people are VERY anxious now that we've been givin a taste essentially. The weight issue is so old, played out and over with. In todays market, cars in general are heavier period. GM could of built a 5th Gen. without a bunch of airbags, thrown a SRA on it, and cleaned shop without the neat features like the Awesome interior, Engine choices and packages...but they diden't half A&* it.

GM built the 5th Gen. with the intention to please a much more vast audience than the 1/4 mile freak, autocross junkie and roadcourse racer. Like the Mustang the Camaro has always shared platforms, it has always been an affordable 2+2 Pony/Muscle/Sports car. If GM wanted to build an extreme Modern Muscle car out of the 5th gen. they could of. But, with a vehicle like the Camaro you need to maintain volume in order to keep the car on track and selling. Price is key and 3500lbs-550hp-and a bone jaring ride for $45k plus surely wasent GM's initial intention with the launch of the 5th gen. Maybe later....

Im just proud GM stepped up and built a truly world class car, instead of just bs'ing it to a degree like another company. When the Magazine reviews surface, theres no doubt who will be number 1.

Quick question for Scott. The Camaro Website looks great, very informative and interactive. Would you happen to know if GM will put any real life pictures of the SS/RS/V-6 model on the website anytime soon? I'd like to see how that Cyber Gray, Black or White looks on the actual car in a photo and or video. That color feature, though very helpful, just doesn't seem to truly let the colors pop or show what the colors really appear like on the production car. Thanks for all you've done with the Camaro program. Now I just need to graduate college and get that 5th gen.

 

I would say he is dead on. Its not a Pony car anymore. I could careless what a magazine/engineer says, you cannot change the laws of physics. The Shelby 350 will walk all over this car in the handling department.

 

What's a Shelby 350? I remember the GT350 from the '60s.

There's the current Shelby GT Mustang.

Or are you talking about a 2010 or 2011 model?

 

If I recall correctly, my IROC always had a 200 pound weight disadvantage compared to Fox body Mustangs. Camaro has never been a light, nimble car. While the original Z28 was made to go Trans Am racing, and was a lighter weight car, every Z28 subsequent to Gen I did not have that focus.

Early 1LE cars came close in spirit to the early Z/28s, but that's about it.

I look forward to the S/C Z28.

But dammit, I HATE the speedo font and center stack.

 

Hey, you asked. I answered. My 200-300 pounds lighter CTS felt like a freakin' racecar when I hopped into it after driving the G8. You may not like my answer, but there it is. The G8 is a nice car, but don't exaggerate it's capabilities.

 

The new Shelby GT Mustang is what I am talking about. I thought they called it the GT 350

 

So you're basically saying you don't know what you are talking about.

This thread is about "Getting a grip", dude...

 

Lol, I'd love to beat on a G8, but sadly I don't think anbody would loan me one for my regular test venue

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I suspect the F5 will feel lighter on its feet compared to the previous gen Camaros and current/previous Mustangs. Several media types have commented on the Challenger feeling this way in comparison to the Mustang and if the Camaro sports a better chassis than the Challenger as well as being a bit lighter it should hold true.

 

The new (05 to current) Mustang (pick the flavor!) can't hold a candle to the Camaro on a road course.

Mustang hasn't able to hang with Camaro on a road course since the 1980s.

On a side note...Im happy to be able to trash talk again after all these years.

 

If a GT350 is made, it will almost certainly be made in comparatively low volume and be priced accordingly. (even if only because of severe dealer markups)