Well Pacer, Are you upset it won't spank a 4th gen, cause it won't.

If you panties are soooooo in a bunch go get a z06. Is that light enough for you ?

They make a sauce for all tastes, maybe time you try a new one ?

Also I mention the hatin b/c go read another board, lots o haters out there.

I respect your debate against the weight, and your arguments are sound. I would have loved it to shed 200lbs too.But it is not, but it is 422 hp and a 6 speed so I have to like it.

Now I kissed your butt enough......smoooooooch

 

There's still hope there. FBF says the numbers are going to improve. I place my trust in him there.

That being said, bolting 50hp onto a 3500 lbs. car is a whole lot more effective than bolting 50hp onto a 3900 lbs. car...


GM should have predicted the reaction.

I think, if I am reading the cards right, they probably did.

The way I'm seeing the cards right now, getting down to 3860 lbs. required Herculean efforts on their part.


Oh...

Man...

Don't go there bro.

 

Pacer, been reading your other post bro !! You are right on !! specially your debates with Guy.


Keep up the good work, I learn alot from your posts believe it or not.

 

Look I don't care about your ranting. You are a plain whiner and acting like a fool.

No matter how much more you care to debate the weight issue... its been done to death already... but it that seems no reasoning from GM folks can quell your childish antics.

You may be here longer than I, you might be acting like you one of the best racers in the country... but you sure as hell show a lack of maturity, understanding and acceptance of the 5th Gen.

Get a grip!!!

 

Uh...some of you guys need to put the tape measures away and take your trying to impress each other to private e-mail.

 

My apologies, JasonD.

All I want is for people to at least drive the car before arriving at (possibly incorrect) conclusions. Somehow, this thread turned into personal issues that have nothing to do with the imminent arrival of the 5th Gen... I'm stating the bleeding obvious that we should be celebrating the moment, not bickering... or rehashing old topics. Pretty much what the threads about.

Over and out (for now)!

 

...and you are assuming (at least based on the above) that they are the same car -- they are not. There are substantial differences -- believe me, we could have saved a FORTUNE by keeping the G8 suspension (esp. the front suspension) -- but it would have compromised the car --

 

Dear GOD I just ran thru all ten pages..........


..........wow..................


I know PacerX and I respect the heck out of him.

But I also know "Dr. Heinricy" --

I know someone on here that thinks (and has stated on more than one occasion) that the 4th gen cars were an 'embarrassment' ...

Lots of opinions.

Lots of passion.

Lots of tempers.

NO DRIVING EXPERIENCE BEHIND THE WHEEL OF A 5TH GEN..............



So -- we all know that some of you want a light Camaro -- some as light as 3,300 pounds.

But -- and here's the stickler -- it appears that no one has 'skin' in this game -- and so IF you are wrong -- you can still go about your business....and there is no real 'risk' -- so to speak.

There are others who DO have 'skin' in the game -- and we have to answer to a lot of people.

Would I like a 3,300 pound Camaro that offers everything that this 5th gen will offer? BOY HOWDY.............


..............I'd ALSO like to go back to being -- oh -- I dunno -- about 26 years of age -- but - that ain't gonna happen.

If you SERIOUSLY believe that we can bring you a 3,500 pound Camaro -- with what this car offers --and bring it in at a CAMARO price..... you are -- forgive me - smoking something.

The car must sell a certain number each year to make the business case -- and from EVERYTHING I've seen -- a car that Charlie wants won't get us there...that's the sad fact.

So -- let's all calm down.

Let's chill a bit.

Let's consider that we may ALL be wrong here............


I mean -- what happens if you get behind the wheel of one of these "pigs" (your word, not mine) and ACTUALLY find a GRIN on your face????


Now -- a prediction: there will be a few that even if the car blows them away -- will not be able to say "great job" -- and to me, that's just sad.......


Now -- back to the games!

 

Sir, I most assuredly have "skin" in this game.

This car fails, and my employer is going to get hurt, badly. Right after that, the pink slips start flying. We've got a whole heck of a lot riding on this.



And that's the guy to listen to where performance is concerned, that's for 100% sure.




.

 

Explain why to me.

Certainly a smaller, lighter, car would be more CAFE friendly, could be marketed with higher mpg numbers, and would make most enthusiasts happier. It also has the potential to share it's architecture with other relevant and marketable programs, ie., sporty, fuel efficient, sedans, wagons, convertibles.

Seems like a win/win to me.

 

While I am not Scott, nor do I work in the industry, I would guess becuase it was cheaper to modify existing architecture than it was to create an entirely new to underpin this range of new cars? Not arguing with you Charlie, just throwing out a guess.
I admit, I wish the car were lighter(mainly for greater return in performance given the LS3 and gas mileage), but I have to say that I like what I see enough, that unless it totally fails the test drive, or the build quality sucks (both of which I doubt, but concede COULD happen) I will end up buying one. I also admit, this is going to be a weekend cruiser/toy/money pit and the only track usage it will see will be the occasional drag pass, and since I don't street race (though occasionally I have been guilty of internet racing) I believe the car WILL be quite an enjoyable ride for me.

 

I don't think a Camaro that you want is different than the Camaro that any of us enthusiasts want. Lighter and more powerful are better. I just don't think GM had/has a platform ready and affordable enough to base a Camaro on to fit that bill. So we either get a heavier but more content loaded Camaro or none at all.

 

I have -- several times in person --

I just don't think you want to hear it............

 

Did you read his other posts?

As in start working on this today for release in 5 years or go back in time and start this 5 years ago? What's the context?

 

If you can't do it, I might as well give up.