Finally seen a 5th Gen at an autox and.....
07-30-2009, 10:20 PM
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The Camaro was out again last weekend. This time he was up against an FS 05 GTO on street tires. The GTO got him by about 7 tenths. I can tell he is still trying to figure the car out and he was much smoother this weekend. The car is a rocket ship out of the hole. One part of the course we had a small straight away and everyone said he was way quicker out of the whole than my ESP 4th gen. In my defense I do have a blown T2R and will hopefully be getting it changed next week.
07-31-2009, 11:59 AM
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The high bias version of Torsen's T2 limited slip diff.
At one time it was the diff to have because they were supposed to last a long time, if not forever. They also had a heavier case (at one time).
Problem is that Torsen got bought out by somebody around 2004 IIRC (right about the time I bought mine
). As Brian, myself and many others have discovered, it seems that the diffs made from that point on don't last as long. Additionally they've even recently reverted back to using the lighter OEM style case.
The fried T2R in my car is also getting replaced. In my case it will be replaced by a carbon clutched Eaton next month. Because the last swap was so much fun....
At one time it was the diff to have because they were supposed to last a long time, if not forever. They also had a heavier case (at one time).
Problem is that Torsen got bought out by somebody around 2004 IIRC (right about the time I bought mine
). As Brian, myself and many others have discovered, it seems that the diffs made from that point on don't last as long. Additionally they've even recently reverted back to using the lighter OEM style case. The fried T2R in my car is also getting replaced. In my case it will be replaced by a carbon clutched Eaton next month. Because the last swap was so much fun....
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07-31-2009, 08:59 PM
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09-30-2009, 02:44 PM
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Thought I'd bump this one back from the dead and see if the OP ever got a chance to drive the 5th gen. I've been waiting for a 5th gen to show up locally, but haven't had the pleasure yet.
That doesn't surprise me. My car is in SM and I recently put a cammed LS3 in it. I've spent most of the season trying to figure out how to make the most of the damned things power (I'm still on the OEM Torsen with about 75K miles on it) without spinning or hitting things. 
09-30-2009, 02:58 PM
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I still havent got my hands on the 5th gen yet, but when I do I will right up a report on my autox experience with it. Onm a side note I got TTOD last weekend at the local SFR SCCA event. Who says Camaros cant handle?
09-30-2009, 08:44 PM
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Your opinion definitely would carry weight as you race your cars unlike a lot of ... err, commentators.
10-01-2009, 08:36 AM
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Congrats! Yeah fbodies do all right in the curves.
10-01-2009, 03:04 PM
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*OFF TOPIC EDIT* BTW Brian, what do you think of the Eaton so far? I'm really liking it in my car.
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10-01-2009, 03:19 PM
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10-01-2009, 04:10 PM
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We'll be able to compare it to his LS1 when he gets the chance to drive it, but I have a feeling it won't change the times much.
The f-body isn't a great auto-x platform. When you add ~500lbs to the curb weight, that isn't going to help.
The f-body isn't a great auto-x platform. When you add ~500lbs to the curb weight, that isn't going to help.
10-01-2009, 07:29 PM
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At least,
1) that guy is interested to drive the car first.
2) interested in giving his opinions on the car around an environment which most people would only read about... and then invariably complain.
There is a tangible difference between taking gospel and sampling.
Btw, that garbage you refer to was you taking my comments out of context. Others were looking at some photos of Camaros and Mustangs and then generalizing the relative performance of those cars from the pictures. How stupid does that sound? That was the gist of my comments there, not what you misinterpreted.
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10-01-2009, 09:19 PM
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You mean, as opposed to those who complained loudly about the car before they 'claimed to have' driven it?
At least,
1) that guy is interested to drive the car first.
2) interested in giving his opinions on the car around an environment which most people would only read about... and then invariably complain.
At least,
1) that guy is interested to drive the car first.
2) interested in giving his opinions on the car around an environment which most people would only read about... and then invariably complain.
I know for a fact someone can't hop into a C-5 and scare F-22 pilots with its aerobatic superiority. Hmmm... maybe what I know is wrong is because I have never flown either plane.
To make matters worse for your viewpoint, I know first hand what it takes to make a car handle. Unlike you, I live it / experience it every possible weekend.
Just as there is between personal experience and cold hard results versus blind fanboy worship and corporate marketing spin.
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10-02-2009, 08:53 AM
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I will admit to being a skeptic about the new car's performance due to its extra weight and its tire and wheel package - you can only do so much to try and cheat physics.
However, the cars are to new and underdeveloped at this point to draw conclusions.
I was at a pro touring autocross two weeks ago when DSE brought there 5th gen test car out, but sadly they didn't run it.
However, the cars are to new and underdeveloped at this point to draw conclusions.
I was at a pro touring autocross two weeks ago when DSE brought there 5th gen test car out, but sadly they didn't run it.
10-03-2009, 06:10 AM
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Interesting.....
I know for a fact someone can't hop into a C-5 and scare F-22 pilots with its aerobatic superiority. Hmmm... maybe what I know is wrong is because I have never flown either plane.
To make matters worse for your viewpoint, I know first hand what it takes to make a car handle. Unlike you, I live it / experience it every possible weekend.
Just as there is between personal experience and cold hard results versus blind fanboy worship and corporate marketing spin.
I know for a fact someone can't hop into a C-5 and scare F-22 pilots with its aerobatic superiority. Hmmm... maybe what I know is wrong is because I have never flown either plane.
To make matters worse for your viewpoint, I know first hand what it takes to make a car handle. Unlike you, I live it / experience it every possible weekend.
Just as there is between personal experience and cold hard results versus blind fanboy worship and corporate marketing spin.
A new Camaro should be exactly the thing you should be racing on the weekend... and developing it to be a fine racer. You say, you know what makes a car work, the Camaro is well balanced and the suspension is completely tunable... don't let the weight figures sap your enthusiasm.
It's not winning that matters, it's having fun and getting rewards for your efforts. You don't need me to tell you that, and the Camaro's weight shouldn't be an impediment to an amateur racer, like you. You're not racing for sheep stations...
