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Old Mar 6, 2008 | 08:58 AM
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thats my point. it does nothing that a decent driver can.
I'm sorry, but I don't know of any drivers that can apply individual brakes.

Traction control is not necessary, but in slick conditions, it is unquestionably helpful.
Old Mar 6, 2008 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeRobb
I'm sorry, but I don't know of any drivers that can apply individual brakes.
please tell me how it matters if they are individual or not?
Old Mar 6, 2008 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 97z28/m6
please tell me how it matters if they are individual or not?
Due to the nature of a differential gearbox, applying the brakes on only one wheel causes power to be diverted to the other wheel. That means that when the system detects that one wheel is spinning faster than the other (and therefore has less traction), it can divert power to the other wheel (which has more traction).

Traction control or not, you still need an intelligent driver. I'm not discounting that at all.
Old Mar 6, 2008 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeRobb
Due to the nature of a differential gearbox, applying the brakes on only one wheel causes power to be diverted to the other wheel. That means that when the system detects that one wheel is spinning faster than the other (and therefore has less traction), it can divert power to the other wheel (which has more traction).
so what you're saying is its braking the driving wheel?

you're proving my point for me.

now add the fact that if its in snow (like whats the camaro in driving in) and both wheels have no traction guess how far you'll get........
Old Mar 6, 2008 | 11:07 PM
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The only thing is, Traction Control wheel sensors, detedt a loss of traction long before you can.
The sensor's at the wheel, you must wait for feedback to travel back to your foot, then decide, then react...the PCM has probably applied(modulated) the brakes several times by then.

And if both wheels get no traction, T/C is moot right?
Old Mar 7, 2008 | 04:52 AM
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The only thing is, Traction Control wheel sensors, detedt a loss of traction long before you can.
The sensor's at the wheel, you must wait for feedback to travel back to your foot, then decide, then react...the PCM has probably applied(modulated) the brakes several times by then.
and you've loss momentum and are now stuck.
Old Mar 7, 2008 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 97z28/m6
so what you're saying is its braking the driving wheel?

you're proving my point for me.
No, that's not what I'm saying.

Originally Posted by 97z28/m6
now add the fact that if its in snow (like whats the camaro in driving in) and both wheels have no traction guess how far you'll get........
Ok, look. In slick conditions, traction is rarely equal at both driven wheels. Traction Control allows the wheel with more grip to deliver more of the power. Without it, the (majority of the) power goes to the wheel with less grip.

In a situation where traction is ~0 at both wheels, it's not going to help. But it's not going to hurt either!
Old Mar 7, 2008 | 05:40 PM
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In a situation where traction is ~0 at both wheels, it's not going to help. But it's not going to hurt either!
yes it will. in say deep snow you need wheelspin to maintain momentum..that won't happen if traction control puts the brakes on.
Old Mar 7, 2008 | 05:41 PM
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No, that's not what I'm saying.
what are you saying then?
Old Mar 7, 2008 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 97z28/m6
yes it will. in say deep snow you need wheelspin to maintain momentum..that won't happen if traction control puts the brakes on.
If wheelspin is required to maintain momentum, what you really need is better tires.

Originally Posted by 97z28/m6
what are you saying then?
It's not braking the driving wheel -- it's braking the wheel that's spinning because it has no traction (and is therefore not doing any driving). Braking that wheel causes the diff to transfer power to the other wheel, which has more traction and is therefore a more appropriate wheel for driving.
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