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Old 05-26-2009 | 01:44 PM
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Car and Driver says Mustang wins

In a 3 way comparo of the 2010 Mustang Challenger and Camaro they choose the Mustang #1 Challenger #3 and the Camaro #2 What the heck?
Check it out in the July issue.
Old 05-26-2009 | 01:48 PM
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Simple. As I said in another thread where this was mentioned, Chevrolet benchmarked the 2005-2009 Mustang (since that is all that was available). The 2010 model is obviously better than the previous Mustangs.

When a 315 HP car can accelerate with (at least, to 60), brake with, and even outhandle the new Camaro, I only look at one reason. That reason, my friends, is weight.
Old 05-26-2009 | 01:55 PM
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The Mustang has a better interior, that's for sure.
Old 05-26-2009 | 01:56 PM
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its only a 300lb difference. most of the car and driver editors and testers, are ford bias.
Old 05-26-2009 | 01:57 PM
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The Mustang has a better interior, that's for sure.
i dont like the seats. but it is nice that it has so many options. glass roof, different colored leather, nav....
Old 05-26-2009 | 02:13 PM
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....most of the car and driver editors and testers, are ford bias.
Can you please provide some evidence to support this?

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Old 05-26-2009 | 02:17 PM
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i dont like the seats. but it is nice that it has so many options. glass roof, different colored leather, nav....
I love the Camaro overall, but man, I was so disappointed with the interior. Everything to the right of the steering wheel is like a big chunk of plastic.

The overall seating position was great though. The car sucked me right in and fit like a glove.
Old 05-26-2009 | 03:11 PM
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Can you please provide some evidence to support this?

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can you provide evidence that doesnt support this?
Old 05-26-2009 | 03:12 PM
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Most other magazines have picked the Camaro. When you look at the methodology that Car and Driver used they have a lot of weight on the subjective findings. Pretty much everyone seems to think the Mustang turns better and feels lighter however they all say the IRS on the Camaro makes it behave very well. Ultimately I put no stock in the subjective opinions of writers. The only one who gets a vote in my mind is me because it will be my car. After all the best way to get attention for your magazine is to come to the opposite conclusion of all of the other magazines. If C&D said the Camaro is best no one would be talking about their magazine. The interesting thing is pretty much all of these magazines are owned by the same publisher.
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Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen
can you provide evidence that doesnt support this?
My friend, I have nothing to support - I did not make the claim (nor any claim), you did. I am simply asking for your evidence/reasoning to back up your claim.

Could you please provide the evidence that supports your assertion that C&D is baised to Ford over GM?

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Old 05-26-2009 | 03:14 PM
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good point. does it really matter what they say anyways? its not changing my mind.
Old 05-26-2009 | 03:17 PM
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....The only one who gets a vote in my mind is me because it will be my car. .....
Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding

Personally, if someone was going to give me one or the other, I'd take the Camaro (though in their present forms, I wouldn't actually buy either).
Old 05-26-2009 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen
good point. does it really matter what they say anyways? its not changing my mind.
It must have mattered at least a little, as you saw fit to make the comment?

But ok - just want to make sure we're clear that even though there is zero evidence to support your assertion, you're going to stick with it.

I got it. And I understand where its coming from.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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Old 05-26-2009 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
My friend, I have nothing to support - I did not make the claim (nor any claim), you did. I am simply asking for your evidence/reasoning to back up your claim.

Could you please provide the evidence that supports your assertion that C&D is baised to Ford over GM?

Thanks.
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well my friend, the eveidence is in the magazines. look through the past issues and you will see that they pick fords (or anyone for that matter) over the gm vehicles. not only the camaro test but look at the past issues and read for yourself.
Old 05-26-2009 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
When a 315 HP car can accelerate with (at least, to 60), brake with, and even outhandle the new Camaro, I only look at one reason. That reason, my friends, is weight.
In addition to a ~10% weight advantage, the 2010 Mustang GT Track Pack also has a ~10% gearing advantage. Watch the Mustang fall behind after 60mph as it runs out of gear, and watch it suck down more gas in the process.

What does horsepower have to do with braking or handling?

I'm not saying that the Camaro's additional weight isn't a factor, but it's not the only reason. Don't be naive.

Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen
can you provide evidence that doesnt support this?
I've never seen any evidence of Ford bias in C&D, ever. I've been a subscriber for ~10 years.

The only way to prove absence through evidence is via exhaustive search. It's unreasonable to ask anyone to search through the entire history of C&D for evidence of Ford bias. Plus, it's your claim -- you should be the one to back it up. So, it's up to you to provide the evidence.


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