Camaro Pricing General Idea
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But the GTO and the G8 have three VERY distinct differences.
1) The G8 is a sedan, which will appeal to a broader consumer-base than the GTO did.
2) The G8 is VERY competitively priced AND equipped, unlike the GTO
3) GM won't make the allocating error they made with the GTO. (there weren't enough cars where the demand for them was high.)
I think the G8's sales future is going to be VERY bright!
(< might even have to wear sunglasses! 
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1) The G8 is a sedan, which will appeal to a broader consumer-base than the GTO did.
2) The G8 is VERY competitively priced AND equipped, unlike the GTO
3) GM won't make the allocating error they made with the GTO. (there weren't enough cars where the demand for them was high.)
I think the G8's sales future is going to be VERY bright!
(< might even have to wear sunglasses! )A very accurate observation.
The real question is will 50k G8's be enough?
Too many just never really understood the GTO the GTO real sales problems were much more than just the styling. There were several factors in play.
The cheaper new Mustang and crazy markes up prices had more to do with it. Besides there were only around 15-18K imported a year. Sales were never expected to go over 20K from the start.
The GTO wss just a hole filler in a line up.
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It has more horsepower than an LS1 GTO, and less horsepower than an LS2 GTO. It's about 100 pounds heavier than a GTO, but with more advantageous gearing in 1st and 2nd. Why would you expect anything different?
I'm telling you, journalists have already raced these cars and come back with mid 13's @ 105. I'm betting that somebody somewhere will get a 13.0 @ 107 with a -2500 DA or something like that, and everyone will immediately jump to the conclusion that all G8 GTs should run like that under all conditions, or the driver sucks.
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I think you are right on the money with this speculation, and a find one at that too!!!! The G8 is a sibling of the Grand Prix GTP..... The Grand Prix GTP never had purchase incentives for it sold itself ( asked the salesman because I wanted one years ago).
I went to pickup my TA this past Saturday after GM replace the Cat and saw another person testing driving and hauling *** in a G8. I was a little jealous for it was not me hahahah!
Shall we say this vehicle is for the man who wants some acceleration power who has a family of 4 or 5?
Honestly man, how many times have you heard I sold my 4th Gen Fbody or 2 door sport to accomodate the growing family?
Matt
I went to pickup my TA this past Saturday after GM replace the Cat and saw another person testing driving and hauling *** in a G8. I was a little jealous for it was not me hahahah!
Shall we say this vehicle is for the man who wants some acceleration power who has a family of 4 or 5?
Honestly man, how many times have you heard I sold my 4th Gen Fbody or 2 door sport to accomodate the growing family?
Matt
But the GTO and the G8 have three VERY distinct differences.
1) The G8 is a sedan, which will appeal to a broader consumer-base than the GTO did.
2) The G8 is VERY competitively priced AND equipped, unlike the GTO
3) GM won't make the allocating error they made with the GTO. (there weren't enough cars where the demand for them was high.)
I think the G8's sales future is going to be VERY bright! (< might even have to wear sunglasses! )
1) The G8 is a sedan, which will appeal to a broader consumer-base than the GTO did.
2) The G8 is VERY competitively priced AND equipped, unlike the GTO
3) GM won't make the allocating error they made with the GTO. (there weren't enough cars where the demand for them was high.)
I think the G8's sales future is going to be VERY bright!
(< might even have to wear sunglasses! )
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The Bad Scenario
I don't have any doubts about that, but how long will it be a sellers market and how long will GM produce this vehicle? Worse case scenario is the seller markets on the vehicle until this discontinue the vehicle... say a Year just for the hell of it? This will justify seller marking up the price more if you want in...... knowing you better get it now or will lose out, you will have to pay the extra high markup for last of the breeds.
All of this is just a pricing scenario that could happen........
All of this is just a pricing scenario that could happen........
And I'm not saying you will find the new Camaro deeply discounted, what I'm saying is once you are beyond the intro period (3-6 months) that you should be able to find them below MSRP. If sales are poor in the car market as a whole, dealers tend to discount everything on the lot to some extent. Even the high demand cars like the Camaro will likely be. I've bought vehicles over the years that were in fairly high demand, but due to competition and stock situations at dealerships was able to get good to excellent pricing on several of them. I've seen Vettes go out at pretty discounted prices, when I bought my first Z/28 the dealer had several on hand and I got an extremely good deal as they wanted to move units rather than stubbornly try to maximize profit on each unit.
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What's In Store
No matter where it traps Jake, I don't think the majority of people purchasing this G8 is looking for a low time slip. They probably are looking for a nicer vehicle that has good get-up. The time specs just add to this vehicle's flavoring.
Your debate and my starting this thread reflects what could be instore for the Camaro engine.
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Your debate and my starting this thread reflects what could be instore for the Camaro engine.
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The images of the G8 looks alright but not as impressive until you see the vehicle in person and drive it. I wanted a brochure to take home to my wife, but they didn't even have a single one! Can you believe that? A vehicle is out before the brochure..... and you don't even have real images from their site except drawings.
I site the vehicle first before actually seeing it in person.
The cockpit is well laid with every...... here is the best part..... the seat is position perfectly so that you will see over the hood like it wasn't even there. Visual is very good on this vehicle. Your wife will appreciate the ease of view...... If I were to buy this vehicle, I would place an order on it and take the one off the lot.
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I site the vehicle first before actually seeing it in person.
The cockpit is well laid with every...... here is the best part..... the seat is position perfectly so that you will see over the hood like it wasn't even there. Visual is very good on this vehicle. Your wife will appreciate the ease of view...... If I were to buy this vehicle, I would place an order on it and take the one off the lot.
Best Regards,
Matttttttt
Ok ok I know I have been harping on CAD pricing...I just went to Pontiac dot com and saw the fully loaded GT goes for 32k MSRP...I think that is an amazing price for what you get...if the pricing is similar here in Toronto I will definitely get one for the wife! (Showed her the car on the site...she liked it!)
Nice writeup...I wasn't even thinking about the G8...it looks darn good and 360 odd hp is nothing to sneeze at.
Nice writeup...I wasn't even thinking about the G8...it looks darn good and 360 odd hp is nothing to sneeze at.
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The Reality of Things
I'm not a dealer.... I'm out to make the best selections of a new future vehicle purchase. That was unintelligent that you insinuate that. Even if I was a salesman, how would I make money wasting my time posting this ad? hahahah 
Like I said, no one would like to reference or hear bad news about the future Camaro, though no one in their right mind can state the outcome and the end product. If you were bright enough, you would be able to take my two cents to total up what may happen to the Camaro when it comes to pricing and engine based on the current manu vehicles.
I suggest you take 3 seconds and revisit the beginning of this thread and ponder. I will not bust your bubbles but will remind you a positive outcome is not due for every scenario in this world.
Suggest GM MSRP does not control dealer price.
Like I said, no one would like to reference or hear bad news about the future Camaro, though no one in their right mind can state the outcome and the end product. If you were bright enough, you would be able to take my two cents to total up what may happen to the Camaro when it comes to pricing and engine based on the current manu vehicles.
I suggest you take 3 seconds and revisit the beginning of this thread and ponder. I will not bust your bubbles but will remind you a positive outcome is not due for every scenario in this world.
Suggest GM MSRP does not control dealer price.
Hey buddy, we all understand that the G8 is a great car. There is a lot of enthusiasm all over right now about the car...so thanks for sharing your findings but there is no need to rag on the camaro or what "GM" is gonna do on pricing. We all like the new camaro, and no matter what you say about the G8, or how everyone is gonna get screwed on markups for the camaro, you most likely won't be able to persuade too many.
Call me crazy, this may be a shot in the dark, but to me it really sounds like you may be a pontiac dealer and you really just want more people to push for this car. JMO. Either way, both cars are nice but no need to be negative towards either of them.
Call me crazy, this may be a shot in the dark, but to me it really sounds like you may be a pontiac dealer and you really just want more people to push for this car. JMO. Either way, both cars are nice but no need to be negative towards either of them.
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More Accel Power
Here is a new owner from a different forum.. this is what he had to say so you can pretty understand what I'm saying:
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Re: Got mine
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2008, 03:27:25 AM »
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Just picked up mine today one of the 888 looks and rides great Panther Black GT / Black interior with, Premium package. The pictures of these cars do not show how good they really look I was unsure when I put my deposit down on mine back in November so I could get one of the 888 lucky for me my dealer got a black one but when I saw it today I was set on getting it before I even drove it guess it was love at first sight .
I only have 30 miles on it so far but I love it I did what I never thought I would do I traded in my 04 GTO for it and I loved my GTO it has been a great car and I hope this one just as good more room and more power got to love it.
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Re: Got mine
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2008, 03:27:25 AM »
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Just picked up mine today one of the 888 looks and rides great Panther Black GT / Black interior with, Premium package. The pictures of these cars do not show how good they really look I was unsure when I put my deposit down on mine back in November so I could get one of the 888 lucky for me my dealer got a black one but when I saw it today I was set on getting it before I even drove it guess it was love at first sight .
I only have 30 miles on it so far but I love it I did what I never thought I would do I traded in my 04 GTO for it and I loved my GTO it has been a great car and I hope this one just as good more room and more power got to love it.
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Oh? And what is that?
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Better Review
Here is a better review I like to share with you. The owner mentioned that the vehicle is not doing very well with MPG.....15? Ouch!!!! 
Here's my own little review so far... some little quirks, but almost entirely good.
I haven't found any negatives to the car yet. I also have panther black, I took it to get it washed today and it came out spotty, I got a little fussy about that so I had to go back and wipe it down by hand, it's all pretty again. (Not the car's fault, the lazy car washers.)
The only thing I was a little disappointed about was the fact that the stereo is this big LCD screen but there's no navigation. Not a big deal, just bugged me a little bit.
The gas milage isn't quite what I've been hoping for, it's been hovering a little above 15mpg. I'm thinking after I break it in a little it will improve.
I wasn't able to get a GT, the dealer had one but unfortunately it sold shortly before I came back the next day. I was iffy on the base model, thinking there wouldn't be enough power - was I wrong! This thing is quick! Coming down the highway to work I was breaking 95 and didn't even realize until I looked down at the red digital spedometer. Completely smooth, road scars and bumps are quickly absorbed by the suspension. My G8 came with Goodyear Eagle RS-A performance tires, and they do the job nicely.
The dual zone climate control is very nice, and works with the LCD for the stereo. The stereo can also be controlled by ***** and buttons on the steering wheel. You can change volume, stations, and input (FM, AM, CD, Aux.) There is an aux input for MP3 players. There's also a button on the steering wheel to change the display on the driver info center between the gauges. Readouts for the speedometer, gas milage, tire pressure, trip odometer and a few others. Above the stereo are two digital displays that show your battery status and oil temperature. The steering wheel has two other buttons that integrate with Onstar and allow handsfree dialing and phone calls.
The backseats are unusually roomy, there are two vents mounted on the rear of the center console to allow better airflow to those in the back. An arm rest folds down from between the two seats. Cupholders are in the door trays on each side. Driver and front passenger have two cup holders in the center console and one on each door tray.
I think I covered most of it, if you have any questions or I missed anything, please let me know
Here's my own little review so far... some little quirks, but almost entirely good.
I haven't found any negatives to the car yet. I also have panther black, I took it to get it washed today and it came out spotty, I got a little fussy about that so I had to go back and wipe it down by hand, it's all pretty again. (Not the car's fault, the lazy car washers.)
The only thing I was a little disappointed about was the fact that the stereo is this big LCD screen but there's no navigation. Not a big deal, just bugged me a little bit.
The gas milage isn't quite what I've been hoping for, it's been hovering a little above 15mpg. I'm thinking after I break it in a little it will improve.
I wasn't able to get a GT, the dealer had one but unfortunately it sold shortly before I came back the next day. I was iffy on the base model, thinking there wouldn't be enough power - was I wrong! This thing is quick! Coming down the highway to work I was breaking 95 and didn't even realize until I looked down at the red digital spedometer. Completely smooth, road scars and bumps are quickly absorbed by the suspension. My G8 came with Goodyear Eagle RS-A performance tires, and they do the job nicely.
The dual zone climate control is very nice, and works with the LCD for the stereo. The stereo can also be controlled by ***** and buttons on the steering wheel. You can change volume, stations, and input (FM, AM, CD, Aux.) There is an aux input for MP3 players. There's also a button on the steering wheel to change the display on the driver info center between the gauges. Readouts for the speedometer, gas milage, tire pressure, trip odometer and a few others. Above the stereo are two digital displays that show your battery status and oil temperature. The steering wheel has two other buttons that integrate with Onstar and allow handsfree dialing and phone calls.
The backseats are unusually roomy, there are two vents mounted on the rear of the center console to allow better airflow to those in the back. An arm rest folds down from between the two seats. Cupholders are in the door trays on each side. Driver and front passenger have two cup holders in the center console and one on each door tray.
I think I covered most of it, if you have any questions or I missed anything, please let me know
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If the Camaro get's the same engine as the G8 is what I'm referring to.
The G8 is only hitting 15 mpg from one of the owner.....that's a little rough considering the 4th gen Fbodies obtain 18 or 19 I believe.
The G8 is only hitting 15 mpg from one of the owner.....that's a little rough considering the 4th gen Fbodies obtain 18 or 19 I believe.
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Also...if he's "breaking 95 and I didn't even realize it" often....I can see where the 15mpg comes from.
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Here's my own little review so far... some little quirks, but almost entirely good.
I haven't found any negatives to the car yet. I also have panther black, I took it to get it washed today and it came out spotty, I got a little fussy about that so I had to go back and wipe it down by hand, it's all pretty again. (Not the car's fault, the lazy car washers.)
The only thing I was a little disappointed about was the fact that the stereo is this big LCD screen but there's no navigation. Not a big deal, just bugged me a little bit.
The gas milage isn't quite what I've been hoping for, it's been hovering a little above 15mpg. I'm thinking after I break it in a little it will improve.
I wasn't able to get a GT, the dealer had one but unfortunately it sold shortly before I came back the next day. I was iffy on the base model, thinking there wouldn't be enough power - was I wrong! This thing is quick! Coming down the highway to work I was breaking 95 and didn't even realize until I looked down at the red digital spedometer. Completely smooth, road scars and bumps are quickly absorbed by the suspension. My G8 came with Goodyear Eagle RS-A performance tires, and they do the job nicely.
The dual zone climate control is very nice, and works with the LCD for the stereo. The stereo can also be controlled by ***** and buttons on the steering wheel. You can change volume, stations, and input (FM, AM, CD, Aux.) There is an aux input for MP3 players. There's also a button on the steering wheel to change the display on the driver info center between the gauges. Readouts for the speedometer, gas milage, tire pressure, trip odometer and a few others. Above the stereo are two digital displays that show your battery status and oil temperature. The steering wheel has two other buttons that integrate with Onstar and allow handsfree dialing and phone calls.
The backseats are unusually roomy, there are two vents mounted on the rear of the center console to allow better airflow to those in the back. An arm rest folds down from between the two seats. Cupholders are in the door trays on each side. Driver and front passenger have two cup holders in the center console and one on each door tray.
I think I covered most of it, if you have any questions or I missed anything, please let me know
I haven't found any negatives to the car yet. I also have panther black, I took it to get it washed today and it came out spotty, I got a little fussy about that so I had to go back and wipe it down by hand, it's all pretty again. (Not the car's fault, the lazy car washers.)
The only thing I was a little disappointed about was the fact that the stereo is this big LCD screen but there's no navigation. Not a big deal, just bugged me a little bit.
The gas milage isn't quite what I've been hoping for, it's been hovering a little above 15mpg. I'm thinking after I break it in a little it will improve.
I wasn't able to get a GT, the dealer had one but unfortunately it sold shortly before I came back the next day. I was iffy on the base model, thinking there wouldn't be enough power - was I wrong! This thing is quick! Coming down the highway to work I was breaking 95 and didn't even realize until I looked down at the red digital spedometer. Completely smooth, road scars and bumps are quickly absorbed by the suspension. My G8 came with Goodyear Eagle RS-A performance tires, and they do the job nicely.
The dual zone climate control is very nice, and works with the LCD for the stereo. The stereo can also be controlled by ***** and buttons on the steering wheel. You can change volume, stations, and input (FM, AM, CD, Aux.) There is an aux input for MP3 players. There's also a button on the steering wheel to change the display on the driver info center between the gauges. Readouts for the speedometer, gas milage, tire pressure, trip odometer and a few others. Above the stereo are two digital displays that show your battery status and oil temperature. The steering wheel has two other buttons that integrate with Onstar and allow handsfree dialing and phone calls.
The backseats are unusually roomy, there are two vents mounted on the rear of the center console to allow better airflow to those in the back. An arm rest folds down from between the two seats. Cupholders are in the door trays on each side. Driver and front passenger have two cup holders in the center console and one on each door tray.
I think I covered most of it, if you have any questions or I missed anything, please let me know
I'm skeptical of his performance impressions, after seeing that he's happy with the Goodyear RS-A tires.