Camaro Pricing General Idea
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The G8 was priced to sell and compete by the magazines prior to dealershipment. Why would you say it was priced too low?
Despite the case, the shipment coming in is distributed among the dealer just like any other new model that is out, thus, many assume that a dealership will markup for ownership competition. I don't doubt this at all. You can't believe since a vehicle that is so anticipated, a dealership will just hand it out for the lowest MSRP price as possible. Would you? Would you if it was your dealership?
Remember, we are just bringing this to light to measure our future prospective of ownership and nothing more than that.
Matthew
Despite the case, the shipment coming in is distributed among the dealer just like any other new model that is out, thus, many assume that a dealership will markup for ownership competition. I don't doubt this at all. You can't believe since a vehicle that is so anticipated, a dealership will just hand it out for the lowest MSRP price as possible. Would you? Would you if it was your dealership?
Remember, we are just bringing this to light to measure our future prospective of ownership and nothing more than that.
Matthew
The Camaro is going to shadow the pricing of the Mustang very closely. Scott has pointed this out and stressed this for a long time. The Camaro may be a little higher but it will be a value packed with things like IRS and more HP than the Mustang offers.
The G8 also points out that GM is going to be aggressive on pricing. No one expected the G8 to come in as cheap as it has.
The Challanger from the start was expected to be an expensive car. If your suprised you have not been keeping up. It was clear from the start it was going to be expensive, very heavy and not as high a volume as the Camaro or Mustang. they will offer cheaper models but they will still be priced with the GT and SS Camaro. Why get a V6 Challanger when the entry level V8 Mustang or Camaro at about the same price?
Dealers will mark up the prices but they will last only for the first 6 months like the Mustang did as supply catches up with demand. At that point GM will help make the picing more competitive between dealers and they can't keep it high as others will under cut their price.
Keep in mind Chevy is GM's value leader in all models. Even the new ZR-1 at $100,000 is a car that only car that cost $500,000 and up can compete with it. The Camaro will also be a value leader as this was a major factor the car was designed around. Things like B pillars and the lesser use of lighter metals all keep cost down to make this car a value and competitive with the Mustang.
Chevy also wants to keep the Volume up to help drive profits as Chevy also works to make profits on high volume car sales vs Cadillac who make more per unit but sells less cars.
The G8 also points out that GM is going to be aggressive on pricing. No one expected the G8 to come in as cheap as it has.
The Challanger from the start was expected to be an expensive car. If your suprised you have not been keeping up. It was clear from the start it was going to be expensive, very heavy and not as high a volume as the Camaro or Mustang. they will offer cheaper models but they will still be priced with the GT and SS Camaro. Why get a V6 Challanger when the entry level V8 Mustang or Camaro at about the same price?
Dealers will mark up the prices but they will last only for the first 6 months like the Mustang did as supply catches up with demand. At that point GM will help make the picing more competitive between dealers and they can't keep it high as others will under cut their price.
Keep in mind Chevy is GM's value leader in all models. Even the new ZR-1 at $100,000 is a car that only car that cost $500,000 and up can compete with it. The Camaro will also be a value leader as this was a major factor the car was designed around. Things like B pillars and the lesser use of lighter metals all keep cost down to make this car a value and competitive with the Mustang.
Chevy also wants to keep the Volume up to help drive profits as Chevy also works to make profits on high volume car sales vs Cadillac who make more per unit but sells less cars.
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i have paper work from my dealer that says i am gaurenteed msrp so i am not paying a cent over it and my dealer said that my deposit is refundable or can be used on another car so if the msrp is close to the vette i will just buy a vette but the camaro will not cost close to the vette
Dealers can do whatever they want
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I was going to request the MSRP guarantee in writing as well and then I realized that its worthless. So you have it in writing that they won't charge you over MSRP, and you have a fully refundable deposit? If they decide they want to charge over MSRP they'll sell the car to someone else who will pay the markup and refund your money.
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well let's see what it goes for in the Great White North
Ok ok I know I have been harping on CAD pricing...I just went to Pontiac dot com and saw the fully loaded GT goes for 32k MSRP...I think that is an amazing price for what you get...if the pricing is similar here in Toronto I will definitely get one for the wife! (Showed her the car on the site...she liked it!)
Nice writeup...I wasn't even thinking about the G8...it looks darn good and 360 odd hp is nothing to sneeze at.
Nice writeup...I wasn't even thinking about the G8...it looks darn good and 360 odd hp is nothing to sneeze at.
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Dragoneye and Wildpaws,
I'm not referring to your typical vehicle, I'm referring to the Challengers and the Camaros. Granted the G8 is a very well packaged vehicle, it is not as hot as the Camaro and the Challenger.
On a vehicle that doesn't sell, dealership will lower the price to move, but on a hot one, they will markup to profit. Can we say a HOT vehicle is reference by a "Waiting List?"
I never in my wildlest dream think the Challenger would have a waiting list coming in at $40k plus.
Matt,
P.S. A 4000 lbs. Camaro you would even feel if it's 361 Horses driven. Weight is well displaced by acceleration power!
I'm not referring to your typical vehicle, I'm referring to the Challengers and the Camaros. Granted the G8 is a very well packaged vehicle, it is not as hot as the Camaro and the Challenger.
On a vehicle that doesn't sell, dealership will lower the price to move, but on a hot one, they will markup to profit. Can we say a HOT vehicle is reference by a "Waiting List?"
I never in my wildlest dream think the Challenger would have a waiting list coming in at $40k plus.
Matt,
P.S. A 4000 lbs. Camaro you would even feel if it's 361 Horses driven. Weight is well displaced by acceleration power!
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As someone else stated the tranny is geared pretty good, 4.something first gear. In comparison the "performance" rear end you can get in the Vette w/ the same tranny is only 2.73s I believe. The 2.91 is supposedly pretty aggressive w/ that tranny.
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I've found two differing sets of numbers for the G8. Edmunds has the following:
1st - 4.03
2nd - 2.36
3rd - 1.53
4th - 1.15
5th - 0.85
6th - 0.67
Rear - 2.92
And Autotropolis has this:
1st - 3.42
2nd - 2.21
3rd - 1.60
4th - 1.00
5th - 0.75
6th -
Rear - 2.92
It should be noted that the Edmunds Tranny Ratio numbers are identical to those listed for the A6 in the Corvette (though the Vette has a 2.56 rear gear).
Final drive ratios in each gear can be found by multiplying whatever gear you're in by the gear in the differential. For example, 1st gear using Edmund's numbers would be 2.56 * 4.03 = 10.32. However, in an automatic, that doesn't come close to telling the full story, as it does not at all account for the effects of the torque converter and how it is set up.
There's no doubt that the 361 HP moves ~4000 lbs pretty smartly, but unless it is significantly under-rated (possible, but doesn't seem too likely) I suspect its acceleration numbers will come in very similar to the LS1-equipped 2004 GTO, which had nearly the same power-to-weight ratio. A well-driven LS1 F-body should be more than a match for this car in pure acceleration (again, simple power-to-weight).
1st - 4.03
2nd - 2.36
3rd - 1.53
4th - 1.15
5th - 0.85
6th - 0.67
Rear - 2.92
And Autotropolis has this:
1st - 3.42
2nd - 2.21
3rd - 1.60
4th - 1.00
5th - 0.75
6th -
Rear - 2.92
It should be noted that the Edmunds Tranny Ratio numbers are identical to those listed for the A6 in the Corvette (though the Vette has a 2.56 rear gear).
Final drive ratios in each gear can be found by multiplying whatever gear you're in by the gear in the differential. For example, 1st gear using Edmund's numbers would be 2.56 * 4.03 = 10.32. However, in an automatic, that doesn't come close to telling the full story, as it does not at all account for the effects of the torque converter and how it is set up.
There's no doubt that the 361 HP moves ~4000 lbs pretty smartly, but unless it is significantly under-rated (possible, but doesn't seem too likely) I suspect its acceleration numbers will come in very similar to the LS1-equipped 2004 GTO, which had nearly the same power-to-weight ratio. A well-driven LS1 F-body should be more than a match for this car in pure acceleration (again, simple power-to-weight).
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Hey buddy, we all understand that the G8 is a great car. There is a lot of enthusiasm all over right now about the car...so thanks for sharing your findings but there is no need to rag on the camaro or what "GM" is gonna do on pricing. We all like the new camaro, and no matter what you say about the G8, or how everyone is gonna get screwed on markups for the camaro, you most likely won't be able to persuade too many.
Call me crazy, this may be a shot in the dark, but to me it really sounds like you may be a pontiac dealer and you really just want more people to push for this car. JMO. Either way, both cars are nice but no need to be negative towards either of them.
Call me crazy, this may be a shot in the dark, but to me it really sounds like you may be a pontiac dealer and you really just want more people to push for this car. JMO. Either way, both cars are nice but no need to be negative towards either of them.
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The G8 was priced to sell and compete by the magazines prior to dealershipment. Why would you say it was priced too low?
Despite the case, the shipment coming in is distributed among the dealer just like any other new model that is out, thus, many assume that a dealership will markup for ownership competition. I don't doubt this at all. You can't believe since a vehicle that is so anticipated, a dealership will just hand it out for the lowest MSRP price as possible. Would you? Would you if it was your dealership?
Remember, we are just bringing this to light to measure our future prospective of ownership and nothing more than that.
Matthew
Despite the case, the shipment coming in is distributed among the dealer just like any other new model that is out, thus, many assume that a dealership will markup for ownership competition. I don't doubt this at all. You can't believe since a vehicle that is so anticipated, a dealership will just hand it out for the lowest MSRP price as possible. Would you? Would you if it was your dealership?
Remember, we are just bringing this to light to measure our future prospective of ownership and nothing more than that.
Matthew
I said it was a good value and priced less than most in the industry expected.
Second the dealers will do what they do as the MFG has no control over it. The MFG and only give a sticker price they suggest and that is it.
You the buyer control what the dealers ask in price as this is a free market controled by supply and demand.
I pointed out that the first 6 months while supplys are low the price will be high and in 6 months if they have a good start up at the factory the supply will catch up to increase supplies to the point the priced will become more competitive.
This it how it will be just as it was for the Mustang.
IF you want the first ones your going to have to pay for it.
As for the G8 prices it was the MFG price provided to the publications that prove to be exciting and is now backed up by the Pontiac web site.
Also your going to have to factor in the economy by next year also. How long demand stays up will depend on how many can afford a new car.
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No need to speculate. Some G8 times are already in: mid 13's at about 105, neck-and-neck with a Charger SRT8.
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trapping 105..... by this logic it is quicker than an 04 gto, just off an 05-06,
I just don't see it, I don't think these cars will be faster than 13.8 @ 99-100 mph
I don't think this car will take off any, The GTO was a sales flop and this bird didn't get any marketing.
No I would be surprised if they sold 888 units.. j/k
I just don't see it, I don't think these cars will be faster than 13.8 @ 99-100 mph
I don't think this car will take off any, The GTO was a sales flop and this bird didn't get any marketing.
No I would be surprised if they sold 888 units.. j/k
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trapping 105..... by this logic it is quicker than an 04 gto, just off an 05-06,
I just don't see it, I don't think these cars will be faster than 13.8 @ 99-100 mph
I don't think this car will take off any, The GTO was a sales flop and this bird didn't get any marketing.
No I would be surprised if they sold 888 units.. j/k
I just don't see it, I don't think these cars will be faster than 13.8 @ 99-100 mph
I don't think this car will take off any, The GTO was a sales flop and this bird didn't get any marketing.
No I would be surprised if they sold 888 units.. j/k
1) The G8 is a sedan, which will appeal to a broader consumer-base than the GTO did.
2) The G8 is VERY competitively priced AND equipped, unlike the GTO
3) GM won't make the allocating error they made with the GTO. (there weren't enough cars where the demand for them was high.)
I think the G8's sales future is going to be VERY bright!
(< might even have to wear sunglasses! 
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