Camaro may be announced tomorrow... but
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Re: Camaro may be announced tomorrow... but
The best way to make everyone happy is simply to give them choice. Make the car easy to mod, if you don't want to mod it then don't. But give people who want to make their car faster the chance too without having to jump through 50 hoops.
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Re: Camaro may be announced tomorrow... but
quick hijack of my own thread...
dag! that's great. i'm happy for you... now what's your secret??? LOL 
i have started autoX the GTO cuz the torque management doesn't affect that and she does really, really well in bone stock form!
if the new Camaro is like the GTO i can totally live with that. the GTO rocks and it's sad more people don't give it the respect i think it deserves. i just worry about what's in the pipeline with these crazy modules.
Originally Posted by BigDarknFast
Congrats on the GTO! I can certainly empathize with your frustration. However - I'm on the flip side of that. My GTO recently gave me the best ET I've ever achieved with any of my cars owned so far, including my 02 LS1 Trans Am. (Keep in mind - I'm a horrible track driver and don't have time to be heavily into modding my cars). TQ mgmt isn't a big issue to me... but transmission longevity IS.
i have started autoX the GTO cuz the torque management doesn't affect that and she does really, really well in bone stock form!
if the new Camaro is like the GTO i can totally live with that. the GTO rocks and it's sad more people don't give it the respect i think it deserves. i just worry about what's in the pipeline with these crazy modules.
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Originally Posted by BigDarknFast
I meant, 'analog' vs. 'digital'... such as digital controllers for the body, powertrain and airbags. My point was... we benefit greatly, and greatly take for granted, the utility provided by all these new controller modules.
About to get T-boned by a drunk driver? Your airbag controller will fire seat belt pretensioners and side curtain airbags before you even blink. Forget to turn your dome light off? Your body controller module will shut it off for you and save your battery. Misjudge a freeway ramp in the snow? Stability controller will help guide you safely to a stop on the shoulder. I'll eagerly trade off some mod-ability for all those functions.
About to get T-boned by a drunk driver? Your airbag controller will fire seat belt pretensioners and side curtain airbags before you even blink. Forget to turn your dome light off? Your body controller module will shut it off for you and save your battery. Misjudge a freeway ramp in the snow? Stability controller will help guide you safely to a stop on the shoulder. I'll eagerly trade off some mod-ability for all those functions.
All of these functions you have mentioned probably would not affect modability much. It is all a matter of if GM locks the factory PCM on the car or not, and where the placement of the actual mechanical stuff on the car is that will affect the car's modability. Ever drive an fbody in the snow? I am not sure how much stability control is going to help. Traction control certainly doesn't.
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Originally Posted by BigDarknFast
There will always be some folks thinking as you do. My point is, there are fewer and fewer of them, as OEM equipment gets better all the time and as new features require more sophisticated integration (example: E-M compatability, to avoid stereo hiss, noise, RF interference).
Sorry about my 'mentality'... but it's majority rule out in the cold cruel world.
Sorry about my 'mentality'... but it's majority rule out in the cold cruel world.
Stereo equipment shouldn't be that much of a concern anyway. It is never that hard to get around the factory stuff with the right know how.
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Originally Posted by RussStang
Ever drive an fbody in the snow? I am not sure how much stability control is going to help. Traction control certainly doesn't.
Couldn't afford a winter beater at the time, so I drove on the factory all seasons year one, then a set of "snow shoes" the second year! A4, 2.73's, no traction control ..... made it through more than I expected it to!
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Originally Posted by Capn Pete
Drove mine 2 winters in a row! Couldn't afford a winter beater at the time, so I drove on the factory all seasons year one, then a set of "snow shoes" the second year! A4, 2.73's, no traction control ..... made it through more than I expected it to!
Couldn't afford a winter beater at the time, so I drove on the factory all seasons year one, then a set of "snow shoes" the second year! A4, 2.73's, no traction control ..... made it through more than I expected it to!
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Originally Posted by RussStang
Then you know what I am talking about. I have driven mine through 3 winters, and I can't see stability control helping too much. I have traction control, and it typically just gets in the way.
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