Actually GM had a plan to make a modern, sophisticated sports coupe that used the latest technology of the day, space frame design, lightweight composit body panels, DOHC engines, but it was FWD. The GM80 program used up much of the 4th gen's budget in waste. The 4th gen, for what it was, was the furthest offshoot of the Camaro in its history. The 1st gens weren't engines in a box, sure they could be ordered like that, but the majority of them weren't. The Camaro was based on a high volume, shared chassis with the Nova chassis. It was a stylish sporty car, just like the Mustang was/is. That is what Camaro needs to be. The difference now is that the competition is TOTALLY different today. Instead of competing with Falcons, and other BOF RWD I6 and V8 domestic sedans and 2 door sedans Camaro will be competing with FWD/AWD unibody imports for the majority of its sales. These cars are much more sphoisticated than the average car sold in the 60s. Since the cars are now lighter and more efficient with space, Camaro must figure out a way to compete while staying true to its heritage. I am not advocating a GM80 FWD Camaro because that isn't Camaro but it needs to be more than an engine in a box.

I agree that Mustang has been using the same formula but if you think it is the enigne in a box you are dead wrong. Mustang is a sporty, stylish coupe that people can use everyday and has high power versions for those that want them. For the lack of a better term the Mustang V6 is a seceretary car. It is a car for someone who doesn't want a sedan, cares about looks, and wants a sporty drive.

Mustang is NOT nor has it ever been a muscle car. Mustang is THE pony car. It in its entirety is the market. And yet people will crossshop the original pony car with things like G6 coupes, Eclipses, and possibly even hatches like the new Rabbit. Sure the V8 models have different buyers but they make up a minority of the car's sales.

Camaro MUST be what GM is planning for it to be: a sporty, stylish coupe with a distinctive look, spohisticated suspension, kick butt interior, and a great value for what it is. The V8 model will have all the performance you guys will want from it, but if you want a drag car then go buy a used car and modify it with everything you want. Don't F*ck up the Camaro for the rest of us.

 

You would be the exception. In general, the 18-26 crowd is broke. I am 26 and could afford right now as well, so I am also the exception. But, in 2 years I will almost be in the target crowd.

I just have to say that you won't be getting the top of the line car for such a small price. It just doesn't make sense. Is GM going to price the top of the line Camaro under the price of a base Corvette and give the Camaro a bigger engine? Who knows. But I will say that you won't be getting something with an LS7 or equivalent for under 35k let alone 30k.

And who is calling a Corvette and overpriced 2 seater? That car is a bargain for what it can do.

 

you must have that mixed around...why would GM put the SS lower then the Z/28??? the SS has always been the more dominant special edition...maybe thats just my thought tho....?

 

Supposedly the Z28 may be top model for the new Camaro.

If they do I hope they totally eliminate 'SS' from the Camaro lineup entirely. I dont' want an 'SS'. BUT, if that is the mid-level Camaro, I'll just have to get it and remove all the 'SS' badges. There are enough trim levels from previous generations to choose from that they don't need 'SS'. I'd rather have a new Camaro Berlinetta or RS over an SS...

Z28 should be an affordable vehicle not an upper $30's or more top model. IMO anyway. SS should be top (even though I don't like the designation) over Z28 if only due to 'SS' standing for SUPER Sport... How can you have a model above the 'Super' one?

 

this is just my opinion...but i garuntee that chevy wont rate the z28 over the SS....they already have the SS lineup going right now, chevy will never make the SS name lower then any other models IMHO. Just like how chevy will never make the camaro w/ the Ls7, or any engine w/ more power then the new z06 vettes (unless for a special edition) because then nobody would buy the vette, and it would be a waste of creation.

thats my opinion, but who knows....i really dont care though, cuz i cant wait to get my hands on the new camaro!!!

 

You guarantee it!

 

He doesn't know much about the Camaro history, it's ok.

 

I agree with you on the LS7, I don't see that engine going into this car. Unless GMMG, or SLP wants to do another ZL1 Car. And honestly i'd be happy with a 5.3L V8 as the base V8, give it about 325 to 350hp, AFM with Flex Fuel and i'll be doing back flips. But the LS2 has been rumoured to be the base V8 and if it is that will be one hell of a buy for Mustang GT's prices.

As for the Z28 being over the SS, here is a history lesson for those who don't know. RPO Z28 was developed as a Road Racer, it had a 302 V8 and a race suspension. They were more expensive then the SS and RS cars for a very good reason. GM only produced enough to qualify it for competition. And GM wasn't the only company to do that, Chrysler did it with the Hemi, and Ford did it with the BOSS 429. I'm sure I left some things out feel free to fill in the gaps.

 

Would anybody have an accurate idea how much will be asked for V8 Camaro by Holden should they import it to Australia? Denny Mooney indicated a mid-50s price which seems too good to be true based on prices for the outgoing Monaro being listed higher.

Given Camaro will sell for circa $30K USD, it shouldn't cost more than $50K AUD based on currency conversion and FTA between USA and AUS.

 

Yeah I like how people forget that there is a Corvette SS that is top dog over the Z06. Oh wait there isn't.

 

okay whatever...i was just saying what i thought...and i still think that chevy wont put the SS name lower then the Z/28.

the SS lineup is all about power....so if they put a SS camaro lower then the Z/28 that would make no sence...and the ss has always been on top

 

SS is about good performance and comfort. Z designations, Z71, Z06, Z28 are about pure performance.

 

I'm confused. Hasn't Z/28 always been an entry level V8? For all the years that Z/28 and SS coexisted, the SS had the more performance oriented options. Bigger engines, and such. Until the 4th gen, anyway. But even then, they still had more performance options.

 

AHHHHH......its happening once again!!!!!