I think people tend to forget the GTO comes pretty much fully loaded. I expect a v8 camaro base near mustang v8 base. Also, with more hp/tq.

 

Maybe its the area i live in, but all the way until 2002, there was a rediculous amount of 18-26 year olds driving these cars around, be it base V6 all the way to Nicely equipped Z28 (in 2008 it will be SS).

and i dunno about you, but im 26 and i wouldnt have an issue one with purchasing a 26,000 car.. Maybe thats just me...

 

Your course of thinking is exactly what will end Camaro production for good.

The Mustang and Camaro (not to mention the challanger) were intended to be little more then a box with a motor.

Do i want A/C? Sure
Comfortable Interior? Sure

But im not willing to forget everything that makes a pony car a pony car. Want IRS and superb handling, then quit being cheap and buy a Vette'.

The camaro, needs to be a refined street machine like it has always been intended to be, the Mustang does just fine with this set critera, why cant the camaro?

IRS is swell, ive owned a vette' i can vouche for GM's IRS set-up, but i got rid of that over priced two seater, because i do in fact want that camaro feel back again, and not from my 1993 street warrior.

If you want a Caddilac with a camaro badge, then your in the wrong place guy', most of us want what the camaro has forged itself as, a Nice cheap sportscar, with seat of the pants appeal.

period.

 

Times changed, evolve or die. How well did the last, engine in a box, Camaro do?

 

Not so well, because GM decided to shop for its interior from the Dollar store, and utterly refused to properly fund its development post 1989.

Dont shoot the messanger. The Mustang has been using the same formula for almost 40 years, they seem to be doing just fine. So whats the excuse? Thats right... i just told you why.

 

Remember that the GTO cost more than GM had intended because of the unfavorable US-AUS exchange rates, which won't be a factor with Camaro.

 

Did someone call the Corvette an overpriced two seater?

 

Maybe when im 65 ill disagree, but currently after owning one for a year and some change i feel i have the right to pass said judgement.

Now a Z06 on the other hand... doesnt quiet fit into this discription

 

I agree that the "engine in a box" is a recipe for disaster, but why can't we make a car like we want it?

I was watching an episode of "muscle car" the other day and they went out on a limb and clamied that the 1968.5 Road Runner with the 6 barrel was the purest example of a muscle car ever built. This vehicle had no A/C, no radio, a whop-sided leafspring set up, and an unpainted hood without hinges. The car didn't even have freakin hubcaps!

The point i'm trying to make is that the pure definition of muscle car is an engine in a box. The only problem is, to remain true to the definition of muscle car is to pretty much commit business suicide (ie 4th gen)

Now take into consideration the scions. The xB and xA are pathetic performers. They have 103 hp, tiny wheels, budget interiors, and get slightly above average gas mileage. Yet, there selling like hotcakes. There selling because of an ungodly amount of factory customization. You can order anything on your scion from a shift **** to a super charger.

Now what if GM allowed that kind of customization on a 5th gen? What if you could get a budget interior, cheap wheels, and a powerful V8? What if you could get a base V6, cloth interior, and 20" rims? How about a V6 with every option available? You see the niches that these cars could expand to include?

I just sincerely hope that GM sees the profits available through customer customization.

 

if the top dog camaro cant do the 1/4mile under 12.2, then i'm jus gonna get a 04 sonic blue cobra and tune it up

 

Look at the cost of the base equivalent mustang, add $500-$1000 and that should be the base prices of the camaro. It may go up from now, but when released that should be the target. Options etc. may raise the price, but if it starts much higher than that people who just want a V8 will be more likely to go mustang due to the "bargin" V8.

 

Might want to do a search on guionM and find a thread he posted quite some time ago about the buying demographics of Camaro (and Mustang). While your perception of your neighborhood might be different, I think you'll find the average Camaro buyer is somewhat north of 30 years old.

 

kinda off topic, but i saw on the news today that the camaro is "officially coming out in 08" is this real? or is this just reporters making things up like always?

or am i just slow in hearing it? i thought it was still iffy when it was coming out

cory

 

Im confused, you want the nice cheap sports car but in the same thread you complain about the Dollar store interior as you call it. You do understand if it had a nicer interior that it wouldnt be free. IE the car would cost a little more.

wait till tomorrow, see what the news says then (thursday)

 

I'm a 20 year old who is married, a homeowner, and I have a good job. Not every 18 to 26 year old is broke, either that or i'm just the exception to the rule. But truck comes first, Camaro comes later.