Quality issues w/ the 03 Cobra's already?!?

Was reading over on the corral some guy took delivery on his 03 Cobra conv.. Said he wanted to see what it had, downshifted to 2nd and said as soon as he mashed the gas the car completely fell on its face w/ the boost gauges going crazy , he knew something was very wrong. He said it kept missing the whole ride w/ absolutely no power... lifted the hood and the car was running extremely hot? This is on a one day old car folks.

[This message has been edited by Antz97ZNJ (edited June 09, 2002).]

Should have bought a Chevrolet. http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif Incase others haven't noticed, like all F**d cars have BS and recalls like crazy, that car isn't gonna be any different.

Hopefully this site isn't destined to repeat what is already going down on LS1.com.

One of the members on the Corral reported that a friend of a relative took delivery of a 03 Cobra, and it had an engine problem of some sort essentially from the get-go. No resolution yet (it is a weekend).

LS1.com is currently in a "03 Cobra's are all junk" feeding frenzy over this one car.

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Maybe the fool who had the Conra should have broken it in instead of beating on it on the first day. We dont know the specifics of the situation, so I wont be too quick to say it was a Ford quality problem.

Im no Ford fan, but I'll atleast give the car a chance to prove itself before making any preconceived notions.

-Rich

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1987 Monte Carlo SS 355
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*Cobra...not "Conra" hehe :P

-Rich

Yea, I checked that out, they just straight up hate ford over there(LS1.com)...man I could never stand that egotistical site

Read the response from "EBLU-BY-U" (a Z06 owner) in this thread...

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105067&pagenumber=3

....moral? It is an unfortunate occurance that can happen to any car, of any make, and of any year....even those that cost $50k.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IZ28:
Should have bought a Chevrolet. http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif Incase others haven't noticed, like all F**d cars have BS and recalls like crazy, that car isn't gonna be any different.</font>

From an AP article in the Detroit Free Press:

June 7, 2002


BY NEDRA PICKLER
ASSOCIATED PRESS

NHTSA also is stepping up its investigation into nearly half a million General Motors Corp. vehicles after 28 crashes were blamed on a possible steering problem. More than 1,200 people have complained that the steering rack and pinion suddenly locked up while they were driving.

The investigation involves the 1998 Oldsmobile Intrigue and 1997 models of the Pontiac Grand Prix, Pontiac Trans Sport, Chevrolet Venture, Chevrolet Malibu, Oldsmobile Silhouette and Oldsmobile Cutlass.

The problem can cause the driver to lose steering control. GM reported six crashes in which eight people were hurt, but no injuries or deaths were reported in the other 22 crashes. "


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WhooshStang, etc....

You dont need to post articles about specific problems in GM automobiles. I believe the intelligent majority of us realize that all manufacturers have problems from time to time. We could be here all month posting recalls and defects.

Let's stick to the topic at-hand. Hopefully everyone is smart enough to not put much merit in this one case. We'll watch and see if anything else happens with the rest. However, I personally dont believe we will see anything out of the ordinary.

Im more interested to see what they run at the track. http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

-Rich

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bob Cosby:
Read the response from "EBLU-BY-U" (a Z06 owner) in this thread...

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105067&pagenumber=3

....moral? It is an unfortunate occurance that can happen to any car, of any make, and of any year....even those that cost $50k.</font>

Very interesting http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

Thats like 1 thing for GM in how long. F**d comes out with recalls and BS with their cars faster than it takes a COPO Camaro 427 to get down the track. http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif Watch, the F**D Impala SS ( http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif) is gonna probably be the same.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Thats like 1 thing for GM in how long. </font>Uh, huh...I'm sure that's the lone issue GM has had. If you think that's the only quality issue that GM has had in "how long", then you're either naive or stupid. Blind loyalty is a wonderful thing.
Take some time to browse the NHTSA recall database, then come back and try to claim that GM doesn't hasn't had it's fair share of recalls and TSB's.
I'll be the first to admit that Ford has some serious issues with the Focus program. I put some miles on one of those cars earlier this year as a loaner, and while it seemed to be a pretty neat little car (and is ranked by Consumer Reports as the best Small Car), it's be plagued by safety issues and recalls.
Time will tell if the '03's are good cars.
S.


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I know why

Ford=Crap

very easy equastion if you need any help with it just ask http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by crasher88:
I know why

Ford=Crap

very easy equastion if you need any help with it just ask http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif</font>What an idiotic statment!!!!!!!!!!..Well seeing that there the only ones representin the US as far as muscle cars go now u better get use to it

And you would be stupid to think GM has as many as F**d because its just not so. Its like every car that comes out there is an issue with it. Their quality is still not up there with GM. If they're gonna represent musclecars, the GTO better get here fast!!

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by INTENSS:
I believe the intelligent majority of us realize that all manufacturers have problems from time to time.
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Yes, that would explain why IZ and Hugger don't get it...

Oh I get it alright. But its just fact that F**ds quality isn't up there with GM and that they have more recalls and things. And I'm plenty intelligent when it comes to things here and cars. http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

[This message has been edited by IZ28 (edited June 10, 2002).]

I'll reserve judgement until I hear similar stories rather than just one supposed instance.... but still.... http://web.camaross.com/bb/redface.gif

look i am a gm guy all the way but they all have problems. caddy also (pos catera-cts) the difference is gm builds 10times the body styles as ford. 1 taurus = monte carlo-grandprix-regal-saturn-olds-etc thats why ford sells more of one model they have less to offer.btw my wife works at a ford dealer and had a 91.lx 5.0 coupe and a 95gt convert when i met her she now drives a grandprix gt and the only car she likes that ford builds is the mustang but she thinks the next body style is fugly. ps we drove a gt convert that was won at her dealership that they did not want (4 kids)we could have had that 30k car new for 21k we did not but it she bought me a 2k firehawk that was traded there 2 mos later and this car is a much better car overall. and we only gave 17k for it!!!

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*cough* 99 Cobra *cough* Bullitt Mustang *cough* Explorer *cough* Focus *cough* 2003 Mustang Cobra - history repeating itself? Hmm, could be....

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First, check Brent's Appearance Guide (http://www.bfranker.badz28.com/appearance) then check
SuperDave's supplement Appearance Mods pics (http://community.webshots.com/user/superdave479) for more 4th gen F-Body pics.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SuperDave479:
*cough* 99 Cobra *cough* Bullitt Mustang *cough* Explorer *cough* Focus *cough* 2003 Mustang Cobra - history repeating itself? Hmm, could be....

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*cough* Your corny? I guess u forgot about LT1 optispark,leaking exhaust manifolds, Ls1 oil usage, early clutch problems, bending pushrods. Only problem is Gm didnt have recalls for them, u had to go in yourself and luckily still have a warranty.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bob Cosby:
Read the response from "EBLU-BY-U" (a Z06 owner) in this thread...

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105067&pagenumber=3

....moral? It is an unfortunate occurance that can happen to any car, of any make, and of any year....even those that cost $50k.</font>

On a slightly different but in this case related subject, Harrison Pontiac has 2 Collector edition Firebird TransAms. The cheapest of the 2 (t-top) was going for $45,000! http://web.camaross.com/bb/eek.gif

If Cobras are going for "only" $3000 over sticker (as someone in that thread mentions), compared to what Pontiac dealers are doing ($10,000 over sticker), that's a bargain.

I hope this is an isolated problem! However, I do have to say that the reason I will NEVER own a Ford product again is the warranty problems I had with my 97 F150. It had SEVERE piston slap and Ford told the dealer they weren't going to warranty it. I've only owned 4 new vehicles in the past 10 years, 3 GM's and 1 Ford and the Ford was the biggest POS ever.

Before all my warranty problems I was going to purchase a 99 Cobra...good thing I didn't do that;-)

All vehicles are going to have problems but doesn't it seem that the newer Fords have had more than their share?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SuperDave479:
*cough* 99 Cobra *cough* Bullitt Mustang *cough* Explorer *cough* Focus *cough* 2003 Mustang Cobra - history repeating itself? Hmm, could be....

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*cough*there's nothing wrong with the bullitt,owners that have dynoed their cars are getting around 275HP*cough*it was a great success and it got incredible reviews from every car mag that tested it*cough*if you ever drove one you'd get it,oops,probably not*cough*



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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IZ28:
Oh I get it alright. But its just fact that F**ds quality isn't up there with GM and that they have more recalls and things. And I'm plenty intelligent when it comes to things here and cars. http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif
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If you went to the NHTSA website and browsed their database as Snorman suggested, you probably wouldn't make such idiotic and ignorant statements.

Whatever, LOL.

[This message has been edited by IZ28 (edited June 11, 2002).]

Your best statement yet.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Derek Smalls:
Originally posted by SuperDave479:
*cough* 99 Cobra *cough* Bullitt Mustang *cough* Explorer *cough* Focus *cough* 2003 Mustang Cobra - history repeating itself? Hmm, could be....

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*cough*there's nothing wrong with the bullitt,owners that have dynoed their cars are getting around 275HP*cough*it was a great success and it got incredible reviews from every car mag that tested it*cough*if you ever drove one you'd get it,oops,probably not*cough*



Hmm, you only commented on the Bullitt and I saw the reviews, they weren't exactly "incredible" and if you love them so much, why do you own a 99 Mustang coupe?

Let me guess. This is going to revert into another one of those bash Mustang threads?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by guionM:
Let me guess. This is going to revert into another one of those bash Mustang threads? </font>


I certainly shouldn't be. Let the car stand on it's own merits.

There are lots of assemblies and sub-assemblies in cars. One car needing attention is not a trend by any means.

If the car is that good it will show it. GM has not left the arena and prematurely downing a model doesn't make a lot of sense from as classy a group of owners as GM owners are.


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SuperDave479:
Hmm, you only commented on the Bullitt and I saw the reviews, they weren't exactly "incredible" and if you love them so much, why do you own a 99 Mustang coupe?</font>
i only commented on the bullitt because ford got it right on that one.quality-wise,it's too early to tell on the '03 cobra,performance-wise,bullseye.as for the focus and explorer.i'll give you those,though i'd still like a SVT focus.as for why i don't own a bullitt?who cares what i own,i love tons of cars,i'm not made of money though and i'm happy with my coupe.
ford isn't the only car company with quality problems,even the mighty BMW has problems every now and then,it's ignorant to jump on one person's story about the cobra(on the internet of all places!!),wait and see,if 2 or 3000 snakes roll out and most have problems,then attack away.



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Dude, if you think Bullit's are getting 275 HP to the wheels, you have been badly misinformed.

GM had better overall quality then Ford for like the second year since god knows when and some of you Gm boys start talking like you're driving some Lexus or Toyota http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif. I remember reading some News article on the net and it was talking about how GM had surpassed Ford in quality for the very first time. Doesn't say much about Gm quality since both have been in the business for over 60+ years.

I'm a mustang guy, not a ford guy http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif. I really think they've shot themselves in the leg this past year. If they're smart they'll know not to screw this Cobra or any future model up.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SNEAKY NEIL:
Dude, if you think Bullit's are getting 275 HP to the wheels, you have been badly misinformed.</font>

Reading his post, I don't think that he was implying that Bullitts were getting 275 HP to the wheels since he didn't refer to it as RWHP. It's not a rarity to see a Bullitt dyno in the 235-240 RWHP range which puts you near 275 HP. The bottom line though is that the Bullitts made their advertised HP which was only 265 HP.

I like the Bullit. And as of yet I have heard no one who regreted their purchase, or had any problems with it. Bullit will be replaced by the Mach1 late this year, so they won't be around forever.

For those interested in Mach1, it won't be around very long either. The next special edition Mustang will be the Boss Mustang (either as the final fox cars, or the first DEW cars).

As for Ford "quality", the fault rests squarely on the pennypinchers there. If you look at most of the recalls Ford has had lately, it's over bonehead, nickel & dime stuff in new introductions or redesigns that a few dollars (and in some cases just a few cents) more would have taken care of.

My Bullitt runs like a champ and is faster than the 275HP LT1 Camaro I had.

If there is anything wrong with it, let me know, because I don't have a lot to bitch about, other than perhaps a less than smooth transmission.

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2000 Jetta M5

WERM, beautiful ride. The thing must turn allot of heads.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darth Xed:
I'll reserve judgement until I hear similar stories rather than just one supposed instance.... but still.... http://web.camaross.com/bb/redface.gif</font>

This is true. I just hope in the name of domestic muscle that this doesnt turn out to be a common occurance.

Bullits are visually nice but its basically a GT..they run similar..Id take a 99 4 valve over it in a second.

I don't think a bullit turns really many heads. The regular GT has a higher visual impact. Not to be down on the car too much but it looks like a cross between a V6 and the GT. I would think that not many people would think anything of it unless people really keep up with stuff like that.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SNEAKY NEIL:
I don't think a bullit turns really many heads. The regular GT has a higher visual impact. Not to be down on the car too much but it looks like a cross between a V6 and the GT. I would think that not many people would think anything of it unless people really keep up with stuff like that.</font>

I gotta agree... I'm not a huge fan of the Bullitt myself, but that is just my opinion...

More proof that Ford quality is an oxymoron: Feds probe Ford cop cars (http://www.detnews.com/2002/autosinsider/0206/11/d04-511480.htm)

You people in here really crack me up. Ten people have died in TWO decades of crown vics. of gas tank ruptures. You tell me any car that has not had ten gas tank ruptures in TWO decades when they are hit from behide at a 100 m.p.h. You find anything to discredit ford. shame shame.

How about the #1 seling SUV, the Ford explorer. Its killed a few ..huh? Oh yea, the tires make it flip. Firestone musta put springs in he rubber, and if it goes flat it bounces the explorer on its side. If it goes flat with Goodyears on it, it doesn't flip, PA'lease!! The only reason they were able to blame it on Firestone isbecause Ford has a ton of lobbiests to help buy votes and sway peoples opinions. If it was found that it was the explorers fault (which it obviously is) Ford would either have to fix the problem,or buy back every single explorer they ever made, and thus bankrupt the company. I love that Ford commercial where he brags about his two grandfathers Henry Ford and HARVEY FIRESTONE used to take the current president out for trips in the country in the first SUV, the model T. Billy, good job at using your "other" grandfathers good name and company as a scapegoat, and then have the nerve to mention his name in a commercial. Why don't you just dig him up and piss on him next time.

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Maybe it should be remamed the ford Exploder! http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by smooth3d:
You people in here really crack me up. Ten people have died in TWO decades of crown vics. of gas tank ruptures. You tell me any car that has not had ten gas tank ruptures in TWO decades when they are hit from behide at a 100 m.p.h. You find anything to discredit ford. shame shame. </font>

You may want to check you source of information on this...100mph LOL. What about the one that just exploded? Was this one hit at 100mph as well?

here's an idea....how bout we keep this forum related to what it is...."5th Gen Discussion"
since when is a ford product or even a 'vette considered to 5th Gen F-BODY discussion?!?
all this talk about the cobra doing this or the explorer doing this and that just makes this forum turn into a flame war between us Fbody owners and the Mustang guys

The Vette and Camaro are connected. Since the Vette is Chevys flagship alot of its technology eventually filters down to the Camaro. So watching the Vette will give us an idea of the 5th gens engine and so on.

This has to be one of the dumbest posts I have read in awhile... How about we all stand at the edge of the dock and see who can pee the farthest for Christ's sake.

**Moderators** please lock this thing up!