$70 Electric SuperCharger??? Do these work?

Have you all ever checked these out??
Do they work?? Are they worth it? It sounds like an awesome idea.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Electric-Supercharger-All-Makes-All-Models-HP-Turbo_W0QQitemZ230210791861QQihZ013QQcategoryZ3374 1QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Waste of money. They most likely impede more airflow than they create. I highly doubt they spin quickly enough to provide any advantage and are most likely more of a burden on you air intake system than anything else.

I'm thinking about hooking 2 of them up to a y-pipe, do you think 6 amps is toom much for the alternator?

actually I just did the math for a 3.8L. say at 2000 RPM, that equals 3.8Lx2000 = 7600 liters/minute, which equal 4.5 cubic feet/second.
this electic supercharger puts out 275 CFM which equal 4.5 cubic feet second.

so your right, it only helps you up to 2000 rpm then it just gets in the way.

but what if I hook up 2? Then it should help up to 4000 RPM's... but is 6 amps too much for the alternator? Or maybe I should just hook up 2 filters so it doesn't cause any retriction, say keep the stock filter & hook this up to a y-pipe?

6 amps should be nothing to the alternator since the windows alone have a 20 amp fuse, but that probably mean this thing has no power.

I'm going to do it, I'm going to hook 2 of those bad boys up to a y-pipe. I'll try to get a 4 way pipe and leave the stock filter hooked up to so it doesn't impeade the flow any. Twin Super Chargers!!!! This is going to be Stupid Cool!! :D:D:D:D:D

actually I guess I shouldn't hook up the factory filter because then any boost will just leak out though it. Just 2 of these to a y-pipe directly into the intake then.

wow thats alot of thot , id jus say screw it and do it, and if u blow something let us know as a warning,..thanx bro take one for the team evo!!!woo hoo~!!

this one will work just needs some work to fit it up.
http://www.zzperformance.com/grand_prix/products1.php?id=410&catid=109

this one will work just needs some work to fit it up.
http://www.zzperformance.com/grand_prix/products1.php?id=410&catid=109

wow, I didn't know that was out there. I'm not ready to spend that kind of money yet though.

What has everybody concluded when it comes to installing a supercharger from a newer montecarlo SS or one of those pontiacs? Does that work for an extra 40 HP??

You seem to have established that the electric fan will flow 275 cfm. But that number is meaningless, unless it is accompanied by a stated boost pressure. I'ts likely that the fan will flow 275 cfm, but its also likely that at that flow, it will be producing boost that is on the order of a few inches of water. One psi = 27.7"H2O. A few inches of water won't even give you that much boost.

Note also that when you use a fan, the inefficiency of the fan is converted into heat (heat of compression). Increasing the air temperature reduces the density of the air, working against the increase in pressure. Maybe you ought to see if they sell an intercooled option.

Then there's the matter of where the power to drive the electric motor comes from. It comes from the alternator, and increasing the amps on the alternator increases the power the alternator pulls from the engine/serpentine belt to drive the alternator. Then there's the effect of added weight, which will reduce performance.

Might want to do ALL the calculations before you jump to the conclusion that one of those fans will produce any power at all. To help you, to determine the actual air consumption of the engine, you multiply the displacement of the engine by 1/2 the RPM, since the engine is a 4-stroke design, and requires two full revolutions of the crank to completely fill, compress, combust and exhaust the cylinder.

One would be a waste but 2 of these I think will be the best HP for the dollar mod in history.

The set-up I'm hoping will sort of be like a cold air intake so the temp rise shouldn't be as much. Besides I believe my car is actually performing worse in the cold winter air as I'm getting less mpg, so I'm not really worried about that.

I don't understand why people are always concerned with load on the alternator, the alternators mechanical load always stays the same, the variation comes in the electrical enengy where energy unused by the engine goes towards charging the battery, so all that's going to happen is there will be less energy charing my battery. there is no mechanical difference and no mechanical power loss.

Thanks for the tip on the air calculation, I was thinking one revolution of the crank equaled the displacement, I guess this should give me 2-3 psi boost to redline then and then 2 of these would even work for a v8 if you could fit them under the hood, iguess you could mount them right behind the radiator or something?

this is going to be freakin cool.:D

What good is a fan that can deliver volume, but not boost? An efficient centrifugal supercharger pulls up to 5HP off the nose of the crank for every PSI of boost that it makes. How much boost do you think you can make with a cheap ventilation fan, pulling (so you claim) 6 amps? 6 amps x 12 volts = 72 watts = 0.10 HP to drive the fan. It will not make 2 -3 psi at 245cfm. Look at the "negative" feedback on that site.... the negative feedback comments all note that the unit is a piece of poo, and will not make boost. What part of this do you not understand?

Freakin cool......? No.

What good is a fan that can deliver volume, but not boost? An efficient centrifugal supercharger pulls up to 5HP off the nose of the crank for every PSI of boost that it makes. How much boost do you think you can make with a cheap ventilation fan, pulling (so you claim) 6 amps? 6 amps x 12 volts = 72 watts = 0.10 HP to drive the fan. It will not make 2 -3 psi at 245cfm. Look at the "negative" feedback on that site.... the negative feedback comments all note that the unit is a piece of poo, and will not make boost. What part of this do you not understand?

Freakin cool......? No.

ummm, okay 2 people said it didn't work, so what, about 2000 other people on there said it does.


Why do you think you need a $4,000 piece of equipment to create 2-3 psi? Most people can make that much with their mouth, it's not hard and 2 of these will do the same thing. What part of this don't you understand? Do you think every application in engineering that requires 2-3 psi requires a $4k piece of equipment? Somebody has found a cheaper way to do the same thing.

if fact if you think about it using a combustion engine to create boost is very ineffcient because you need such a high speed to create the needed volume in a small package which is why they are so expensive for the high speed technology and precision parts, but electric motors are small, inexpensive and are easily capable of those high speed needed so it makes more sense. yes a mechanical pump will create more boost but who cares, this is 1/40 of the price and creating 1/2-1/3 the boost!!!

Um...it's a piece of crap. lol

notice how all the hondas bought em ;)

Um...it's a piece of crap. lol

okay, i'll get it, put it on and I bet that I will get more HP gain out of it on my v6 than all of your junk mods combined on your v8 and I will have only spent a fraction of what you have. And my car will still get better gas mileage!!!

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m300/BC2002SS/AwJeez.jpg

kid its your money piss it away anyway you want, but this has been proven to work Nitrous!

yeah, that's cost 5 times as much and will destroy your engine in 50,000 miles and then you have put up without having a trunk becuase there's a bottle there, and then you have to to hit some button when your driving just for it to work and then refill the bottle all the time for big Money.............screw that.

make sure you get before and after dyno numbers so we will know how wrong we were.

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Watch out Injuneer, a 3.8 with 133413 electric superchargers is going to beat you!!

Nitrous destroys your engine in 50k miles?1?1?! OH NOES. So what scientific method did you use to come to this conclusion? Last I checked, as long as your A/F and timing are okay, you should be just fine. That being said, I would never touch nitrous if I were you.

EDIT: I know nitrous is fine, but not for the OP

Nitrous destroys your engine but boost is ok ? I think I need a smaller pulley.

When you do the mod, you might want to get one of those canister type mufflers to reduce the back pressure created by that supercharged intake. and maybe get a larger spoiler to create some downforce for better traction with all that extra horsepower.

It's your car and if you have an extra $150 laying around, go for it. You asked for opinions and these gentlemen have been gracious and given theirs. I could give you many reasons not to expect big time results, but it seems your mind is made up, so I say go for it, and prove everyone wrong.

When you do the mod, you might want to get one of those canister type mufflers to reduce the back pressure created by that supercharged intake. and maybe get a larger spoiler to create some downforce for better traction with all that extra horsepower.

It's your car and if you have an extra $150 laying around, go for it. You asked for opinions and these gentlemen have been gracious and given theirs. I could give you many reasons not to expect big time results, but it seems your mind is made up, so I say go for it, and prove everyone wrong.

I agree, to each their own, but I've never been a big supporter of bench racing or arguing with someone who obviously knows more than they do (IE Injuneer). Numerous people have tried these and everyone knows that they are a waste of money (next will be a thread about Tornados in the intake or something else beat to death). For $150 I'd pick up some used 4.10s or 3.73s (depending on the transmission) or a G80 or something worthwhile.

On a serious note, I think a GT-R badge would be pretty appropriate at this point

I was wrong it will work.

http://thumbs.streetfire.net/ab544e3b-5dff-416d-9cfd-a1ad23ca9564.jpg (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/ab544e3b-5dff-416d-9cfd-a1ad23ca9564.htm)Leaf Blower Bolt on Dyno pull (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/ab544e3b-5dff-416d-9cfd-a1ad23ca9564.htm)

This tool is so funny im literally about to fall outta my chair LOL.

Dont forget to dyno your weak POS before and after to prove us wrong or else we're still gonna laugh in your face dude...well,im going to anyway but..

You'll get a much better response from people if you dont come off as such a...um...cocky moron,considering I think most if not all the people that responded to your thread have a WAAAY faster car than you.

Also, seeing how mine is a RACE CAR...which means it doesnt see the street EVER...why would I care about gas mileage?? Obviously I didnt build it for that LMAO. Runs pretty good though considering its a STOCK motor w/ a cam/intake/carb. Put as many elct. superchargers on it you want,im down to race any time.

Why would you try and mod a v6....just by a z28, you will be much happier...wont have to put electric superchargers on it. You know 2-3 psi could kill your engine too...lol..I would go at least 50 shot of nitrous. Believe me, I think those who have z28 or any car with a v8 knows that the gas mileage is going to go down with modding..its just a fact of life...

Do it man. Ignore all these haters. Your V6 will be hella fast and get better gas mileage than anyone.













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This tool is so funny im literally about to fall outta my chair LOL.

Dont forget to dyno your weak POS before and after to prove us wrong or else we're still gonna laugh in your face dude...well,im going to anyway but..

Also, seeing how mine is a RACE CAR...which means it doesnt see the street EVER...why would I care about gas mileage?? Obviously I didnt build it for that LMAO. Runs pretty good though considering its a STOCK motor w/ a cam/intake/carb. Put as many elct. superchargers on it you want,im down to race any time.

your're a loser, you drive around in a POS compact-pickup truck everyday while you have spent all your money on a race car that you probably drive twice a year and isn't worth 1/5 of what you paid for it because it only gets 13 mpg and probably can't even drive on the street.

Me, I have a v6 that's going to look like a SS with a custom paint job, it's going to have about 230 HP so it fast enough to do anything I want it to, it's going to be completely paid-off yet look like a brand new SS and still get 25 mpg and I can actually drive it everyday and get my money out of it....imagine that!!!

And I'm going to get 25HP out of a mod that cost under $200.

no, i'm not trying to mod my car to be the as fast as a v8, If I cared about having that fast of a car I would just buy a v8 but the fact is I save $800 a year with a v6 in gas and insurance, that's money I can put in the bank while you're broke a$$ will be working the night shift at taco bell.

you don't know what your talking about because you have no experience with these electric turbos yet you act like you know everything under the sun so you should go sh1t yourself and quit acting like an idiot.

Why would you try and mod a v6....just by a z28, you will be much happier...wont have to put electric superchargers on it. You know 2-3 psi could kill your engine too...lol..I would go at least 50 shot of nitrous. Believe me, I think those who have z28 or any car with a v8 knows that the gas mileage is going to go down with modding..its just a fact of life...

Why the hect would you want to drive around in a '93? that car is 15 years old?

Because we all have different preferences, I like the v6 because it's cheap to maintain, insure and gas up and my 2000 looks better than you're 93 and is more reliable.

I don't trust nitrous, I've heard people say you're engine runs hot and you get crappy mileage and the chemicals in it are acid like and it will eat the metal in you're engine over time. I don't know this for a fact but I already know that it's expensive and a major PIA to use.

Why the hect would you want to drive around in a '93? that car is 15 years old?

Because we all have different preferences, I like the v6 because it's cheap to maintain, insure and gas up and my 2000 looks better than you're 93 and is more reliable.

I don't trust nitrous, I've heard people say you're engine runs hot and you get crappy mileage and the chemicals in it are acid like and it will eat the metal in you're engine over time. I don't know this for a fact but I already know that it's expensive and a major PIA to use.

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Wow.....where to start. You will see a gain with those....about as much as the throttle body bypass. You will not see 25hp from a fan or two. Wont happen.

One word. Catfish.

Apparently you need to find people that know how to install NOS and watch the A/F ratio a little better.

If you got the money give it a go. Make sure you dyno before and dyno after....you will be dissapointed. As stated, spend the money on gears or something else that makes use of the hp you already have.

In closing.....


ELECTRIC SUPERCHARGERS DO NOT WORK

BTW, how old are you, 16?

It will do more to help performance to do a back seat delete than to put this fan in the intake. On the MPG side I get 28-30 in the SS with a M6 on the highway, the 3800 fiero can get to 30 MPG if I can stay out of the gas and drive the speed limit. I get about 24 MPG if I drive 75-80. Try asking on a 3800 cite like http://www.3800pro.com

Buy a leaf blower and plumb it into your intake tract. Probably will hold more boost than these things.

the negative feedback comments all note that the unit is a piece of poo, and will not make boost.



Freakin cool......? No.

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freakin waste of money? Yea

It will do more to help performance to do a back seat delete than to put this fan in the intake. On the MPG side I get 28-30 in the SS with a M6 on the highway, the 3800 fiero can get to 30 MPG if I can stay out of the gas and drive the speed limit. I get about 24 MPG if I drive 75-80. [/url]

:bs: - everyone knows you are not getting 30 mpg in a SS. You are so full of :bs::rolleyes:

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None of you clowns have any experience with electric superchargers yet you all claim that you are experts and you can't possibly create 2-3 psi with a $70 piece of equiment like it is some miracle of science or something.:rolleyes:

I think its more like because it's not your idea and you don't have one so it must be stupid. I think you people are morons all together, coming and going.

And I'm not wasting money on a dyno, I don't throw away money like a stupid monkey, I don't care about numbers anyway, if these things do what they say they will I will feel the difference and that's all I care about.

fools learn the hard way

:bs: - everyone knows you are not getting 30 mpg in a SS. You are so full of :bs::rolleyes:

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None of you clowns have any experience with electric superchargers yet you all claim that you are experts and you can't possibly create 2-3 psi with a $70 piece of equiment like it is some miracle of science or something.:rolleyes:

I think its more like because it's not your idea and you don't have one so it must be stupid. I think you people are morons all together, coming and going.

And I'm not wasting money on a dyno, I don't throw away money like a stupid monkey, I don't care about numbers anyway, if these things do what they say they will I will feel the difference and that's all I care about.

Benn watching this thread...can't refrain anymore.

You are the one who cam here and asked about this "miracle" of an electric supercharger. When people correctly informed you that it's a waste a money, time and will more than likely not net you any gains, YOU are the one who got defensive. None of these "clowns" have any experience with these electric superchargers because none of these "clowns" are stupid enough to buy one. It's good that you attempted to do your homework before buying one of these pieces of crap, but what's the point if you aren't going to listen to anyone?

It's your money, so do what you want with it, but you better learn that there are many, many snakeoil products in this world promising you real-world results and most of them are bogus. But if you want to continue to believe everything you read on some ebay sellers page, go for it. Goodluck with your miracle product. Be sure to post those dyno results after you install it.

Caveat Emptor my friend!

Dude you better close up your plug gap, increase the size of your fuel injectors, install a 3 bar MAP, and throw some C16 in that sucker cuz your motor is SURE to pop with all that boost. Better throw the ET Streets on, upgrade to a Dana 60 and 4 link, and do a superglide swap to make sure you get that power to the ground also.

Actually I also suggest sealing your mouth (tightly) around your single exit exhaust and sucking for all you're worth when that car's on the dyno. Its gonna need the free-est breathing exhaust of all time to allow for those fans to reach their full potential.

Well, that'll be enough of this thread - again.

Please refrain from requesting information and opinions if you cannot handle the answers like a mature adult.

Much the same, please do not childishly reply with insults to questions you deem stupid, moronic, and so on...

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