I need your imput on new LT1 headers

Jet Hot is designing the new long tube LT1 headers for the 93-97 Camaro/Firebirds. Our design is simular to the Hooker long tube headers. The headers will be 1 3/4 x3" collectors. The tubes will be 16 gauge(hooker's is 18gauge). The flange that bolts to the head will be 3/8 thick(hooker's is 5/16" thick). These will be non emission headers (we will look into egr tubes later next year). The headers will tube tuned. The headers will have the O2 bungs installed into both collectors (facing the outside). The headers will come with the standard bolts and gaskets.

Now the big questions:

Do you want the end of the collectors to have a 3 bolt flange or a slip on design.

We will look to make an off road Y pipe (and maybe a Y pipe with cats).

Is there any other changes you would like.


P.S.:
I need to know asap-we are making a pro type right now. Production will be right behind it.


Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

I would like a hooker header with good ground clearance emissions equipment would be nice.

I like the slip on way my Mac's bolt up I had Hooker 3 bolt flange on my old truck and they were a pain and leaked. JMHO

If you could make a good ground clearance long tube especially with y-pipe and cats similar to the FLP that fits better for a good price (750-900)I'd be first in line :)

Awesome to hear! I am definately interested in a set with the off road pipe. Any ideas on cost? Unfortunately, I don't have much experience with the two types of collectors to say which I prefer. I'm sure there are plenty of guys that can say though.

I would definetely like to see it with a y-pipe with cats. That is my major problem with the hookers, so I have to get one custom made.

I think you're really missing the boat if you don't make them with emissions fittings. Those I'd wait for. Those would have a competitive advantage over the Hookers. The Hookers are already priced right, so you really need some kind of advantage to knock them off their throne. The y-pipe with cats would provide that and so would the other emissions bungs. JMO

TJ

Slipfit - less leaks but really either way would be fine. That is why they make RTV. Just nothing like the FLP setup. I hate that.

Also, for ideas.
1.) Y-pipe with cutouts built into them. I think this would be awesome and allow some cool felxibility especially for high HP applications.
2.) 3" Y-pipe all the way back.
3.) As much room for plugs as possible
4.) Tight to the floor as possible

I think that sums it up for me. $ and design willing, I am probbaly going to sell my headers for a set of yours.

Are you still expecting January?

What you really need to do is build me a set of long tube headers for my lt1 powered s-10.I dont need the egr or air fittings,I wont be picky..........:D

i think you guys should have 2 different sets...one with emissions fittings and one without. couldnt you simply pull some sets off the assembly line a little early so they miss the emissions crap or just have those guys that weld on them make some without??

also i think the slip fit would be the best solution. that would be an oversized 3" on the collector to fit over the 3" y-pipe instead of a slip where the 3" y-pipe fits over the collector...correct? that way you dont choke the flow when the exhaust enters the collectors.

you said O2 bungs on the outside of the collectors?? i think bung placement should be towards the inside of the car so the wires dont have to be routed around the hot collectors.

Originally posted by TonyJ
I think you're really missing the boat if you don't make them with emissions fittings. Those I'd wait for. Those would have a competitive advantage over the Hookers. The Hookers are already priced right, so you really need some kind of advantage to knock them off their throne. The y-pipe with cats would provide that and so would the other emissions bungs. JMO

TJ

I'm with Tony on this, (almost) everybody will want them with O2 bungs, but I think you will be surprised how many shorty customers would opt for LT's if the AIR and EGR provisions were made available.
As for the collecters, I would prefer the slip fit (mabe include a couple stainless band clamps too). I'm really glad to hear you folks are doing this. I have been very impressed with both the quality and service I've received from Jet-Hot in the past, and you can expect my order for the emission version LT and "Y' pipe as soon as they are available.

Yeah chris Im intrested in the EGR and Air fittings but i might order the ones without anyways. Gotta check and see how strict they are here with visual inspections.
Slip on over the 3 bolt flange anyday. Even with Red RTV it still started leaking again. The flange warps and the space between the bolts pull downward.

I would also be interested in the y-pipe with cats.

I'd would deffinatly buy them if they had O2 bungs and emission fittings built into them...would prefer the slip fit also

Copy the design from Mac Headers w/ plug clearance but make em' LT's w/ the 1 3/4 primaries w/ cats or ORP and you'll have the best of both worlds.

I've got FLP's so it doesn't matter to me but most folks complain about plug and wire clearance and MAC's by far are the best w/ plug and wire clearance.

Personally I like the three bolt flange. i think theres too many things that can go wrong with the slip fit. In some cases the female pipe was too big and wasnt a snug fit. i think that could be eliminated by not having the slip fit for the y-pipe.

Originally posted by MEAN LT1
Personally I like the three bolt flange. i think theres too many things that can go wrong with the slip fit. In some cases the female pipe was too big and wasnt a snug fit. i think that could be eliminated by not having the slip fit for the y-pipe.
It can also be eliminated by having a band clamp like those that come with the Borla catback systems.

I'd be down for a set without EGR/AIR fittings. I think I like the slip on design better as well. Biggest factor for me though, is ground clearance. Off road Y-pipe would be nice as well.

I don't understand why you wouldn't make all of the headers with the EGR & AIR fittings then you would have everyone buying the headers. The people who need to stay emissions legal and the people who don't could just block of the EGR & AIR with a simple bolt. You make more money in the long run.

The y-pipe would be nice also.

I'd like to see a set of longtubes with good plug clearance, slip fit, and an offroad y-pipe. I also like the idea of a y-pipe with built in cutouts!:D Oh yeah, I'd buy a set without the emissions:p

something i forgot to mention is to make sure the header primaries actually LINE UP to the exhaust port. i guess hookers arent exactly lined up perfectly and people are needing to port them to match the gaskets. i think the welds disrupt the flow somewhat but more importantly the header flange overlapped the exhaust port. i know this sounds like a nobrainer but hooker screwed it up and have been making headers for ever.

I am still reading all the great emails. We should have a car to do a test fit on later next week. I am asking for the AIR and EGR tubes to be added. We will make a Y pipe, it will take a little longer(sorry). It seems like most would like the headers without the 3 bolt flange at the end. I can make it happen but without a Y pipe (yet), you would need to fabricate a Y pipe. Let me know what you think.

Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

That sounds good. Just when you make the custom Y pipe, definitely build in the cutouts. Great feature. :D

What... so the air and egr could be coming out with the LT1 batch in january or that the air and egr will be coming out for sure by summer time?
A ypipe isnt a problem for me. Tons of exhaust shops around here can custom make one for under 200 bucks.

Originally posted by ZDriver96
What... so the air and egr could be coming out with the LT1 batch in january or that the air and egr will be coming out for sure by summer time?
A ypipe isnt a problem for me. Tons of exhaust shops around here can custom make one for under 200 bucks.

At this point , I have changed the direction on the 1st batch to include the AIR and EGR tubes. We are looking at Jan to have them ready to sell. I'll keep you posted as this continues.

Thanks
Chris

Originally posted by JetHot Coating
At this point , I have changed the direction on the 1st batch to include the AIR and EGR tubes.


Eh...are you still going to have some without the emission hook ups? I'd rather not have the hook ups sticking up with plugs in them. If you are only going to make the emission version of your headers, will you still be offering the Hooker LTs?

I like the idea of staying emission legal but want to ask a question that seems to have been missed. What kind of price range are we looking at? Thanks,

Kyle

How much are these gonna be running?
I'm very curious I dont need a exact number just a ballbark.
;)

There $511 dollars shipped !!

Count me in for a set!

Tony J.

Dang...$511 shipped sounds mighty good to me!

Originally posted by ZDriver96
There $511 dollars shipped !!


The New Jet Hot LS1 headers were introduced for $511 and are selling for $540 right now. The LT1 headers should fall into the same range.

If we can get the set up for the emission set up for the LT1 headers, we shold be able to produce some without the tube also.

Thanks
Chris
Chris@jet-hot.com

I'm not buying any headers unless they also have all the emissions hookups. If hookers had emissions hookups, then I would already have them.

Right now, I would have to buy them bare, find someone willing to weld everything on (O2's, Air, EGR), then have them coated.

Plug access is a big plus to the hookers that make me keep thinking about going through the trouble I just mentioned--many of us here work on our own cars.

if you give me a free set of your LT1 longtube headers i will drive my car all the way from IL to you so you can do testing for a y-pipe:D

but if not i would be interested in buying a set without emmissions hookups

I was going to order my Hooker LTs from you after the first of Jan, but I think Ill wait now and see how these turn out. I would not need emissions. The Y pipe definately needs cutouts though

Also, if you dont want to use simple's car, I could also provide an Illinois car for testing in exchange for a free set. :)

Originally posted by turbo_Z
i think you guys should have 2 different sets...one with emissions fittings and one without. couldnt you simply pull some sets off the assembly line a little early so they miss the emissions crap or just have those guys that weld on them make some without??

also i think the slip fit would be the best solution. that would be an oversized 3" on the collector to fit over the 3" y-pipe instead of a slip where the 3" y-pipe fits over the collector...correct? that way you dont choke the flow when the exhaust enters the collectors.

you said O2 bungs on the outside of the collectors?? i think bung placement should be towards the inside of the car so the wires dont have to be routed around the hot collectors.


Exactly what he said. If you have to use a 3-bolt collector flange, make 'em thick so they seal better. If you make a header that is well built, makes good power, is fairly easy to install, has good plug/wire access, good ground clearance, has provisions for O2 sensors/emissions equipment, and is reasonably priced; you will have a real winner-and many customers. This is a very tall order, and for everyone's sake I wish you luck.
If you can make the headers as stated above for the $511 dollar price tag with the 3-pay plan, the only problem you'll have is keeping them in stock :D

Originally posted by onebadponcho
Exactly what he said. If you have to use a 3-bolt collector flange, make 'em thick so they seal better. If you make a header that is well built, makes good power, is fairly easy to install, has good plug/wire access, good ground clearance, has provisions for O2 sensors/emissions equipment, and is reasonably priced; you will have a real winner-and many customers. This is a very tall order, and for everyone's sake I wish you luck.
If you can make the headers as stated above for the $511 dollar price tag with the 3-pay plan, the only problem you'll have is keeping them in stock :D

Like he said.

I think the 3 bolt flange would be the best and then offer a ypipe for it. A lot of people are now going the true dual route and the hooker lt's make it super easy.

Another vote for emissions stuff as well!

Good luck!

I think a ball flange would be better, like on the MACs . They dont leak, and are easy to line up. But thats a great price. When will pics of the prototype be ready?


Jeff

I'm in for a set. I was planning to get a set of Hookers. But, if I don't find a good deal on a used set before January I'll be in for these.

Michael

hows the ground clearance? Any pics?

We should be getting a car shortly for the test fit. After we make a few changes, we'll start manufacturing the headers, After we get the 1st batch, I should have some pictures.

Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

Will the ports line up?

3 or 2 bolt dosnt matter in the end
emissions I vote for no


ground clearance would be nice

but as long as the ports line up better then the hookers you have my money

I guess I'll be waiting til January to buy my headers as long as these are similarly priced to the Jet hot coated hooker lt's for 620 shipped.

ground clearance, plug access, and no leaks are all I ask for. would also like no emissions.

Jet Hot-

Do the right thing and build them with emissions hookups. Leave it up to the the buyer to disable the functionality. The decision shouldn't be any more difficult than that. Also, if you're going to do flanges, the flanges should be very thick so they can be torqued tight enough. (Picture a turbocharger and the downpipe flange) I think some of the other flanges are too thin and that causes the flex during temp fluctuations and eventual blow out of the gasket.

Also, ypipe with cat(s) that fit both types of cat-backs (single and dual cat). I'm waiting until January now....

Originally posted by merim123
Jet Hot-

Do the right thing and build them with emissions hookups. Leave it up to the the buyer to disable the functionality. The decision shouldn't be any more difficult than that. Also, if you're going to do flanges, the flanges should be very thick so they can be torqued tight enough. (Picture a turbocharger and the downpipe flange) I think some of the other flanges are too thin and that causes the flex during temp fluctuations and eventual blow out of the gasket.

Also, ypipe with cat(s) that fit both types of cat-backs (single and dual cat). I'm waiting until January now....

I couldn't agree more with your first statement, but I think they could make them with or without the emissions stuff so there's a choice. If there's not going to be a choice, obviously include the emissions hookups and leave it to us to block the stuff off.
However, on the issue of flanges... I think 3/8" is plenty thick. You can only make the flange so thick; if they're too thick, you'll have a problem getting some of the header bolts to go in. I have Hooker shorties right now and 3/4" long Stage 8 locking bolts, and I can barely get some of the bolts started because they hit a primary tube. Plus, if the flange is any thicker than 3/8", a normal 3/4" header bolt don't thread into the head very far; then longer bolts would be needed and you're back to the first issue I mentioned.
Also, I wouldn't know the feasibility of the headers "bolting up" to both single and dual cat exhausts. It would seem awful difficult to me to make an efficient y-pipe with good ground clearance to bolt up to a single cat exhaust. Personally, if I went to LT headers, I'm getting duals too :D .

I am having a band clamp and lip welded on mine. The 3 bolt flange sits too low. I will also band clamp and bolt at the Y.

I am making a custom 3 inch ORP and custom 3 inch Y w/cats. Will be bolt in/out

Unfortunately, just the parts for this are running over 300$ so far...Car sound Cats, JBend from SLPOnline, VClamps + flared ends from Airflowonline.com.

BTW, the headers are awesome!

Perry

1. A ball socket type flange like a MAC, but keep the opening 3", they do not leak and are simple.

2. Emission, no emission versions

3. Coated/uncoated versions( Cheaper)

4. 1 5/8 longtube version, I would buy these. I like the low end grunt a smaller tube provides, no one has these. I like the MAC's on my car. And would be perfect for bolt on cars.


David

Think you should make some with and without emissions fittings..and make some with y-pipe flanges and some without. Just pull the non-emission/slip fit one's off the line early and send them to be coated.
My personal preference would be no emissions and slip fit collector, maybe make them so the primary isn't so close to the abs connector like the hookers, and O2 bungs inboard. If you can get these out within a month I will buy, otherwise I will have to get the hookers and just cut the collector flanges off.
Not related to the headers per say, but can you put more or hit the area where the primaries meet the collector better with the coating, the last two sets of Hooker LT's I installed are showing signs of rust in that area only after a short period of time. Not a knock on ya, just an observation.
One last question, if you know you are gonna have them for mid January production, will you be offering soon the ability to pre order

Thanks
Bill

I think options are key, it shouldnt be too hard to make the 3 bolt flange an add on after production, butI really dont know it all about making headers :)

Just make them fit without beating things up is all i ask :)

otherwise I will have to get the hookers and just cut the collector flanges off.
To my knowledge the Hooker LT's do not have pre-welded flanges. ;)

Originally posted by SS RRR
To my knowledge the Hooker LT's do not have pre-welded flanges. ;) Yep they do...

Hmmmmmm..
From what I understand it is an option when the headers are ordered. I had to have a shop weld flanges on mine as well as tap the bungs.

Just make 'em all with emmission hookups and sell block off plates to anyone who wants 'em;)

Originally posted by SS RRR
Hmmmmmm..
From what I understand it is an option when the headers are ordered. I had to have a shop weld flanges on mine as well as tap the bungs.

No you didn't :) ... They only welded in the O2 bungolios.


PS - I think I'm the only person in JetHot history to have order their black coating :D .

Originally posted by Shawn 97 Z28 M6
No you didn't :) ... They only welded in the O2 bungolios.


PS - I think I'm the only person in JetHot history to have order their black coating :D .
Yes I did. I had to specify to have flanges welded on, so :p. :)

Originally posted by SS RRR
Yes I did. I had to specify to have flanges welded on, so :p. :)


Regardless - Summit headers... Part 2231 all have flanges welded on. You may have to specify to *not* have them on, but order another set and $5 says they do.

Originally posted by Shawn 97 Z28 M6
Regardless - Summit headers... Part 2231 all have flanges welded on. You may have to specify to *not* have them on, but order another set and $5 says they do.
$5???
Man you big balla you. :D
I did order mine when they were first made available a few years ago. Times change. ;)

Oh yeah........ Merry Christmas, Shawn. :metal:

sign me up for LT headers and if a y-pipe at the right price is made and actually fits right then send it my way too!!! :cool:

My biggest complaints with the Hookers are the rusting after a SHORT period of time, the ports not matching, and the LACK OF A QUALITY Y-PIPE.

I had my headers narrowed down to 2 choices but yours may make it 3.

I am VERY glad that they'll be ready by January. Any chance they'll be ready by the 15th?

Originally posted by SS RRR
Hmmmmmm..
From what I understand it is an option when the headers are ordered. I had to have a shop weld flanges on mine as well as tap the bungs.
That would be great, all the ones I put on had the flanges welded on...anyone else get Hookers without flanges?

When might this GP be happening? I have been waiting and i don't know if i can wait. What all features have you decided on?

waiting for the pictures and build options (emissions, cats, ypipes, etc...)

I just helped a buddy install a set on his LS1 and the install went great on the headers, by far the easiest install Ive done, but the slip-on y-pipe was a total pain. Maybe it was just his car but I vote for the the 3-bolt. Otherwise, awesome products! I would be in for a set with emission goodies.

Bo

I'd like to see the LT1 headers made with 1/2" thick 4 bolt collector flanges that use 7/16" bolts. Yes, ready-made gaskets are available for 4 bolt flanges. The part number is FelPro 2005. I presently have SLP single cat headers with 4 bolt flanges welded to the y-pipe outlet and the inlet of my Random Tech catalytic converter. The flanges are made of 1/2" thick 316 alloy stainless steel because the y-pipe and cat are stainless. The seal is 100% leak free and the 4 bolt flange can offer more ground clearance than a 3 bolt flange when the 3 bolt has to be installed with a bolt in the downward position. I also have an offroad pipe made to the same dimensions as the converter. My setup takes less than 30 minutes to swap the converter for the straight pipe and vice versa.

if you made a Y-pipe for them you guys would definately get alot of orders for them! you guys rock!! sweet ideas u guys have!! lata:bow:

I'm interested in a set for of headers ans Y-pipe for a 93 with the air tubes.

I'm interested in a set of headers and Y-pipe for a 93 with fittings for the air tubes and O2s.

Originally posted by Pampered-Z
I'm interested in a set of headers and Y-pipe for a 93 with fittings for the air tubes and O2s.


The 1st batch we are making will not have the emission tubes. We are looking into the emission tubes, we are trying to find out what tubes we need for each year(93-97) and were they need to be located.

Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

I am very interested on a set of these. I really don't care what kind of hook ups they have, and I sure don't need any emmisions crap. o2 bungs would be very nice though. Any time frame and price so I can get my order in??????

No emission tubes :( I'll be first in line for the 93's with the emission tubes :)

Sorry guys- no emissions fittings means I'm going with Hooker... I'm sure you'll sell the first batch. The price sounds great. I'm just disappointed I waited this long. The Hookers should be on the car by Wednesday. They are Jet Hot coated, so you got some of my business anyway. Good luck with the project.

TJ

was u guys planning on offering ther 3 payment plan on these headers right away?

Originally posted by JetHot Coating
The 1st batch we are making will not have the emission tubes. We are looking into the emission tubes, we are trying to find out what tubes we need for each year(93-97) and were they need to be located.

Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

I have MAC headers on my car now, so if you need pictures or measurments let me know.

Im interested in gettting LT's for my car. Can you send me some info on it?:D :D

The 1st batch should be ready within 2 weeks. The 1st batch will not have the emission tubes. We are looking into the tubes. We need to find out the loction on every year from 93-97 before we can add the option to the headers(sorry).

Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

Originally posted by JetHot Coating
The 1st batch should be ready within 2 weeks. The 1st batch will not have the emission tubes. ............

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Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

Sounds good. If you are seriously taking orders for the first batch, add me to the list. I'll take a Y pipe as well. Motor is comming out this week and I'll need them for when it goes back together. Thanks,

~John

Originally posted by Central PA Z
Sounds good. If you are seriously taking orders for the first batch, add me to the list. I'll take a Y pipe as well. Motor is comming out this week and I'll need them for when it goes back together. Thanks,

~John

I will take orders now for anyone who is interested in the headers. PLease email your name,address and phone number.I will contact you when the headers are ready. I will be putting a post up to let everyone know when they are ready. Anyone who emails me will get the headers 1st. Jet Hot doesn't have a Y pipe option yet. We are working on a Y pipe and a Y pipe with cats., it won't be ready till sometime near the summer.

Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

Originally posted by JetHot Coating
I will take orders now for anyone who is interested in the headers. PLease email your name,address and phone number.I will contact you when the headers are ready...........
Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

Thanks Chris. I sent you an E-mail already this morning but I forgot to ask you where I could get a Y pipe to mate if you are making them with a 3 bolt flange?? Guess I could have one made although I'd rather buy one if possible. I'm sorry I can't wait for your Y pipe to come out. Thanks again.

EDIT: Errrr.......I keep forgetting stuff. BTW, I have a '94 camaro.

~John

I haven't been in this forum for quite some time though I do remember talk of a Jet-Hot LT1 long tube header so this is rather exciting for me.

I will be going to a fully emissions legal blower motor within the next 18 months so until now, I was dreading having to drop 1200+ on a set of FLP's.

I would just like to express further interest in a set with EGR/AIR fittings as well as a ypipe with cats. I also certainly hope that ground clearance has been taken into consideration during the design process otherwise my only choice will be FLPs.

Good luck! :)
-Jason

Originally posted by Central PA Z
Thanks Chris. I sent you an E-mail already this morning but I forgot to ask you where I could get a Y pipe to mate if you are making them with a 3 bolt flange?? Guess I could have one made although I'd rather buy one if possible. I'm sorry I can't wait for your Y pipe to come out. Thanks again.

EDIT: Errrr.......I keep forgetting stuff. BTW, I have a '94 camaro.

~John

The header collectors and 3 bolt flange are in the same location as the hookers. The Mufflex Y pipe will work.

Thanks
Chris

Does this mean that ground clearance is the same as the Hookers?

Originally posted by 96TAWS6
Does this mean that ground clearance is the same as the Hookers?

We tried to bring the pipes up towards the car but started having some fitting problems. They are a litte closer but they are very near the same location as the Hooker's.

Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

So what is the projected cost of these puppies, so I can start hiding money from the wife to get myself a set?

Originally posted by LWillmann
So what is the projected cost of these puppies, so I can start hiding money from the wife to get myself a set?


As long as nothing changes, we are looking to introduce the New Jet Hot headers for $493 to the door.


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Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

Let me know when they are for sale! I am interested as well.

Originally posted by JetHot Coating
As long as nothing changes, we are looking to introduce the New Jet Hot headers for $493 to the door.


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Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

Chris is this with the o2's...

when r u going to offer the 3 payment plan? or r u even going to do it on these?

Originally posted by Bilmind
Chris is this with the o2's...


The price includes the O2 bungs installed.

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Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

ahh hurry up I want these so bad hehe. Are you going to post dyno results too??

Originally posted by JetHot Coating
As long as nothing changes, we are looking to introduce the New Jet Hot headers for $493 to the door.


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Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

I am assumimg that this price will include Jet Hot coating, right? Thanks,

Kyle

Pics? And what vodoo-chile said?

Then I'll buy.

Originally posted by vodoo-chile
I am assumimg that this price will include Jet Hot coating, right? Thanks,

Kyle


That is correct.

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Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

Whats up with those dyno numbers from the "test car"?
Did that ever happen yet?

just wonderin

Originally posted by sfGi8nt
Whats up with those dyno numbers from the "test car"?
Did that ever happen yet?

just wonderin


We are working on setting up a car for a dyno test. Untill we finish the headers in production, we won't be able to do a dyno test run.

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Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

Put me down for the first set.. I need some NOW~! :)

Not to be a pain or anything, you've already beat the hooker price and several others, but in the $500 price range still might as well be $5000 for some of us. I see longtube setups for stangs all the time and they're like $250-300 bucks, and i realized something.. they're made of tubes just like the lt1 fbod and every other cars headers are :eek:. I mean it just upsets me that i had to stop modding my car because headers were 500 dollars plus o2 sims plus lt4 knock module plus a 200 dollar y pipe. i already have a catback and there that cost me 270. so let me see

500 headers
275 cat back
200 y pipe
100 o2 sims
+ 35 knock module
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$1110

I mean lets not **** ourselves here this is tubing not a set of victor jr's or something. the cost for these headers amazes me that it can be so high when i paid 60 dollars less than your price (lowest around for long tubes in the f-bod) when my dad needed a set of headers to put a 454 in his 79 pro street malibu.

I think its great that you guys are competing with people who had relitively little competition in this market so far. All i'm saying is that i disagree when everyone calls this a great price. I mean if you're willing to pay 500 dollars for about 20 ft of coated 1 3/4" tubing i've got a bridge i'll sell ya....

It's all about supply and demand. Economics 101. The fact is, there is more Stang interest than F-Bod interest. There are at least 3 different magazines dedicated to the 5.0. I think MM&FF (IIRC) is almost 200 pages. GMHTP? nowhere near and every other month.

Many suppliers competing for the hot market drive the cost down. On our side, there appears to be demand, but it's nowhere near what it is for the Stang, otherwise we would see a lot more advertisers/manufacturers.

I don't know what the production #'s are, but I believe the mustang has outsold the camaro in all of the recent 10-12 years maybe longer. That's my guess and not fact.

Originally posted by WS6T3RROR
Not to be a pain or anything, you've already beat the hooker price and several others, but in the $500 price range still might as well be $5000 for some of us. I see longtube setups for stangs all the time and they're like $250-300 bucks, and i realized something.. they're made of tubes just like the lt1 fbod and every other cars headers are :eek:. I mean it just upsets me that i had to stop modding my car because headers were 500 dollars plus o2 sims plus lt4 knock module plus a 200 dollar y pipe. i already have a catback and there that cost me 270. so let me see

500 headers
275 cat back
200 y pipe
100 o2 sims
+ 35 knock module
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$1110

I mean lets not **** ourselves here this is tubing not a set of victor jr's or something. the cost for these headers amazes me that it can be so high when i paid 60 dollars less than your price (lowest around for long tubes in the f-bod) when my dad needed a set of headers to put a 454 in his 79 pro street malibu.

I think its great that you guys are competing with people who had relitively little competition in this market so far. All i'm saying is that i disagree when everyone calls this a great price. I mean if you're willing to pay 500 dollars for about 20 ft of coated 1 3/4" tubing i've got a bridge i'll sell ya....


Things to be considered when Jet Hot started this project. Jet Hot sells the popular hooker headers(coated) for $580(add $32 for the O2 bungs installed = $612 with the shipping included). We were able to sell the same headers less than a year ago for $545. This can give you an idea of how the prices keep going up. Jet Hot wanted to take the same header but make it better quality and better fit for a better price. After going though several months of research, we were able to get the best price possible. I know that you can buy headers from Summit,Jegs,etc. for $60-80(uncoated), but you get what you pay for(sometimes good and sometimes not). You can also buy expensive headers and still have a fitting & quality problem. I can assure you that the headers cost us a lot more than $80. In conparison to the market, I think the price we are offering is very good. We will offer the headers,fully coated in&out with the sterling silver finish, for $493 to the door. The headers come with the O2 bungs installed. We will also be offering the same headers with the emission tubes in a few months for the 94-97 cars. We are also looking to make an off road Y pipe for the headers and one with Cats also.

On a personal note, I owned a mustang about 10 years ago. I bought long tube headers and h pipe for the car(uncoated). The parts cost me over $700. I didn't consider that cheap. My point is that I know how much adding mods to the car can cost. In order to battle the cost of buying new parts, Jet Hot offers the 2 pay plan to make it easier.

I don't consider your coments evasive , it's been emails like this that startered us thinking on how to sell a better product for a better price.

Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com
:)

Theres only one thing im concerned about.........


getting these headers asap!! :D

If chris can back everything he says about these headers they are well worth it. I had to do some drilling on my SLP headers to get them to fit. Drilling stainless steel is not fun.

How is spark plug access with these new headers?

Chris,

On your last post you said that you will be making the headers with emissions for the 94-97's. Please tell me that is a typeo because what about the 93's? We need love too.

Originally posted by jasycZ28
Chris,

On your last post you said that you will be making the headers with emissions for the 94-97's. Please tell me that is a typeo because what about the 93's? We need love too.

We found that the 93 has a different location for the tubes. We will be making the headers with the emission tube set up for the 93 but it will take a little longer. We need to test fit on that car to make sure the location is correct..

Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

Originally posted by Timberwolf
How is spark plug access with these new headers?

Keeping in mind that we based the headers off the hooker headers, the plug access is about the same. We did try to move the tube a little but we didn't have a lot of room to play with. Our installer though that the LT1 headers were a lot easier to work with compared to the New Jet Hot Ls1 long tube headers.

Originally posted by Timberwolf
How is spark plug access with these new headers?

As longs as it's better than cast iron manifolds and I don't have to take the starter off to get to plug#8 I'll be happy!:D

ok, just thought I would check. My basis for comparison was my old MAC headers, which made changing plugs a 30 minute or less ordeal ;)

any news on available ordering dates yet?

Originally posted by got_hp?
any news on available ordering dates yet?


We were hopping to get the headers in for coating the week of 1/27/03. Due to some delays in the material, it may be the 1st week in Feb.(sorry). I'll keep you posted.

Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

Originally posted by RWDV8CAR
Any new info on the emissions legal LT1 LTs?


As it stands, we will be looking to make the LT1 long tube headers with the Emission tubes in late Feb for the 94-97 cars.

Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

Originally posted by RWDV8CAR
Will they be at same price as non emissions legal? I'm sure they won't, but I had to ask. :)

If not, how much will they be?


yeah, inquiring minds want to know :D

Originally posted by RWDV8CAR
Will they be at same price as non emissions legal? I'm sure they won't, but I had to ask. :)

If not, how much will they be?


The price will be higher for the addition of the tubes. I don't know how much untill we get the final paperwork for the additional material. I will keep you posted as we move closer.

Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

I need a favor...

I(and Im sure alot others) want you people that order the Jet Hots to post up with ypur install experiences once you have them.


let us know how the install went....


I'm pretty sure after seeing the price(and everything else in this thread), that I know who I'll be buying my headers from....it will just be a few months.


97 Z with no emissions hookups, please!!!!!!:D

and a coated y-pipe will be great once the R&D is finished!

i just want to see some pictures. cant you just snap a few of the prototype?..the suspense is killing me!

I'm in for A set as soon as posable.I need to no how to order. My email is r_coey@hotmail.com phone is 1-740-767-2762

Throw me A bone where,when,how, to order.

dropped you an email about a week ago. let me know when they are ready. Thx.

Originally posted by 1993lt1
Throw me A bone where,when,how, to order.


I would ask anyone interested in the New JetHot long tube LT1 headers to email me at chris@jet-hot.com. Please leave your name,address and phone number. I will contact you when the headers are ready.

Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

Do you guys have an idea of when or if you will make a y pipe that will fit these?

Thanks,
Chad

Originally posted by Red95Formula
Do you guys have an idea of when or if you will make a y pipe that will fit these?

Thanks,
Chad


We don't have a target date yet, but Jet Hot is looking to make an of road Y pipe and a Y pipe with Cats. It will be a few months before they are ready(spring/summer?).

Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

cant wait

ttt

for jet hot

What's the current news on these?

how about some pictures

Originally posted by ZaneO
What's the current news on these?


I'm sorry it has taken so long. We were held up over a flange for the headers. We received the flanges and we are expecting the headers mid to late next week. Once we have them received, I'll be contact those who already gave thier information to me, then I'll be posting on the board. If there are any questions,please feel free to contact me.

Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com
1-800-432-3379 ext 110

Interested in a set with emissions hook-ups

I would be intrested in a y-pipe for my 94 Z28. I currently have the Hookers, and a pos y-pipe. How much do you think the y-pipe would be? Let me know before I order a Mufflex. lol.

Patrick

i would be interested in a set of emissions hooks-us.

Sounds like a great deal! I've been looking at headers quite a bit lately. If you can do a long tube set for around 550 coated WITH emmissions I'll buy them. I'd possibly prefer the o2 bungs inboard I think though.
They do need to be 1 3/4.
A slip fit is good with me.
I want a true dual set up so I won't be interested in a y pipe. I want the emmissoins though since I don't want to deal with software to clear a SES light from not having air or egr after I foot the money to buy headers and the rest of the exhaust.
Thanks
:D

Originally posted by 95loveaffair
I want the emmissoins though since I don't want to deal with software to clear a SES light from not having air or egr after I foot the money to buy headers and the rest of the exhaust.
Thanks
:D



If you've got a 95(just guessing by your board name), then you won't get a SES light if you remove the EGR or AIR system.

If you've got a 95(just guessing by your board name), then you won't get a SES light if you remove the EGR or AIR system.

Yep it's a 95. That's good. I thought I would but I guess that's reserved for the obd2 systems?! I think I'll still wait for these headers when they come out. Save the trouble of dumping stuff I'd loose if I ever decided to sell the car and needed it to be emmissions legal. So any way my reply here is a little off topic, but I think it just goes to show how/why some people will want emissions compliance.

Jet Hot,
My car is lowered and I want long tubes. If the ground clearance for these turns out to be the same as the Hookers, I'm probably just keeping my shorties because the FLP's are too expensive.
I hear the slip fits are more ground clearance friendly. Clearance pics on a test car would be good. I'm looking forward to seeing these in production, and I'm sure your supply will be limited initially with a price like that. Good luck.

JR

Sorry I haven't been able to reply to all the questions, we had a server go down last week. It was repaced late yesterday. The New Jet Hot LT1 long tube headers are based off the same design as the Hooker LT1 long tube headers(with a few modification for a better design and a lot better quality). The 3 bolt flange and the collector are in the same postion/location as the Hooker headers. The Mufflex Y pipe will work with the Jet Hot LT1 long tube headers(we made sure the set up was the same for that reason). JetHot is in the process of designing an off road Y pipe and a pipe with Cats. It won't be ready for about 2 months.

The Jet Hot long tube LT1 headers will hang in the same postion as the Hooker headers.

Just as an update, we are happy to say we have confirmation that we will receive the headers this Friday. All the people who have already contacted me for the headers, I will be calling Friday and Monday to take your orders. After the orders are taken, I will be posting on the board. If anyone has any questions,please feel free to call or email me.

Thanks
Chris
1-800-432-3379 ext 110
chris@jet-hot.com

Chris, will you be offering the 2 or 3 payment plan option with the headers?? Cant wait to get a set. Thanks.

~John

Originally posted by Central PA Z
Chris, will you be offering the 2 or 3 payment plan option with the headers?? Cant wait to get a set. Thanks.

~John

We will be offering the 2 pay plan option.
Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

Dyno numbers soon, please!!:D

Originally posted by ZaneO
Dyno numbers soon, please!!:D


I know this isn't good, but we do not have any dyno numbers yet. We do have a pan for the dyno test, but it may be a few weeks. I can say that the headers, since they are a simular design as the Hooker headers, should run simular numbers. We are hopping for a little better due to the fact that the tubes are closer to being true equal length headers.

Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

All you guys that were interested in a set of the headers if they come with emissions hookups (Air & EGR) well they have those! I ordered a set with emissions hookups so if you were delaying for the emissions, then nows the time to order!

Do you have any pics on the test car??and or alone?? How much do you think the y-pipe with cats would be??? Thanks
Derek

I don't know a lot about headers but I am looking into getting a set and putting them on over my winter break. Everyone says LT's are the best, but the problem is emissions. I live in Virginia and my car has to pass. Also, Jet Hot's coating seems to be the best without a doubt. So if you made some LT's that had a decent price, could be installed without welding, and were emissions legal, they would be my first choice.

you can pass emissions with lts and emmissions hook ups you know if you just have a sniffer.

Originally posted by JetHot Coating
As it stands, we will be looking to make the LT1 long tube headers with the Emission tubes in late Feb for the 94-97 cars.

Thanks
Chris
chris@jet-hot.com

What about the '93 cars??
Also, I'd like a little more info about the "payment plan" Thanks.

Did anyone notice the date before bluemaggots post, It was in Feb. Jet-hot has already started producing them.

Originally posted by '93 formy ...
What about the '93 cars??
Also, I'd like a little more info about the "payment plan" Thanks.

We now have the Jet Hot LT1 long tube headers with the emission tube fittings in stock.

The two pay plan is very simple. You would pay 1/2 the total and Jet Hot ships the parts to you. The following month,on the same date, we charge the balance. The 2 pay plan would be the same total as paying all at once.

Thanks
Chris
1-800-432-3379 ext 110
chris@jet-hot.com

Now if only the driver's side collector didn't come out right in front of the trans. crossmember :) Had to do some modifying and re-inforcing to the trans. crossmemer to make this work. I've installed three sets so far. That is my only "complaint". So far I'm the happiest with the TPIS units because they go in alot easier and use 3/8 bolts. Yours are nice quality though..just wish I didn't have to mess with the trans. crossmember.