lt1 beats mercedes

i couldnt believe it. i am driving down the road minding my own business and i pass a CL 500. i pay no attention and make my next right turn. i see in my mirror this guy come flying around the corner and chase me down. we are rolling next to each other and come up to a light. i really dont know the first thing about the mercedes at this point so i let him go first. scooter floors it. after he is about 3/4 of a car ahead i put it to the floor. the ass end brakes loose / grabs and by the shift to third i am ahead maybe 2 cars. we meet at the next light. again skippy wants to go but this time i am ready. i bring it up to 15 / 1600 and get on it just enough to not loose traction. by the shift to 3rd its more like 5 cars (maybe 6 or 7).

i looked it up on the net and they only make 300 Hp at the crank. its not a great kill but my 10K lt1 was much much faster than the rich guy in the 80K CL500. and he chased me down. hopefully sparky learned a little respect for good ol american muscle.

david

great kill...i hate rich people!!

great kill...i hate rich people!!

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this is fun who's next...

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this is fun who's next...

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Don't hate rich people. If they are smart enough, or lucky enough to make a bunch of money, then hooray for them. I hate cocky people, regardless of how much they make, or what they drive.

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great kill...i hate rich people!!
He's redneck...enough said

Yeah the CL 500 uses the relatively low performance 302hp 5 liter V8, n/a... for a car that weighs 4100 pounds I wouldn't expect too great of performance.

I wasted one of those less than a year ago in my GS400 (roughly the same power output but weighs 500 pounds less.

The only people who typically buy the 500s are those who don't care a bit about performance or can just barely afford the 85k dollar new price tag anyhow.

For those who like performance with a higher budget there's the CL55 and CL65 AMG models... 604hp 738tq in stock form. Yeah... you better be driving in a C6 Z06 if you want to show one of those your tail lights from a dig. :cool:

great kill...i hate rich people!!

dont we all want to be rich people?? i sure as hell do.

david

my turn


wtf :confused:

I'd watch yourself on the highway with one of those, the top end feels really strong and you know what happens to the LT1 at the top end.

I'd watch yourself on the highway with one of those, the top end feels really strong and you know what happens to the LT1 at the top end.

Yep... weight doesn't matter nearly as much at highway speeds as it does from a stop - aerodynamics, gearing, and power are the main players in the higher speed races. I can pull an LT1 with my GS400 from about 80mph on up to both car's top speeds, but from a stop I'm at a noticable disadvantage.

Yep... weight doesn't matter nearly as much at highway speeds as it does from a stop - aerodynamics, gearing, and power are the main players in the higher speed races. I can pull an LT1 with my GS400 from about 80mph on up to both car's top speeds, but from a stop I'm at a noticable disadvantage.
wtf? :confused:

I can pull an LT1 with my GS400 from about 80mph on up to both car's top speeds, but from a stop I'm at a noticable disadvantage.
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I'd watch yourself on the highway with one of those, the top end feels really strong and you know what happens to the LT1 at the top end.

I raced one on the highway twice, the guy did about the same thing. I passed him normally then I guess I hurt his lil feelings. I put the beat down on him hard from 65mph up to the 100's.

I have won many races were according to "top end" theory from a roll I should have lost. SRT4, LS1, Cobra, Lightning. I think the LT1's top end deserves a bit more repect than what it usually gets.

-Dustin-

Yes, people act like the LT1 only makes power up to 2500 RPM.

:lol:

Bring it, bitch.;)

I'm positive I can take a stock LT1 on the highway. In fact I've done it.
And I've owned both vehicles.

So I guess, ya know, you don't have to take my word for it, but I think might be a bit more qualified than you to answer that question.:)

Good kill dude.Threxx we are gonna have to get together in Memphis one day on the interstate and see what happens.

Bring it, bitch.;)

I'm positive I can take a stock LT1 on the highway. In fact I've done it.
And I've owned both vehicles.

So I guess, ya know, you don't have to take my word for it, but I think might be a bit more qualified than you to answer that question.:)
First of all, no.
Second of all, I can count on 1 hand how many times I've been pulled by a "sports sedan" on the freeway, and I don't even need to use any fingers. Even when my car was mostly bolt-on free, I never had a problem with that car. I can't say specifically the GS4 or whatever, although I am 100% certain that more than 1 Lexus has gotten familiar with my taillights. It was even worse at the track.

How many passes at a track have you made in your car? Do you have any times? How about a trap speed? When I was a Catback + CAI only car, I trapped 102. Judging by your other posts about your experiences with Fbodies, I'd say you picked up a crappy one. Unless you bought it brand new, you have no idea what was done to it before it was in your hands. I can tell you for sure that if these cars aren't maintained they fall to **** REAL fast. You have to admit that there is a strong possibility that the car you owned was a DOG.

If you're ever in the area, I'll show you what a full bolt on LT1 is like up top, from any speed you wanna go. My best trap is 106.01.

Well you might wanna consider that weight has almost no effect at high speeds, especially considering their's only 150 or so pounds difference between my car and an LT1.

So the main factors are gearing:
advantage my car when compared to an A4 at high speeds, when compared to an M6 I lose the advantage
Aerodynamics:
My car has a .28 Cd, though greater frontal area, all in all it works out to be about even or slightly in my favor from calcs I've done in the past
Power:
I've got the slight advantage there as well (300hp, 325tq)

So maintain denial all you want but it's completely possible.:)

Good kill dude.Threxx we are gonna have to get together in Memphis one day on the interstate and see what happens.

Sure thing... I guess it'd be the easier than driving to cali.:p

Heck... if you wanna meet up at Memphis motorsports park I'll do that too... but the large majority of that race would be under 80 where you have the advantage so I doubt I could pull a win (especially since you've got mods), although we might be able to see if you can continue pulling on me in the higher mph range.

Yeah we will have to get together some time and see how it goes.

yea...he's been walking around with a chip on his shoulder for a long time now. he even has a link to a lexus vs. camaro video in his signature! :lol:

Yeah I put the video in my sig because I've had this discussion once before and even asked if anyone in the Memphis area with a stock or lightly modded LT1 wanted to run - I'd run on the track and on the highway and do it on video if wanted. I got some people who acted like they were up for it but when we got to PMs and I tried to set something up they got cold feet.:think:

I've ran my car twice ever and only managed a 14.7 @ 97 - we've got a pretty slow track here, though. I still don't think I'd keep up with a properly driven LT1... that's why I'm saying after 80 I'll pull.:)

No disrespect man, but the guy who hosted that video even said that the guy in the Lex got a major jump on him, and said he was reeling him in toward the end, but the race was over. I'm having a hard time trying to figure out how you're getting that you will pull an LT1 over 80. I just don't see it happening. Oh, and its commonly been noted that all LT1's have been the same exact motor since it debuted in the Corvette, with an even 300HP, 325TQ. Though on a far smaller scale, the LT1 was also underrated from the factory like the LS1.

Trapping 97 != stock LT1 trap speeds, auto or manual. What were other LT1's trapping at your track? Even at the crappy track I used to go to at ~4000 ft. I never trapped lower than 99.

No disrespect man, but the guy who hosted that video even said that the guy in the Lex got a major jump on him, and said he was reeling him in toward the end, but the race was over. I'm having a hard time trying to figure out how you're getting that you will pull an LT1 over 80. I just don't see it happening. Oh, and its commonly been noted that all LT1's have been the same exact motor since it debuted in the Corvette, with an even 300HP, 325TQ. Though on a far smaller scale, the LT1 was also underrated from the factory like the LS1.

Trapping 97 != stock LT1 trap speeds, auto or manual. What were other LT1's trapping at your track? Even at the crappy track I used to go to at ~4000 ft. I never trapped lower than 99.

I have yet to see a completely stock LT1 hit 100 or above at my track, actually... low 14s is the best I've seen. High 14s is very common. Some low 15s here and there when the car isn't running right or the driver isn't too hot.

Again, I'm not saying it's necessarily competetive in the 1/4-mile, while I have seen plenty of stock LT1s run times as slow or even slower than mine, I'm sure I just haven't seen the right driver yet. Most of the magazines and 'good' racers on 'good' tracks with 'good' conditions in GS400s and GS430s (there is no performance difference between the two at all; actually some say the 400 is a hair quicker) will run 14.0-14.3 @ ~99-100. But have I run that? No, so I won't claim it. Do I see stock LT1s trapping consistant 13.9s and 14.0s at my track? No. So I won't claim it either.

I guess what I'm getting at is my car ran slower than it was "supposed to" according to magazines and internet times, but then again so have most of the f-bodies, SRT4s, etc that I've seen run at our track, so I would take my 14.7 with a grain of salt.

Good kill dude.Threxx we are gonna have to get together in Memphis one day on the interstate and see what happens.

BTW, PM me if you want to set something up and we'll do it.:)

i hammered a rich kid in one of those ( i think it said 500 sl possibly) he messed with me all through a work zone were traffic was heavy at best and 3 lanes was cut to two. all the sudden no more work zone ,no more traffic , 3 huge flat lanes and sucker, it on! 3 times i let him pull next to me and 3 humilitations with the last pull having done a personal best top speed of 145 mph with more rpms left

We can meet at midnight madness if you want sometime. Just let me know what is good for you or how you wanna run?

Why would you want to race some sedan anyway :confused: Im sorry, but that like racing a pickup truck cause bubba says hes faster. Maybe its just a personal preference thing. And if this guy wants to go fast looks like he went to the wrong dealership back when he bought his family sedan. Laughable man!

Why would you want to race some sedan anyway :confused: Im sorry, but that like racing a pickup truck cause bubba says hes faster. Maybe its just a personal preference thing. And if this guy wants to go fast looks like he went to the wrong dealership back when he bought his family sedan. Laughable man!


Very good point.

Why would you want to race some sedan anyway :confused: Im sorry, but that like racing a pickup truck cause bubba says hes faster. Maybe its just a personal preference thing. And if this guy wants to go fast looks like he went to the wrong dealership back when he bought his family sedan. Laughable man!

Most bubbas in pickup trucks would be in the 16s and 17s...

If I lost to a stock or near stock LT1, at high speed especially, you are well aware that it would be by a relatively narrow margin. Not like when you show bubba for the first time that just because he has 4x4 and a loud exhaust note that doesn't mean he can actually hang with an f-body (yes I had to do that a couple times too when I had my Z28).

And I didn't buy my GS4 to race. I bought it to be a reliable and comfortable daily driver that was fast and sporty enough to keep me happy.

This whole topic came up a year ago when somebody said he raced one twice and got beat and everybody was up in arms (just like now) about how that couldn't be possible. I just came in and said "well, I've got one and I don't think I would win off the line, but it'd be close enough". Then all hell broke lose and I became the target.

So you know what's laughable? The fact that people are so unwilling to accept that a 300hp sedan could possibly be quick enough to hang with an f-body... just because it's got a luxury brand on the hood and 4 doors instead of 2.:)

We can meet at midnight madness if you want sometime. Just let me know what is good for you or how you wanna run?

I've never been to midnight madness... what's the difference between it and test-n-tune? Unfortunately that's not going to let us get a high speed run in, but I understand that's illegal and dangerous so we may never get to try that out.

as a former owner of a then new 2002 c230 i can say the benz is all about the ride, comfort, and quiet interior...

as for not racing a 4 door... most people don't look @ my 11.8 @ 122mph (98mph in the 1/8 mile) galant as anything other than a nice looking 91 galant... heck it even has pirelli p6000 tires on it (and ran @ the track with them on it, with full interior)... so there are no dead give-a-ways that it's fast... this "stealth" allows me to pick who i want to race :)

next year i hope to run 10s with the boost turned up from the 25psi it was on to get into the 11's... the car has no cage so i'm going to get booted...

Well I would hope a ~60k luxary sedan could keep up with one of the best bang for the buck cars ever stock for stock. In the end, both cars are at opposite ends of the spectrum, and you will have complete different buyers/drivers in each. We all love to race, no matter what we are in!

Well I would hope a ~60k luxary sedan could keep up with one of the best bang for the buck cars ever stock for stock.
I assume you're talking about my car since the Mercedes is a coupe and costs more like 85k, but my car new was just under 50k, although I bought it used w/ 30k miles on it from a wholesaler for a nice chunk o' savings.:D

Speaking of price, the LT1 Vette, when new, cost right around what my car cost when new, and it's still not that much faster than the LT1 f-body, it just handles better, has more features, and is built a little better. So for the extra $$ you really aren't getting much extra speed.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. Heck... the next car I get I plan to be a C5 or C6 - I want one BAD.:D But I guess I'm just saying that paying twice the $$ for a doesn't always equate to it being faster. There's plenty of other desirable qualities that a car can gain as its price point increases. I guess it's just a question of whether you care about those qualities or not as to whether you'd even consider it worth the price.

In the end, both cars are at opposite ends of the spectrum, and you will have complete different buyers/drivers in each. We all love to race, no matter what we are in!
Yup... I agree. Heck, back when I had my 1990 Ford Taurus I used to race people all the time.:D I lost 19 out of 20 times, but it was still fun and that's why I wanted to race, not because I thought my car was 'intended' to race. But just because I could.:D

I've never been to midnight madness... what's the difference between it and test-n-tune? Unfortunately that's not going to let us get a high speed run in, but I understand that's illegal and dangerous so we may never get to try that out.


Midnight madness is just like test&tune but run on Friday night at like 10 i believe.

Midnight madness is just like test&tune but run on Friday night at like 10 i believe.

Cool, let me know when ya wanna.:)

Not to get back on track or anything, but also watch out for the E55 AMG...I know they are 80K, but I've got a friend (old retired car guy, who always wanted a Mercedes and also has an LPE Corvette) who just got one and went 12.30s @ 117 bone stock with the temp tag still on. There's also a local guy to MD who runs one in the 10.90 range. Call them what you want, but its pretty cool to see a luxo 4000 lb touring car doing 10s. I can think of better ways to spend 80K, but I'm never going to have that problem...

--Alan

Why would you want to race some sedan anyway :confused: Im sorry, but that like racing a pickup truck cause bubba says hes faster. Maybe its just a personal preference thing. And if this guy wants to go fast looks like he went to the wrong dealership back when he bought his family sedan. Laughable man!

i ran it becuase he chased me down and he started it. wa wa wa. plus i had no idea which mercedes was fast and which was slow. now i know to watch for the amg.

david