Gauging Interest: Lambo

First, please no flames or arguments in this thread, the lambo look is obviously a love/hate modification, so I would only want truly interested people to respond.



If you could buy bolt-on hinge kit, that required no modification to the car other than drilling two holes under the door panel that would never be seen, and painting them to match, (powdercoating to be offered down the line) would you buy a set?

Current prices for the lambo hinges on popular sites range from 2,000-3000$ and are universal kits, which require body modifications to the fender and mirror.

My kit if sold would be around 350-500$ and be completely bolt-on, and manufactured from heavy gauge steele.

I have the first 3 units produced, and 3 very happy customers. I'm thinking about mass producing the kits based on the shockingly great response I've gotten.

I was tired of wishing I had the doors, and annoyed that they were so expensive and a hassle to obtain. So, I took my southern engineering degree, and made my set. I was approached constantly until I made 2 more sets, and refined the desighn to near perfect. Now, I'm thinking with all my new emissions expenses, I can offset the hit with some kit sales. I would probably like to arrange a group order if interest was high enough.

Regards,

-Bone-

PS: The kit includes 2 hinges, 4 struts (gas), hardware, and instructions. I would also offer 24/7 tech help for those that arent skilled enough to do bolt-on mods and still want the look.

Hinges ? No.

A real kit ? Yes

ive seen some kits on a mustang that were just hinges..it turned out pretty good. I would be interested..but i would like to see some pics of the product..and some pics on a car.

hmpm..........do you have pics?

pu12en12g: You want a lambo body kit? Sorry, all I have are the bolt on hinge kits to do the conversion.

99TransAmWS6: That's understandable, but due to the nature of my product being bolt-on, I'm not supplieng pics of the actual desighn until the time I decide to start making them on any scale. Now pics on a customers car, thats no problem. All involved practically whined to let their cars be "cover models". But I won't go to all the effort unless I feel that It would be purchased. This is the main forum I'm asking, because of all the good members, but I will be asking a few more for input.

stang_killa94: As mentioned above, if interest is high enough, I will do this the correct and proffessional way, I have webspace waiting, and people to do lay-out and code the shopping software for orders and the like. I aspire to JasonD's success.

So does everyone involved think the price is fair?

You need pictures asap, or else good luck selling your product:confused:

Originally posted by Bone Daddy
pu12en12g: You want a lambo body kit?

No... I want the automated door kit with the gas charged lift shocks.

pu12en12g: Then your in luck, mine come with the struts, or if it was asked for enough and still be cost conscious I'd offer the electric.

When I say "kit" I mean 4 struts, 2 hinges, all the hardware, and instructions. It wouldnt be bolt on w/ just the hinges. And they wouldn't work anyway.

MikeStank: Like I mentioned above a few times, I would provide them if enough people were interested, but all Ive gotten so far is a fair response to just wanting pictures, noone is giving me "Yes the price is fair, and if it was well constructed I most likely would" If you just want pics of the look, there are plenty of generic pictures on this forum floating around. If I get plenty of response I'll have the photoshoot, build the website, and build from there. Getting pictures of the kit in the planning phase of my specific kit would be redundant in a way. I'm for now, just trieng to see how many people would consider buying them. Thats how I know my possible market share.

well from being in a business where i have to sell using pictures, I know you wont' get any serious potentials without showing something. How can we take you serious when you aren't willing to be serious. Pictures are very important my man in selling a product. How can anyone say the price is fair when we dont' know what it looks like? Honestly, that price is awsome, but without pictures i dont' know what it will look like, what the quality of your work is, ect..

Would the door open like pop out first, then swing up (like that Cobra), or swing open like that Decah kit? I would like a picture as well, but I like the idea.

make a smoke machine to be built in so everytime you opened the doors you get a cool smoke effect like on Back To the Future!:)

I think the price sounds very resonable. I'd even consider a set or two for myself :D

Also, just a reminder so there are no problems and hard feelings later down the road, if you get close to producing these and want to sell them on the site then please get in contact with JasonD and talk to him about your ideas! Thanks!

Can you get a pic of the door open without showing the kit? I guess they dont open straight up, but up and away from the car at the same time?? Do they end up looking like this? (http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c3/mirage//miscpics/545door1.jpg)

Also: Is there any catch like the window must be rolled down to get in and out of the car easily or just to open the door?

Originally posted by Bone Daddy
I have the first 3 units produced, and 3 very happy customers. I'm thinking about mass producing the kits based on the shockingly great response I've gotten.

Need pics ASAP in order to take u seriously.

Sorry but many have made similar claims before in various F-Body forums.

Originally posted by pu12en12g
Need pics ASAP in order to take u seriously.

Sorry but many have made similar claims before in various F-Body forums.

There you go.......i was trying to find a way to word it but you said it perfectly

MikeStank: Again, I havent decided to sell them yet, I'm not trieng to sell them currently. The information I'm wanting can be had w/out my personal pics. Other people before and after you have had no problem, so I don't know what to say other than what I already have? And since you havent given me anything near a yes or no, I'll have to just end with this.

z28sinx: Some kits swing out full width, then up. I didn't really see the point of that. My kit can be opened normally, or when opened it opens slightly, then rises. The motion is a bit hard to describe, but entry is a snap and you never have to worry about banging someone else's doors at the store.

z28marine: While that's one of my favorite movies, the "professor Emmit smoke option" probably wont ever be produced, I'm sorry for any inconvienence this causes. :lol:

Brent94Z: Good to hear from you brent, your one of the guys I'm trieng to pattern after. If I do decide to sell them, then I would contact Jason or Chris in advance. But I would sell them on my site, and take orders there. I don't want to burden this place with all my troubles.

I have to say just like locally the people here are surprsing me. So so far thats 2 people with a firm "yes" and 3-5 with "if the product was visibly appealing" That's what I'm seeing anyway. I still want more opinions though. This would be a big project to add to my plate, and I'm not doing it until I'm sure the demand would be worth it. Of course you can always come to Tenn and have me install a set.


:)

I can only say again.. I want a yes/maybe/no. I am not planning on selling them now, I want to know if people like them and would buy them. I don't care if other people have claimed this or not. I have my doors, as do my friends, I just wanted to know if there would be a market for them or not. I can tell with all the pic requests, one last time believe what you wish, but no pics until I get some descent feedback and decide to sell. If this is a problem, I'm sorry, this is how I'm doing it. Other people have made threads asking if we'd buy a-pillar pods, and corvette bumpers w/out pics, and nothing was said, and feedback was precise and to-the-point. Barbs suggesting I'm a fraud wont get you anything. Like I said I'm happy, I have my doors. :)

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Yes the doors on that vette look eerily similar to the stance of mine.

ok then............Yes i want it

Do the windows need to be rolled down for the door to open upward? Would kits be the same for 93-02 camaros? For a door to open up, i guess all stock hinge is removed? If the kit looks good, works properly, is priced right and there actually is no major sawing of my car i would really like to have this kit.

stang_killa94: I'll count you as the third "interested person".

sic-v6: (A) The windows do not have to be touched at all for the door to raise, it's opened/closed just like the normal door, but in this case it swings up instead of out. (B) Yes, the kit is a bolt-on from 93-02. I havent tried them on a third gen yet, but I would consider going in that direction also, if the fourth gen kits did well. (C) The stock hinges are both removed, and discarded. The hinges take the place of both. All you need to do for the install, is to remove the door and the door panel, drill two holes for the support bracket in the door (under the panel, out of sight), and bolt the new lambo hinge onto the Jamb. After that, it's just a matter of attaching the struts, door panel, and then adjusting the door alighnment. Total job would take about 3 hours for a first timer. I'll have to let a friend reinstall mine to get an average for that. But each time it's taken me about an hour or less per door.

At your proposed pricing, and the looks are all you say, then yes, another seriously interested..........

At that price if it comes out looking good I will buy the kit on the spot.

You can count me as the 5th interested person.

But I'm going to be honest some things bother me, particularly what CamaroCasanova said in this post here (http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50204&perpage=15&highlight=lambo%20doors&pagenumber=1), about our doors being very heavy and how expensive it is to do right. Not questioning your skillz but it sounds too good to be true. But I still give you props for getting it done.

Originally posted by Bone Daddy
I have my doors, as do my friends, I just wanted to know if there would be a market for them or not. I can tell with all the pic requests, one last time believe what you wish, but no pics until I get some descent feedback and decide to sell.

Well I'm calling you out.. and yes the history behind it DOES matter, because F-Body people are getting ripped off on Ebay everyday by claims like this.

This is the appearance forum. Post pics. No one is asking for detailed schematics :p

Yes I have doubts that you have the product already functioning on 4 cars. Why ? Because I would have heard about it by now. If I am wrong go ahead and post pics to prove me wrong ;).

Either way, the pics should help sell the product so whats the big deal ? We have already seen the Decah pics.

Scissor or Jack-Knife Doors Analyzed

Door Weight & Structure

Fully assembled Lambo doors are about 65lbs or so. If you are converting an existing car, making a fiberglass copy of your doors would help. I wouldn't use Lexan instead of the normal window glass because of DOT street legal rules and scratch easily. However, they do have plastic coatings that prevent this. I know many of you are worried about structural support and impact bracing when using fiberglass doors. First of all, you can use Kevlar in your fiberglass layup. It has a tensile strength of about 44,000psi and should make your door very strong and light. I've seen it run around $35 per sq yard in some catalogs. Secondly, depending on the clearance you have between your window glass (when rolled down) and your door skins, you should also attach support framing - usually the easiest is square-tubed mild-steel stock. Two bars across the middle act as intrusion bars and the end attach to the steel in the door frame. All of this combined can result in a door much stronger than you would find on any mass production car bought today.

Door Geometry

I think the biggest problem to convert an existing door will be the door's shape. On very square doors, the bottom corner may hit the pillar when it tries to rotate upward. There are a few work-arrounds for this. You might be able to find hinges that throw the door forward as it rotates up. You can see this on the new Cadillac concept car as well as the car pictured here. Otherwise, you may also use another hinge setup that pops the door ******d before rotating it up.

Door Hardware

All you really need is a single hinge and a strut. I've heard that Volvo tailgates, mid 90's Pontiacs, and Ford Explorer lift gates provide good salvage yard struts. For a specific strut contact RV shops in addition to the normal strut mnfrs. You will need to know your compressed and extended lengths as well as the force required, which will be more than the door's weight (especially if you locate the strut at some weird point). If you won't be using struts, there are other mechanical and hydraulic options but they will cost you more as well.

Sources for Hinges

There are a few Lamborghini kit car companies that provide hinges for about $100-150 a piece. If you can get them to sell to you, then you're better off than most people. Otherwise, you can try the Additional Links at the bottom.

Determining the Correct Strut Specs

This method uses more experimentation than analysis. I will try and come up with a more mathematical solution and will post that when it's ready.

Equipment Required:

Tape measure
Pencil or crayon to mark on door and body
A helper strong enough to hold the door at the vertical position
Scissor hinges which you will use (this is strongly recommended but not required)
A produce-type hanging scale. You could construct a crude version using a rope, pulley, and some counter weights (like from a dumbell set).
Procedure:

First, you should mount the door on the proper hinges. For a door mounted conventionally you should take it off of its hinges and position it in the door jamb so it is free to rotate up (or out).
From looking at a lot of pictures, the strut is usually mounted on the body about a foot or so down from the hinge. You can use this as a starting point.
The strut's compressed length will be the distance from its mounting point on the body, to the mounting point on the door itself.

[Compressed Length] =
Now rotate the door around its hinge point to the upright position. It is a good idea to have someone help brace it up for you. It will get tricky to hold a 50+ lb door up with one hand while you use the tape measure with the other. Now measure the new distance between the strut mounting points (as in Step 3).
[Extended Length] =
Your length of travel is the extended length minus the compressed length. If your Length of Travel is more than about 40% of your overall length, you will need to move your strut mounting point. The majority of struts will not have a Length of Travel more than this.
[Length of Travel] = [Extended Length] - [Compressed Length]

If the door is empty, attach all of the trim, mirrors, interior, glass, actuators etc. You will need to simulate the weight of the final door. You may use dummy weights but be careful where on their placement. Adding 5lbs to the end of the door versus closer to the hinge will make a huge difference.
Now you will need that hanging scale, or you will need to come up with an alternative. Either way, attach the a hook to your strut mounting point on the door (you found this in Step 3), and pull up to the position you want. The max weight that the scale reads will be your force. The reading might fluctuate depending on the door's position, but it should read the highest when the door is at the closed position. Add about 15-20% to this as a safety margin. You don't want the door to close too easily, plus you should take friction into account and some wear and tear later on, which might degrade the strut's pushing force. Offhand, I know of a '95 civic that was converted and used 175 psi struts. If you don't have a produce scale, I will try to post an alternate method soon. This will not simply be the weight of the door. Leverage is working against you. The closer you mount the strut to the hinge (on the door) the more force it will need to push up. It also depends on the shape of the door and the location of its add-ons.
[Force] =

January 18, 2003

I decided to write a much-needed update to this section since I receive a lot of email from people wanting to add a new door style to their existing car.

"I'd like to order a kit / hinges / struts from you."
Actually, I don't sell any parts or plans for door kits. I also don't have any hands-on experience converting any cars to these setups and I cannot do the conversion for you.

"Do you have any information on door kits for my car?"
No. Sorry, the main purpose of this site is for people who are building their cars from the ground up. This is different than converting an existing car to use a new kind of hinge. When you are designing a new car, you can build the doors around the hinge, which is easier and more reliable. Converting an existing car takes more thought because the doors were designed to open from the side, and not upward.

"I saw your information on eBay."
Yes, for a time there was someone selling information directly copied from this website without my permission.

hey i live in murfreesboro tn and go to knox to see my older sister there all the time. i will purchase a kit from you and advertise it here in murfreesboro at the shows here like slammin jammin. give me a call at 615-869-8747 thanks kenny

if they work/look well I would definately purchase a set

z28sinx: Oh believe me, when I fist had the idea of making something to lift a 70# door above my head, I knew it would have to be done right. The desighn took more than a year to make, so while I'd like to say I whipped it up in a month or so, lol I can't. This whole idea came from me being a cheapskate in the first place, so I made sure it worked and didn't kill me before I even showed it off. And no.. people didnt see it until I chose to, I can open my doors both ways by pulling a pin in the front fender well. I also thought CC had suicide doors? I might be thinking of someone else though.

pu12en12g: (A) That's nice (B) I placed it here because it's where all the other people like Brent and Jason try and get feedback (w/ no pics) I think it's because I'm not a veteran member, that I'm being questioned. I don't mind, but I'm not going to back down, I have no reason to be bullied into anything. (C) Yes, 4 cars including mine, but as I have never heard of you, and none of my friends post here, I doubt that you being all-seeing would make sense? (D) I dont need to help sell the kits, I'm NOT selling them, I'm merely trieng to see if a product was offered, people would buy it. You and one other, are the only ones that don't get this. :lol: In any event, think what you wish, but I will not respond to any more pic requests until I decide to sell, period.

FLIPPINZ28 Great! nice to have some connections, I'm starting to think this can actually happen.

Blue89Bird so that's 7, I'm counting numbskull in as he seems to be passionate about the doors. :p

Well response keeps adding up, I have alot to think about. I'm going to ask about having all the individual parts jobbered to see if I could nail down a more accurate price. I would also have to see how many kits I could produce at one time. I am bowled over I expected to be ricer-flamed off the forum.. thanks for the feedback so far guys.

I think this is "lambo door GP" number 5 since I've been here. The price is right, but as mentioned above it's strange to hear of 4 cars with an outrageous set-up like this and no pics or previous postings.

Not that it's impossible, or that it's never been done... just that it's never been done that cheap (on a 4th gen). I've seen a few customs like this over the years, and yes I'd be in on a set if it pans out... but I need detailed pics, maybe even video to put down the bills. Universal hinges are common place but most of them look like @ss. The vette pic above is pretty nice lookin, but on the flip side there are hundreds of crack-eatin' civics with cheap kits that "flap" out and up to look absolutely rediculous and break easily in the wind.

How much the door swings out vs. up is really the key in my view. Post a dozen pics from a few angles (maybe even from more than one car: a firebird and an camaro perhaps?) and you'll get a lot more interest/response.

Nothing personal mind you, it's just that we've all done this dance more than a few times, and everytime it's from some dude posting pics of someone else's kit saying "its like that" (and it never is). So you can imagine why there are some sceptics.

Steve in Seattle: Understandable, but I havent been here that long to have seen all the others. I don't consider this to be outragous, but heck I'm wierd like that I guess. The reason it's so "cheap" (not sure if I like that word :/ ) is because all the materials can be obtained for a descent price, and mine have a certain "ace in the hole" that allows them to be at a lower price point. And I'm glad they are, it's one of the reasons I didn't buy one from Auto-Loc or the like..

Mine are bolt-on, and far from the generic peices of crap that are universal and need to be modded to work. Most of the universals are made of 1/8 metal. The thickest Ive seen is 3/16.

Good points on the webiste, I was thinking along those lines. I would want to show as much as possible without having the desighn stolen. Im sure after a while I would get copied or whatever, and I cant help that, but I'd like it to be as far off as possible if I do this.

I can also understand the skepticism, which is another reason no pics will be posted other than the site would have. If i decide to sell, I'd redirect everyone there with watermarked pictures. I don't want to be ripped off the same as anyone. But at the same time Ive said 100 times I just want a yes/no/maybe/if, I'm not even sure I want to do this yet, and certian people are acting like I'm trieng to fraud them by just asking there opinion.

Everyone Else: Please, one last time, just tell me if you would buy a good quality kit, for the stated price range. I appreciate all those who have given me straight feedback as requested. Most likely I would need at least 10 kits to consider saying yes. So from this point on, I will only respond to the above. I'm not being an ass, I'm just doing this the way I feel is best for all involved, if this isn't acceptable I'm sorry.

I think it sounds great. I would definately be interested in a set if these end up being made.

yes, i'm interested here

Bone Daddy, I really don't think people are throwing barbs at ya or anything like that. It's just that your price is very reasonable for what it typically takes to do this so it makes people raise an eyebrow. I also don't think people need details or anything like that from what I was reading... just wanting to see a simple pic of your car with the doors up... even if it's a distant picture. LOL! I'd like to see one too... not because I'm questioning your trustworthiness or anything like that but because I just want to see how it looks!

Also, there were a couple guys who live in my little town that took, I believe, about 50 people on eBay selling these "kits" and scamming them. The stories about this and other scams are numerous so that is another reason I think why people are curious and would just like a simple picture.

You are getting questioned on this and people are skeptical because it typically takes much more money to do this that what you are saying the kit will sell for so don't be overly surprised ad the skepticism :D It sounds like you may have found a cost effective way to do this and do it right. If you have and you decide to sell em, I'll most likely buy at least one set and maybe two at that price. :D

I do agree with pu12en12g in that a couple pics would be cool... just to see how far your doors open and the angle and stuff like that :)

Brent's got a good point.....I don't think any of us want to "rip" your design, it's kind of like saying, "Pamela Anderson is out in the car and ready for a night out, you can see her if you tell me your interested in going out first"....LOL......you got us more than curious and interested!.....I think I would start working on that web page if I were you..... :D

For that price, if it would work right, I'm in... :cool:

i'd be dead serious interested if you could produce this for that price.

now that u have ur direct answer, i think you are handling all this pretty crappy. what's so hard about posting a few pics. there's no way i would ever buy something like this without seeing it. there's a million scams out there for this product. i dont' think all the skepticism is because u aren't a long time member but because of the way you are handling yourself. if ur gonna be this way when you decide to start selling then ur in for some poor sales. if you ever actually make the doors, get some pics, and give a crap then let me know.

count me in too if you get some pics before you start to sell

the thing i was wondering is:

in your first post it says 3 kits produced, but later on in the thread you say you have 4 kits produced including yours
wonder why you didnt put that yours had the kit on it in your first post?

I would full on be interested in a kit too.

But, like everyone else, i would need to see some pics of a few different F-Bods, camaro's and trans-ams included, to full on get excited about it and actually purchase one.

But assuming that they looked great, lasted long, were in the projected price range, and had good reviews and was something i could do, then Yes, i would Buy one.

One more for the yes team.

If you will be selling them for that price I am in.But as stated earlier we have been burned before.Most notable with two Corvette tail light panels that have never happened.

Originally posted by ZRAPTOR
If you will be selling them for that price I am in.But as stated earlier we have been burned before.Most notable with two Corvette tail light panels that have never happened.

Did anybody send money for those and never get them??? By "burned/scammed" above I was talking about people who actually sent like around $500 to these jerks and what they got was a regular house door hinge and a hood strut! :eek: Yep, about $10 worth of stuff!

Originally posted by Brent94Z
Did anybody send money for those and never get them???

We came VERY close. Several of us bought the C5 lights to go into the panel.... but now we have no panel for the lights :lol: :p

Originally posted by pu12en12g
We came VERY close. Several of us bought the C5 lights to go into the panel.... but now we have no panel for the lights :lol: :p

Ahh... well... maybe you can get a roof bar and mount them like 4x4 lights or something :D

Originally posted by pu12en12g
We came VERY close. Several of us bought the C5 lights to go into the panel.... but now we have no panel for the lights :lol: :p


Same deal here,I guess what I should have said we have all got our hopes up and nothing ever came out of it.;)

Originally posted by Brent94Z
Ahh... well... maybe you can get a roof bar and mount them like 4x4 lights or something :D

...or sell them on Ebay..

"The official C5 Enthusiast paperweight... no vette owner should pass this up !"

:think: :lol:

I'm with you on that one:D :bow:

wow, alot to reply to, but here goes.


SplitFire: Thanks alot, consider yourself noted.

Z Power: Ditto for you.

Brent94Z: Thanks Brent. I realise it's normal, and with the price and all might seem "scammish", but I'm not even taking orders/Ebay or anything else yet. And yes I realise that pics of my beloved :lol: would help, but I'm getting the info I need without them. Honestly I expected to come here and get maybe 2 half-hearted responses. But, it seems it's the other way around. I'm sorry that some asses have came here and tried to scam. But I doubt they came and merely asked opinion. I appreciate the help in the thread, you make some valid points. I was going to get upset and just keep with the local people, but your post changed my mind.

Blu Beast: It seems that way doesn't it. But in that scenario can we change pamela anderson to Angelina Jolie? mmmm Jolie. Or perhaps a nice ashely Judd? :p

RS Dragster: Thanks! your number 9 I believe.

roadrage912: I do "give a crap" but I need to know if people would buy them. If this angers you, I can't help it.

94YELLOWBIRD: I said I had 3 satisfied customers, therfore 3 kits other than mine. I don't call myself a customer all that often. But to be honest the second car was recently totalled, but my doors didnt do that, a wet road and alchohol did. But I'm rambling..Anyway 4 vehicles total at one time have had the kit installed and no door related problems as of late.

x94_Camaro_Z28x: Great! Read below for some information.

ZRAPTOR: Thanks, again I assure you I will not even hint at selling until I can actually do it.


As for anyone else, wow again I come to the thread shocked. All I can say for now is I need alot more legwork before I can even think of selling on a large scale. I need to find a TA, a Firebird to install them on and do some testing, find a desent source for the 2 main parts, and the metal. I need to find a welder that's willing to do piece work and also get the photos and desighn ready for a website. I would also have to talk to JasonD and Brent, I want to send them a kit and get there opinion before I shipped any out. Instructions, shipping problems, and the like not included, there is literally a ton to do. I work 55+ hours a week, so this was a big descision.

But, as I've already gotten over 10 projected sales, I will now say that after I look at all the factors, and no major problems prevent me from it, I will sell them.

I'm not sure how many I would initially make, that depends on the price/risk involved, but would probably be around 20 or so, then if things went well, a larger batch down the line, or maybe per request on the site.

In any event, keep with the feedback! I'm leaving for Chicago in 2 days for work, so I won't read it for a bit. As soon as I get time tonight, I'll start laying out the foundation for everything. Now I'm not going to give a completion date, as even I dont know. But I will make sure everyone involved knows when the time comes.

And please be patient, I realise the prior situation, but with my work, and the kids, and life in general, I cant drop everything to focus on this. Do it right, or not at all.

Well I'll be the first 'not interested' in the product. I am however interested in a couple other things though.

1) Would love to see pics

2) Would love to know what the big deal is with posting pics of a product that you intend to sell. If I designed this kit and drew a picture in crayola crayons i'd have a better chance of selling them then you will by only providing a slight description. So my #2 desire is to know how you intend to sell a product without a visual interpretation.


Ok, those are my 2 questions.


BTW: I think it's great that your using your education to build something for the F-bod community, I just wish that you had taken some business management classes to go with it. You'd be better off in the long run.

All in all - great job for helping and good luck in your venture.

DarkHorse:

1) You will, again.. when I actually try to sell. I'm just judging interest and seeing if they would even be accepted. A large part of the f-bod community considers them to be rice. How much rice italians eat, I'll never know. So to repeat, I'm not trieng to sell, I just want information.. and it's getting old repeating myself constantly. So from this point on, I will no longer respond to any pic comments. I have made my plan/position clear several times already.

2) I'm not selling (currently), just gathering market info, so there you go. Again, when I do decide to sell finally. I'll choke you with pics and videos as well as a tacky website if that's what it takes.

If I post my pics, this thread will snowball, and everyone will grow impatient in as little as a week, I wont even have the instructions ready by then, people will get panicky even with no money sent, and I'd be branded a fraud. I've seen it before on other car forums. That's why I'm so squeemish about all this, you people make me nervous. :lol: The local people only got them when they bugged me for weeks on end to make them some. It's not that I didnt care, or want to sell them, it's just that I had a full plate even without that. I can't be expected to drop everything to please them, but in there eyes I did. I'm a single father, and just keeping my head above water.. the kit sales might make it easier on me, but only if It doesnt become a hassle.

I appreciate the koodos, I love the F-body and they have been my passion since I was old enough to push a HotWheel. Growing up I couldnt get certain toys, so I'd build a replica. (I can remember a Transformers "Ravage" I carved out of wood with dad) So I have a pattern of odd things like this. I'm rambling again, so once again, thanks. Everyone should get something that they can't afford at least once in their life. :)

if the kit was good quality, i would buy them in a heartbeat. I always wanted lambo doors but i'm not spending 2k for them, however 500 is a lot more reasonable.

(slightly off-topic)

Anybody have an idea for the domain name? Some of my "business advisors" here probably have some good ideas.

:D

well, that depends, are you ONLY going to be selling these, or will you eventually sell other things.

Originally posted by Bone Daddy
(slightly off-topic)

Anybody have an idea for the domain name?

www.lambo-doors-BUT-NO-PICS.com :lol:

Originally posted by pu12en12g
www.lambo-doors-BUT-NO-PICS.com :lol:

comman man, give the guy a break, he's made his intentions pretty clear, he doesn't want to end up like whistler and get chastized for taking so long and breaking promises if something takes longer then expected.

I think you have to figure out if youre only going to offer them for fbodies and take it from there. If you will only use fbodies, then maybe something like fbodydoors.com or something, but if you will eventually end up making them for other vehicles, youre gonna need something that says that. :)

I'd be interested too, my only concern is the quality of the product. Our doors are really freakin heavy. I would prefer some sort of electric assit if i was going to pursue this project, but thats just me

I'M IN!!! I want a set of these ASAP!! so go and make them like now lol. I undersand you aren't selling them yet, and are just looking for responses but i beleive i am the big # 10!! 10X300 is 3,000 bucks, seems like a good amount of money to motivate someone to start producing these :D . I just got a few questions: how far up do they go, angle wise? how hard is instialation. i.e like header hard, cat-back hard, cam hard, or new antenna hard. ;) oh, and i notioced you said you can jsut pull a pin and they can open the regualr way, is this true? if so even better! if you decide to produce these i am deffinitly in, but i think i might just want a peek at a pic, so i know what i am in for :p . you can email me at schearer225@netscape.net when you dicide to go inot production :D -zack

I see a hinge only kit as you state only coming out like one of the two other kits out there already, they will look like this. Yes or no?

http://www.freewebs.com/vixxemgallery/camaro.htm


Although nice, that is not a vertical door kit. It is a butterfly kit made popular by the imports. The only pictures that have been posted of a "true" lambo style kit are the Cardomain car from overseas.

http://www.cardomain.com/id/camaroism

As many others have found out, it is costly to replicate something similar especially when you factor most want a motorized door like the Cobra by Sabraj Ninjar of So. Cal. Formula 1 quotes a price of $5K plus for basic kit, extras include getting shaved door handles and motorized (open and close from remote, both doors) which come to a $10k finished product. I called them after his car hit the interent. I have also got similar quotes as far back as 1999 from reputable people like the guy who built the El Camaro out of a 94 Z28. He owns Classic by Bernt in So. Cal and has done tons of cars featured at Sema and most major magazines outside of that Camaro project.

http://www.oghabib.com/dooranimation.htm
http://www.oghabib.com/index2.htm

If your product is truly as nice and functional as you claim, then pictures will not make people any more impatient than dragging out this thread with none at all. Only if you claim to put anything in production and then not following through like others have would you truly have to worry. If people are going to go out and buy "parts" in anticipation of what might happen without 100% confirmation, then they can blame only their impatient selves. Besides, even if not to sell most people would post pictures to let people drool over such an accomplishment. As always, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

;)

I am extremely interested in this. however, I have heard this is extremely difficult due to the position of the mirrors and the way the fenders flow into them, so I am seriously suspicious without pics.

I'll respectfully change it to Angelina, the lips alone are amazing(but that's another story)........

glad you got more "yea" responses than you thought, I think all of us appreciate the idea of having a unique MOD that we can afford and that's quality!.......you do all that and you've got yourself a nice side business, keep us informed and we'll be right with you......

pu12en12g: Damn you! :mad: I actually laughed at that.. :lol:

Blue89Bird: Exactly! Finally someone who gets it. I don't want to anger/dissapoint anyone with commiting myself fully when it's not possible, and avoid the whole "whistler phenom" and some other scenarios I've seen on my other boards. Good people, trieng to do good things, that end up in bad situations.

Initially they will only be for 4th gen F-bodies, as well, that's all I have. But if the kits did well enough, I'd branch out into 3rd gens and maybe even *gasp* Mustangs. (never tinkered with one, it'd be interesting) So the domain would need to reflect that.

MikeStank: The doors weigh about 75# tops, so yep very heavy. But it's all about the pivot and stress points. My 57 chevy hood weighs around the same and simple springs raise it. Physics, you gotta love it. The struts are more than capable of the task, but if you want an electric version, you'd have to wait even longer. But I have thought about it.

Schearer225: That's alot of questions! Here goes:

1. I believe your the 13th?
2. Actually the "stock" price will hover towards 5, if I can't get the items involved cheaper.
3. The angle of the door jamb to door face is somewhere around 60 degrees, however this can be modified if the owner has the desire.
4. lol, I'd say the simplicity of the installation is "antenna hard" but since you are manipulating a 70# object, that makes it somewhere around the "If I have a friend, it's cat back hard" bracket. :p
5. Yes on mine, I can pull a pin on the lower bracket tang and the doors can be opened both ways. I had to install a kind of "slide flap" in my front inner fender to access it, and the others didn't want this. Which brings me to have to make an options list for the kit when they are ordered. But most likely the first order will have to be all normal kits. If I start taking custom jobs right off the bat, I think I'm in for trouble. But I will be checking into it.
6. See above.

Wraith: wow long post, and yes only "true" style lambo kits are straight up. But most people don't like/want to graft there mirrors onto the door like in the car-domain link. I don't think the doors can be described as "butterfly" they are as similar to that as they are "gullwings", the 3 motions are different in my opinion. Maybe.. if the doors opened out more than they do, but I still don't know. That mod also negates any bolt-on aspects the kit has, and adds expense for something that is not visually appealing over the current style. In other words, a waste of time.

MadKilla: The top link that wraith posted shows that the mirror can remain stock. There's your proof. I never said at anytime the doors went upwards only, quite the opposite.

Blu Beast: A man with taste! I hope so, I just want to make one thing accessable to the community, and help me out financially if possible.

As to the "true door" topic, I could alter the desighn well enough, in fact the mirror mod was what made me change my mind. It's my opinion that the mirror mod would cause people not to buy the doors. I think the mirrors are hideous when grafted to the door. The only way it might not be is if you molded a tear drop ferrari-style mirror where the stock one was. But again, that drives the time, price and hassle up through the roof.

As soon as you show a pic I am in then.

Bone-

A few points of thought.

1) One big problem I know I have is that doing some of these conversions eliminates "stealth". When the door opens only one way, you only get one way. Props to you for making a pin the controlling element. For me, you just stepped your kit above many others. For the price, I'd be in on a set in a heartbeat.

2) Rip offs happen. But wait... did you ever see anyone rip off Bob Bishop's C5 conversion brackets? I'm waiting... Point is if you do your homework, be the guy who'll answer the phone from bed because someone on the other coast is having a panic attack and help them out - you'll gain a reputation. 2ndly providing the sort of attention to perfection that Bob did for his brackets earned him a lot of respect. He posted about looking for custom bolts and asked ARP to do it. When he spec'd em out, the bolts were sent to him and he pretty much reviewed them as garbage. Now we all know ARP makes a great bolt, so hearing how anal retentive Bob was, you really knew he had a passion for this and really wanted it done dead right. You do these things, and people if they rip off, wont succeed because of your reputation and customer service/help.

3) Speed Specialty. They are really cool in that they help with the unique designs and oddball ideas from the forums and make them a reality. If you are worried about legal issues, talk to them, and I bet they could take a lot of flak off you if it seems good for them too. Not to mention they could probably cut amounts out of lead/production time after initial testing was done.

4) To that note, proper QC and Customer support, if it works in both the original and "vertical" method, if it stands up to abuse and time, and you're there supporting me in my efforts and maybe even willing to warrantee a product - I'd pay $600 or $700 if it was really top notch.

5) Make it clear during your process when all is said and done (and document it clearly) that the install CAN be reversed. I would make that mandatory. If it's simply drilling two holes, you might be able to return to stock if you kept those stock hinges. That'd mean if your product broke, atleast they could return to stock and not have to pay $500 or much much more to a shop to fix the chassis.

6) If you do good work and are looking for another test mule away from you (I'd reccomend it, it'd really test your phone skills and knowledge of the product) you'll easily gain piles of support, and you'd get to pick the first gineau pigs. Example - give it to JasonD for free and if he likes it, you're golden :D Or even picking any of the vetrans, knowledged members etc.

So yeah... if it's good, I'm in.

Thanks Geoff, some interesting points you have. Let me try and respond to each.

1) Thanks, the idea came out of nessecity. At the time I was fabbing all this up, my garage had my deceased father's cadillac in one bay, and my 57 project in the other. So I was always outside. After the kit was long finished, and dad's car sold, I decided to start using the garage. Only problem was space was too cramped to open the drivers door as the ceiling was to low to fully extend the doors. So, after a few days of headscratching my first bald spot, I came up with the "floating pivot" desighn on my own hinges. For some reason noone has wanted this as of late. Confusing to say the least. Everything I desighned into my car makes it easy to switch or reconfigure on a whim. The hinges were no different.

2)I feel the same way that Bob, Brent, Jason and all the other top-rate sellers do on the forum, I want the same things they have, and I am overly anal about my work. Sometimes too much, I sometimes go into the garage mid night to check something. Or to scribe out a quick idea.

3) Im definately interested, the company sounds great. You wouldn't happen to have any contact information for them would you?

4) I'd be available during most of the day via the net or phone. I don't see too many problems happening, but I don't doubt I could handle them.

5) Also agreed, thats why when I desighned the kit, I wanted bolt-on instead of fabricated. Just like my bolt on LCA brackets and my adj. PHR, I thought I might change my mind down the line, and want a change. So, I wanted little or no down-time, plus no other kit was a bolt-on.

The instructions and site would have to reflect this. I want to make a installation sticker that the buyers could stick on the underside of the panel so they wouldnt have to worry about losing the instructions, or the any new owner would be able to remove them without confusion.

6) My friend Nathan is going to be my new welder, and also my TA covermodel/lab rat. Of course he's worming a kit out of me. :think: :lol: Now all I need is a FireBird test dummy..

I said before that I wanted to send one to Jason and Brent for there opinion, as I and the forum trust them beyond regard. At least I do. :)

This sounds like it will be really cool, im in if you put it into production. i guess that makes me like what number 15? Cant wait for some pictures or somthin.

Originally posted by zachattack45
This sounds like it will be really cool, im in if you put it into production. i guess that makes me like what number 15? Cant wait for some pictures or somthin.

Ok that makes more than the required 10 so whats next? Pics now or later?

Just when I thought I was done modding the car....and here you come. Make me 16 then if it's sound.

Count me in for a set. :metal:

Count me in.

www.speedspecialty.com

I dont have any contact information - but they are a Supporting Vendor of this site, hence the other reason I mention them. :D
(notice they do stuff for 4th gen fbodies and that's it - a great fit for 4th gen hinges maybe:D ?)

Originally posted by Geoff Chadwick
www.speedspecialty.com

I dont have any contact information - but they are a Supporting Vendor of this site, hence the other reason I mention them. :D
(notice they do stuff for 4th gen fbodies and that's it - a great fit for 4th gen hinges maybe:D ?)

Yes, one of the main reasons they were founded was to bring unusual and custom items (just like this!) to the F-Body community.

I want some!

I want a set for mine too... that's 18? hehe Keep me posted.

I'm in also...#19

I'm interested!

if the price really is that low, then count me in for a set

I will definately buy them too.....now quit your real job and get these damn things made!!!

now that soo many people want them, i'm not so sure i'd want them anymore :D

Yeah, because 19 people with these things in 50 states. You're bound to run into someone with them.

it was a joke:rolleyes:

I think he got scared with all the response... lol. But I think that says maybe contacting speed specialty would be a good idea... I dont want to pressure him and make him not want to do it, because for the price if quality is good it'll be something awesome for the fbody community.:D

And besides that- my passanger side hinge needs some work, they're getting a little worn after these years. :D Maybe a replacement would be a good idea?

I'd buy it if it is as good as it sounds

i would want a set, well make that two, i would buy a set for my dads '02 ws6, if they are really what you claim!!! now lets see the pics....unless you ditched us....

ya theyd be hot on my car so i would be in if they made them right and cheap... you really can't beat that combo

You say that you have them on your car.. Can you not at least post pics of the kit on YOUR CAR... Not necessarily the "mechanism" itself but so we can all see exactly how they open. What they look like visually closed, opening, and opened.

I don't see how this would be a problem.

I agree about posting pics of YOUR OWN car.

Where has he been, he was soo vocal on this thread and now we haven't heard anything

WOuld have to see pics but count me in

Guys.

Like he said, he isn't going to respond to any more pic threads because he has already clearly made his point that he isn't trying to sell them yet. He is seeing who wants them and who doesn't. I'm 100% sure that if/when he decides to sell (which is probably a long time from now) that he will definatly post pictures of the cars he's doing, and his own. You also have to keep in mind he's a single father working 50+ hours a week, he's probably a little busy right now.

I'm sure that when the time is right and he has the resources, he'll put these badass doors into production and let us all know about it. We've all made it pretty clear that we would buy them, some 20+ people have already said so. Of that, probably about 11-13 will actually go through with the purchase... and the rest will follow in time. I say that only because some of us may not have the money later, but will over time. It's something I would definatly save for.

So please just give this guy a break, he's probably more than overwhelmed with all of the feedback he got. And i'm SURE he didn't "ditch" us, he's probably trying to figure out what he needs to do to get his product on the market.

I for one, will wait for him to build these doors when he is good and ready.

Then he should put himself in OUR SHOES.

If I told you there is a new 5th gen camaro. And you had NO IDEA WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.. Would you go out and buy it? No? Why not? Because you have absolutely NO IDEA what it even looks like.

Why would you say will for sure buy something that you have absolutely NO IDEA what it looks like and are basing the entire decision on what is being said..

Here is another thought.. who says that people are not just SAYING they will buy it for sure? He's basing HIS decision on whether to go ahead on mass producing them purely on what is being SAID as are we.

No one here is saying his is a fraud it's very unlikely his would go to all this trouble. But to not even tell us exactly what it looks like, and provide pics of what it would LOOK like installed on the car (the way the doors are, and not the mechanism itself), does not make sense.

you know, i understand that he's not ready to sell them, but that is no excuse why theres no pics if he already has them on his own car. Its no big deal to post a few pics. I'm a wedding photography, how many brides do you think i can sell by not showing pictures. Showing pics would at least remove the doubts i have that this is a joke. He told us to look at other pictures before to get the idea. I need to try that one with my next client.:rolleyes: If i created this, i'd have pics up the same day, even if i wasn't ready to sell.

If he can do it for his estimated amount, that would be awesome. If he has his own machinery then i can see it happening, but to have a machine shop cut and then have them welded. this will have to be some very very very good welds to hold up to the abuse of raising and lowering the doors. Anyone else want to have their 70 pound door break off and smack you in the head while its at its maximum height, fall down and hit off the brand new lexus parked next to you?? My concern with this kit will be strictly quality, so far he hasn't proven anything. A degree in design doesn't mean you can fab something up in the workshop.

I'm not callin him a fraud, yet, i'm just callin him out to put some evidence out

Originally posted by MikeStank
you know, i understand that he's not ready to sell them, but that is no excuse why theres no pics if he already has them on his own car. Its no big deal to post a few pics. I'm a wedding photography, how many brides do you think i can sell by not showing pictures. Showing pics would at least remove the doubts i have that this is a joke. He told us to look at other pictures before to get the idea. I need to try that one with my next client.:rolleyes: If i created this, i'd have pics up the same day, even if i wasn't ready to sell.

If he can do it for his estimated amount, that would be awesome. If he has his own machinery then i can see it happening, but to have a machine shop cut and then have them welded. this will have to be some very very very good welds to hold up to the abuse of raising and lowering the doors. Anyone else want to have their 70 pound door break off and smack you in the head while its at its maximum height, fall down and hit off the brand new lexus parked next to you?? My concern with this kit will be strictly quality, so far he hasn't proven anything. A degree in design doesn't mean you can fab something up in the workshop.

I'm not callin him a fraud, yet, i'm just callin him out to put some evidence out

*Very* good points..

There are reasons why other kits cost thousands of dollars. Not to say he doesn't have the intelligance to accomplish such a task. But to those who do make profit off such items have a lot more to lose by not making it affordable. So if they are close to $2,000 for a simple bolt in kit for those like the decah, I think a couple hundred is unrealistic from a private individual, without compromise that is.

Again, if anything one would normally post a picture for bragging rights as to having accomplished such an anticipated modification. He could do so without any promise to put into production or giving away the "secrets" of the design.

:)

should we consider this a dead topic?

Looks like it:(

Anyone try emailing him or PMing him?

He said he would be out of town for a week or so and could not reply or check up on the tread untill he got back....somewhere back in the thread....give him some time.

count me in if it is as stated.. i have money in hand

This certainly has my interest. As a mechanical engineer myself, I can see how it could be accomplished with enough physics taken into account. I have a few questions myself:

1. What type of accuator is being used?

2. You say that there is need to drill holes for the new hinges; is there no way to use the current hinge holes on the car and use a relocation bracket to prevent unecessary holes? Or are these holes simply unavoidable?

3. How long has this kit been on your car, and how often is it used? I would like to know the longevity of the apparatus thus far.

4. I understand the reason that you do not wish to post pictures. However, I must admit that it would aid in determining the method in which the door opens. You have stated that it still opens ******d some, how much?

I am certainly interested in a kit, but only as a "maybe" at this point. I can not say that I will certainly purchase it, as I do not know if the girlfriend would want to put money into that. It sounds very interesting, and if you need a second opinion or help for any reason with the more technical portion of the setup, I am more than willing to lend a hand.

i'd be a "yes" with the assurance that these things are guaranteed. considering i don't know you, it would make it a lot easier on my wallet if there was some kind of deal where if these things crapped out and didn't hold the weight or soemthing, i could get a new pair or my money back

$350-500?


If you got pics, I got money!!!! I remember when the hinge kits were $600 in 2001, now the ricers have made that impossible. camaroism's kit is the best lambo kit I've seen (look at it closely). Your talking "out-n-up" right? I dont want a swing out kit.

Ya gotta show some work you've done before anybody up's there f-body mod funds. And for the record.... I HATE DECAH!!!!! Lying SOB's


That Black 4th gen they're advertising is rocking my MY door kit, that was promised to me by "Craig" for a special price. Shows you what a verbal agreement means when friends get in the way. I saved up all that money just to find out they gave the deal to the other guy. they could have at least called me to let me know ( I was callin them ). They said they would make my kit in two months, but they sold it in three without one phone call WTF!!!!!!!

Originally posted by stangkilla1
That Black 4th gen they're advertising is rocking my MY door kit, that was promised to me by "Craig" for a special price. Shows you what a verbal agreement means when friends get in the way. I saved up all that money just to find out they gave the deal to the other guy. they could have at least called me to let me know ( I was callin them ). They said they would make my kit in two months, but they sold it in three without one phone call WTF!!!!!!!

Dude :)

Decah has plenty of those kits for sale... besides I thought you didn't want a swing-out kit ?

yea and they go for a very resonable $1895 plus shipping.. BLAH DAMN THATS ALOT!! If this guy falls through anyone wanna see if we can get a GP together for the Decah kit?

Originally posted by 2Poor4Z
If this guy falls through anyone wanna see if we can get a GP together for the Decah kit?

I want a true lambo style kit, not the Decah up-n-out style.

well this guy doenst have what you want then..

and you wont get that without probably having to get new rear view mirros.. and rolling the fenders... too much body modification for me.. ill just get the decah kit or this guys..

Originally posted by Bone Daddy
Getting pictures of the kit in the planning phase of my specific kit would be redundant in a way. I'm for now, just trieng to see how many people would consider buying them. Thats how I know my possible market share.

****** PLANNING STAGES ******

Notice: He says he has 4 kits already installed, but the kit is in "planning stage" so he can't provide photos.

This thread stinks more and more as he contradicts himself.

Originally posted by pu12en12g
****** PLANNING STAGES ******

Notice: He says he has 4 kits already installed, but the kit is in "planning stage" so he can't provide photos.

This thread stinks more and more as he contradicts himself.

I think he means he is planning it, in the way of planning on whether to sell them or not.

Originally posted by Blu Beast
He said he would be out of town for a week or so and could not reply or check up on the tread untill he got back....somewhere back in the thread....give him some time.

He has been posting continously in other forums on this board since his last reply here.


Originally posted by camarosource
I think he means he is planning it, in the way of planning on whether to sell them or not.

If he could actually make a profit on these as he seems to believe he can, a thread entitled "gauging interest" says alot. Especially when you claim to have a finished and functional product already being used by others, yet nothing to back up the existance of this product. He could easily take a picture of the car from a front shot at a slight angle, thus showing how the door truely opens without exposing anything critical to the design of the hinge. He could even blur out the hinge and put a paper on the door or something proving it not a photoshop.

There are endles ways he could prove the existance, again if only for bragging rights, and get those pictures posted. In a day and age of disposable digital cameras, a person capable of making a vertical door kit for a 4th gen that is a simple bolt and for only $500 can surely put a picture on the net.

Originally posted by pu12en12g
I want a true lambo style kit, not the Decah up-n-out style.

I've agreed with everything you've said. I'd love to have the lambo doors, just straight up. It can be done though. The only thing that stinks about everything I've come up with is that the window would need to be crack because of the weather stripping and the front two body panels have to be seriously modified to actually look good. I can come up with swing outs...well, everyone can make one of those hinges.

But, to have a lambo....that would be awesome!

Then again, I would be in seeing the price is right. But I need to know what quality the parts are. Struts can give out in a matter of 3 months when these heavy doors, opening and closing all the time. I hate buying thins not knowing the quality of parts.

I agree a pic would be awesome! Just to give us and idea:)

well if he's still posting in other threads, then i would take it as this being a big joke

:no:

Originally posted by pu12en12g
****** PLANNING STAGES ******

Notice: He says he has 4 kits already installed, but the kit is in "planning stage" so he can't provide photos.

This thread stinks more and more as he contradicts himself.

Yea your right, decah has alot of them now, but I was to be the first one!! Craig at "autoxcess" in tampa told me they had not made a single 4th gen kit yet. He said give him 2 months and when they finish designing the first kit, they would call me to come down and get the conversion. I was getting the whole kit (installed!!!) for $1500 provided I let them use my car for advertising. I had no problem with the deal. I went as far as to plan ahead and made hotel reservations for me and my daughter (which I had to cancel and lose my deposit). Plus made plans to hit Disney world when we got down there, needless to say i was highly pissed when I saw the black 4th gen on their site. plus craig would'nt return my calls anymore. I think it was his close friend who got the deal. So I went to the rim shop and bought my dubz instead (thats how long ago it was). But I'm still planning to get them.
But Paul check this out. i was about to re-cover my headliner in the Z28 when i thought about something............... Fiberglass headliner!!!! Sound funny? well it's drying off as we speak, I also plan to incorporate two 4 inch tv's into the headliner. Pics will be up tonight!!!!! I'll be sanding tomorrow

I agree with you on the lambo door issue too. 4 kits that are installed but no pics?!!!!! Cmon we are a site full of DYI-ers including me, you and everybody else. So he has to show what he can do, not talk about it. .....Watch this..........



***********If you really have 4 kits done and installed post the pics up or email them to somebody here to host. If you dont have a camera, I'LL BUY YOU ONE AND SEND IT TO YOU. Now there is no excuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*********************

Got us all excited and s**t, but have nothing to back up your claims. I'm not flaming, I actually want to spend some money with ya, especially on some Lambo doors like camaroism (the only true kit for f-bodies). So pleeeeze prove me wrong... going once...going twice..................

WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i have an answer to all our problems. We have to get camaroism to tell us his source (which he keeps very secret). I talked to him a few weeks back and he still would'nt tell me. but I think a GP would catch their attention and wallets. Money can get ANYTHING done. It's worth a try, so i'll hit him up tonight and see whats up. His kit is the only kit we need!!!! All other kits will be ricer-ish and not compliment the camaro's. now lets talk about those heavy concrete slabs called 3rd gen doors lol!!!! I wanna see a kit lift those 80 pound doors (each) to the sky!!!

I dunno....Maybe if he had pics i'd have a different opinion, but please...leave the gullwing/scissor doors to the italian/exotics.....
Cars like the Camaro and Firebird I think are meant to have the doors they do....not lamborghini style doors. If ya gotta modify the doors, why not do suicide doors?
I dunno...I just think that scissor doors and gullwing doors should be left to Lamborghini and other exotic car makers.....not american muscle cars.
JUST MY OPINION.....dont kill me for it.....

Originally posted by speedingpenguin
I dunno....Maybe if he had pics i'd have a different opinion, but please...leave the gullwing/scissor doors to the italian/exotics.....
Cars like the Camaro and Firebird I think are meant to have the doors they do....not lamborghini style doors. If ya gotta modify the doors, why not do suicide doors?
I dunno...I just think that scissor doors and gullwing doors should be left to Lamborghini and other exotic car makers.....not american muscle cars.
JUST MY OPINION.....dont kill me for it.....


We dont kill anyone here for having stupid opinions.........we just hang them by their balls :p








j/k I can see where you're coming from, some part of me agrees with you and some part doesnt. Suicide doors have never looked good to me and we need a mod like this for the dull doors we have:)

LOL;) ;) ;)

id be interested in buying a set!

Yep, I post in other threads at work when I have break time/ or need a diversion for a few minutes. Nope I don't give two s**ts if you think it's BS or not. Yep, I watch this thread and all of the rhetoric going on. Nope, I have not been posting/sending pics because if you negative nellies could read, you'd know I'm not trieng to sell them right now, so why do you need pics? If you need some spankin material ;) then buy this months Playboy. (I hear charisma Carpenter is in it, yowzers).

With my divorce, my work load, (doing a cad drawing as we speak) and my kids at home all day as it's summer, I haven't even been in the garage in at least 2 weeks. I need a fuel sender for Z, but nothing on a car shecdule until then.

This is why no pics, because some people even now are taking the thread that I'm selling them and have to cater to them, and im a dumbass and can't sell a damned thing.. BS!

IM NOT TRIENG TO SELL A DAMNED THING RIGHT NOW! READ THE THREAD! I DONT HAVE TO SEND YOU SQUAT!

whew, that felt good. Until one of you babysits, welds me some metal, does my extra workload for me, assasanates my soon to be ex-wife or all of the above, I aint got the time!

And if you got "excited" then "turned off" by answering a question, then you might find the upcoming census to be highly erotic, and yourself a freak.

Now for all the sane people that have been exchanging emails with me and are actually being patient, I appreciate it. I never stated once when I would start selling, I make no promises I can't keep. (my wife might argue, but when she did a guy on my pool table 2 days ago, she lost alot of credibility) So again, all you patient, non-insane, and understanding people, you will be first in line for kits.

This will be my last post explaining myself to the others, I grow tired of repeating the same things.

-Bone-

speeding penguin!!!

How's that Batman case I made for you?

(I hope that's you, or I look like an ass right about now!)

<--- Rabid :D

BTW, for all serious questions as to thefit/desighn/function/features, please do as several others are doing and e-mail me.

Everyone just mailing and acting like monkeys, will be blocked from my e-mail/ PM and barred from any future sales. Now, I have to finish this vessel desighn, and eat a crumb before I go tuck my kids in, and take to the bed myself.

Regards,
-Bone-

Originally posted by Bone Daddy
Yep, I post in other threads at work when I have break time/ or need a diversion for a few minutes. Nope I don't give two s**ts if you think it's BS or not. Yep, I watch this thread and all of the rhetoric going on. Nope, I have not been posting/sending pics because if you negative nellies could read, you'd know I'm not trieng to sell them right now, so why do you need pics? If you need some spankin material ;) then buy this months Playboy. (I hear charisma Carpenter is in it, yowzers).

With my divorce, my work load, (doing a cad drawing as we speak) and my kids at home all day as it's summer, I haven't even been in the garage in at least 2 weeks. I need a fuel sender for Z, but nothing on a car shecdule until then.

This is why no pics, because some people even now are taking the thread that I'm selling them and have to cater to them, and im a dumbass and can't sell a damned thing.. BS!

IM NOT TRIENG TO SELL A DAMNED THING RIGHT NOW! READ THE THREAD! I DONT HAVE TO SEND YOU SQUAT!

whew, that felt good. Until one of you babysits, welds me some metal, does my extra workload for me, assasanates my soon to be ex-wife or all of the above, I aint got the time!

And if you got "excited" then "turned off" by answering a question, then you might find the upcoming census to be highly erotic, and yourself a freak.

Now for all the sane people that have been exchanging emails with me and are actually being patient, I appreciate it. I never stated once when I would start selling, I make no promises I can't keep. (my wife might argue, but when she did a guy on my pool table 2 days ago, she lost alot of credibility) So again, all you patient, non-insane, and understanding people, you will be first in line for kits.

This will be my last post explaining myself to the others, I grow tired of repeating the same things.

-Bone-

All I have to say to this is the following:

Honestly, you come on here asked who would "FOR SURE" buy your product if you produced it. You provide nothing buyt HERE-SAY and then when we request some PROOF as to what it would Look like (the end product on the car), you seem to have quite a harse reaction to your POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS and VERY UNBUSINESS LIKE. I for one would tell you right now.. If you plan on selling ANYTHING, you might want to think about treating people with more respect than this.

No one here has asked anything other than pure common sense. Someone is selling something, you want to know what it is and what it looks like. You had *SO* much POSSITIVE results to your question and a LOT of POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS if you were to produce it.. But as soon as anyone asks for PROOF on what it would look like on the car (you were the one who said you had it installed in a number of cars), you treat us like CRAP.

I'm not here to flame you, i'm not here to insult you, nor am I here to start any argument. I'm only trying to have you understand that you should have realized before you posted a message asking for people to give you a DIRECT YES/NO answer to something with NO PROOF, you should have realized and EXPECTED at least 1 person to ask for proof.

I for one would NOT buy from you if you treat people this way. Honestly, And I again will repeat, I am no way trying to put you down but only helping to have you understand what your reaction is making people think of you, that you were a teen age kid. If it were not for "divorce" and your "kids", I REALLY believed you were a KID from your very Immature reaction.

I don't understand why would you be so NEGETIVE to people asking to see what the product LOOKS like on the car. It's only common sense..

I hope I have perhaps helped you to realize what type of "first impression" you may have given for yourself and that it helps you to change this so you CAN have a sucessful product if you decide to go through with it.

I wish you the best of luck, but before ANYTHING, you HAVE to change your additide towards people or you *WILL* LOSE POTENTIAL BUSINESS.

You have (from what you told us) to us, something that has not been made exclusively for our cars, so HOLD ON to your customers as much as you can and do whatever it takes to provide what we asked (pics of the final product) so you DON'T LOSE what you may have. It's not worth it.. Keep your cool.. 8)

:no: After that post, you will never receive any respect from me on this board. You will never have any referals from me if you do sell, and with that you can count on me turning people away from you.

Go take some business classes, or go work in fast food, at least you'll learn a little respect.

Both of you need to chill, this guy obviously has other things on his mind. If he decides to sell them great, he will post pictures, if he doesnt then he wont, either way, we arent losing anything. So quit being *******s and be patient!

Thanks Zach!

Like I said, tons of people are being great about this, and are recieving said information. The only people suddenly "offended" are the ones that have been busy with slander.

Yes/No answers do not require a manilla file of info. Is the sky blue? yes! Was the war of 1812 fought in 1812? yes! Would you buy bolt-on lambo doors if they could be produced for a reasonable price? yes!

Unfortunately.. a small percentage of you have chosen this scenario:

Would you buy bolt on lambo doors if they could be produced for a reasonable price?

:rolleyes: PICS! PICS! PICS! FRAUD! RIPOFF ARTIST! WHY ARE YOU NOT SENDING OUT THE KITS AS WE SPEAK?? :mad: :mad: YOUR LIKE ALL THE REST! LIAR! :death:

Hardly my fault, I do not control your lack of thread reading prowess. :lol:

The ones suddenly offended, are the ones that I could care less if they buy anything from me, the ones that are acting like civil adults (even the ones that hate the doors) are the ones I'm shooting for. I have every right to sell whatever, whenever, and to whoever I choose. I won't lose any sleep or business over it. If you can't pay me the commen courtesy as everyone one else in this thread, then I could care less if I have your business. Some will find my words harsh, most will feel indifferent, because they are in the right, are acting mature, and are waiting there turn and biding there time.

-Bone-

PS, to all others involved (you know who you are ;) ) again, I appreciate you 1000% :)

camarosource:

Understood, no harm/foul. But you have to understand I won't do this if it becomes to much hassle, which it's starting to be. I know your not flaming me, and believe it or not, I'm not mad if I use caps, it's just for emphasis sake. I'm taking all this in stride. I have no worries about selling when I eventully do. If I sell one kit I'll be happy. :)

Yeah, none of them listened to me either when i told them that you had other sh!t to eat on your plate at the moment... Anyways, when/if you decide to sell I'm still game for some doors. If not, its cool. If you ever do decide to sell though could you send an E-mail to Fox__II@sbcglobal.net ? Like i said, i'm still interested.

1st of all let me thank you for doing something for the f body community.


2nd of all, i would like to say that if/when you decide to sell your kit that i would buy one in a heart beat. I understand what it feels like to try and please people and handle your own business at the same time. Take your time and if people dont like it, screw them. Just be sure to put me in the 1st order :p :D

I posted this awhile back. Should I just start emailing you, or perhaps you missed it? Either way please let me know. Thanks.

Originally posted by JoshMcMadMac
This certainly has my interest. As a mechanical engineer myself, I can see how it could be accomplished with enough physics taken into account. I have a few questions myself:

1. What type of accuator is being used?

2. You say that there is need to drill holes for the new hinges; is there no way to use the current hinge holes on the car and use a relocation bracket to prevent unecessary holes? Or are these holes simply unavoidable?

3. How long has this kit been on your car, and how often is it used? I would like to know the longevity of the apparatus thus far.

4. I understand the reason that you do not wish to post pictures. However, I must admit that it would aid in determining the method in which the door opens. You have stated that it still opens ******d some, how much?

I am certainly interested in a kit, but only as a "maybe" at this point. I can not say that I will certainly purchase it, as I do not know if the girlfriend would want to put money into that. It sounds very interesting, and if you need a second opinion or help for any reason with the more technical portion of the setup, I am more than willing to lend a hand.

Charisma Carpenter is in this issue of playboy. She's hot. Not extremely "wet yourself hot"- but she's certainly got a nice figure. I think most of us can agree on that :)

Bone: I'm sorry things arent working out for you. I hope things go well in the divorce, that cant be easy.

Everyone else: Breat Bauer aka SStrokerAce is making a new intake manifold for the lt1's with longer runners and a superior design (wouldnt that be nice?). He's been working on it for some time and I believe it's goin on Kmook's car. There are no pictures floating around. And nobody is BSing him for it. Perhaps it's his status on the forums? Duh. But there is good reason not to spill all the beans on this. Aside from the "copy your design" work which I think wont happen either way, there is the "cat out of the bag" syndrome that will follow after pics are out. The intake manifold thread isnt too huge - but if there were pics it'd be 40 pages long in a day. Also this manifold was getting built for Ken, and it's thusly Ken's manifold. Bret has said any pics posted would be by Ken. Now if that isnt an awesome guy to work for you, I dont know what is. So we just need to find out who the guys are that have these doors and get them to post pictures :D.

There is sometimes a reason for not sending out all the pics at once. I agree they'd really be nice, but I've got patience. I dont think anyone should get hung by the balls because even if he was bs'ing - we're no worse off. No money is lost. We're better off actually - because maybe in light of this someone else started thinking about a different idea to make the doors work, or save weight, or something.

So who lives in the area that can hang around malls till a 4th gen pops around with high-swing doors? :D

here ill give a simple answer(sorry it took me so long to respond it's just i havent been on lately):

hell YES i would love this f**king kit;)

I think we have enough free promotion and arguments for one thread.