Plymouth?????

While researching the upcoming Dodge Charger...I keep coming across the recurrent discussion that Plymouth may be coming back....and by 2007.

Alot of these rumors (AND THESE ARE JUST RUMORS), seem to revolve around the return of the Plymouth 'Cuda.
These rumors run the gamot . From a cheap two door LX platform RWD V6/V8... to a Stratus/Sebring coupe/convertible type car with FWD, that Plymouth will turn into a Mustang fighter.

Or maybe.....

The next gen SRT-4 will be a Plymouth 'Cuda SRT-4? At Chicago...the Dodge stand had a modified SRT-4 painted like a '70 AAR 'Cuda.


These new Plymouths...would reportedly be sold through existing Dodge and Chrysler dealers.

This was discussed not long ago in another thread.

I just dont see how or why this would happen.

Have there been a ton of people clammoring for a Plymouth return?

Were there a ton of people super loyal to the brand that brought you the Breeze, and Neon (didnt even bother to have a different name, let alone a different look from the Dodge)

They spent a lot of cash to close down Plymouth, and bringing it back (especially so fast) makes zero sense.

Not to mention the reaction that former dealers, who lost their franchises, would have!

Why would DC spend Millions to kill Plymoth, and then 6 years later bring them back? There doesn't seem to be any good reason to start another brand under DC, they still have plenty of work to do on Dodge and Chrysler.

Well, like I said these are just rumors.....but they make for interesting conversation.

Why would DCX want to bring back some old Plymouth names? Well.... they certainly wouldn't be trying to bring back the Plymouth of afew years ago. They'd be aiming more at the "exciting" Plymouth names from the mid-60's to early '70's. And this would not be strictly restricted to the 'Cuda....other Plymouth names have been mentioned...like Road Runner.

DCX has been alittle surprised at how successful their "HEMI" marketing campaign has been. "HEMI" has now become an extremely recognized DCX sub-brand.

So why bring back Plymouth? DCX may want to dip into the magic well....that has brought so much success to the HEMI name/branding.

DCX is in the process of replacing it's "cloud car" line of sedans/coupes/convertibles.These cars are pretty much the automobile core of Dodge and Chrysler. Apparently names like Stratus/Sirrus/Sebring /Breeze......don't have the same impact as 'Cuda/Road Runner/Super Bee/ Duster.

I don't know about you guys....but I find this all pretty fascinating.

Originally posted by Z284ever
While researching the upcoming Dodge Charger...I keep coming across the recurrent discussion that Plymouth may be coming back....and by 2007.

Alot of these rumors (AND THESE ARE JUST RUMORS), seem to revolve around the return of the Plymouth 'Cuda.
These rumors run the gamot . From a cheap two door LX platform RWD V6/V8... to a Stratus/Sebring coupe/convertible type carwith FWD, that Plymouth will turn into a Mustang fighter.

Or maybe.....

The next gen SRT-4 will be a Plymouth 'Cuda SRT-4? At Chicago...the Dodge stand had a modified SRT-4 painted like a '70 AAR 'Cuda.


These new Plymouths...would reportedly be sold through existing Dodge and Chrysler dealers.
This Thing!?!? (http://sportcompactcarweb.com/projectcars/0401scc_srt4/) :barf: x999999999999999999999999. Having an uncle who owns a REAL AAR ( :bow: ) that is the biggest disgrace to that name ever. ...And people call the GTO a disgrace to the legend:rolleyes: My uncle is a 110% dodge guy... I bet just seeing that car at the auto show would be enough to turn him into a chevy guy. the AAR paint scheme looks cool... it belongs on a cool car... NOT A FOUR DOOR, ECONOBOX NEON.

On the other hand... if plymouth came back, along with cuda, and the AAR paint scheme was on that... I would be all for that (http://www.creatingthelie.com/cars/2006cuda.jpg) :cool:

Maybe they'll call it a Dodge instead..Dodge 'Cuda... :think:

Originally posted by Z284ever
DCX is in the process of replacing it's "cloud car" line of sedans/coupes/convertibles.These cars are pretty much the automobile core of Dodge and Chrysler. Apparently names like Stratus/Sirrus/Sebring /Breeze......don't have the same impact as 'Cuda/Road Runner/Super Bee/ Duster.

I don't know about you guys....but I find this all pretty fascinating.

Why not just sell those cars under the Dodge brand name?

- 'Cuda is the only one I think is worth bringing back as it's own model.

- Duster = not cool, just think of the Duster cars in the past 25 years.

- Road Runner, kids don't watch that cartoon anymore, It wouldn't have the same impact as it did 35+ years ago. If they want a Cartoon character, call it the "Cartman" and make the horn go [cartman voice]GOD DAMN IT[/cartman voice]. It is more relevant to today’s culture.

- Super Bee, This would make a good appearance package for Dodge performance cars. exp: Rumble Bee Hemi RAM

Let me throw this piece of red meat out for discussion.

FACT: The next Avenger/Stratus/Sebring coupe will be based off of Mistubishi's next gen Galant platform.

RUMOR: DCX may want to re-enter the Pony Car segment.

These DCX "Pony Cars" would certainly hit the market before a "Chevy Coupe" would. DCX has officially expressed interest in swaying Mustang/Camaro enthusiasts into their camp.

What if one of these coupes came with the 300+ hp powertrain, lifted completely from the next gen Mitsu EVO...complete with AWD and Brembo brakes....and priced at well under $30K.

What if this car were branded Plymouth AAR 'Cuda....and sold through Dodge dealers.

It could very easily be called SRT Challenger too.:think:

The rumors I have heard are saying that Plymouth, if it comes back, wouldn't make a debut until the end of the decade. Apparently, these rumors are coming from people that said that the Magnum would only be out intially in wagon form and said that the Charger was real, so take it for what its worth.

I said this a long time ago..about Oldsmobile..under the Saturn Badge..as the high end of Saturn.."the Olds 442 by Saturn" or something like that..

NOW I think the heritage of DCX is what they are capitilazing on and I could see a Plymouth Cuda..BY DODGE!

I could see plymouth as a performance branded devision sold through Dodge dealers almost like SLP...I mean realistically its not that hard to do..it would just be like a SVT taking exsiting products and turning them into fast cars..with a new badge..SVT..

take a dodge muscle car..make it a little special and do the stickers and call it a Plymouth cuda..by dodge..

hell if you could do it ..I would :D

Originally posted by Z284ever
Let me throw this piece of red meat out for discussion.

[What if one of these coupes came with the 300+ hp powertrain, lifted completely from the next gen Mitsu EVO...complete with AWD and Brembo brakes....and priced at well under $30K.

What if this car were branded Plymouth AAR 'Cuda....and sold through Dodge dealers.

It could very easily be called SRT Challenger too.:think:

I hope you don't seriously think that could ever happen. I'm not even going to list the reasons why it wouldn't.:rolleyes: That is sooooo gay.

Originally posted by KillerTA
I hope you don't seriously think that could ever happen. I'm not even going to list the reasons why it wouldn't.:rolleyes: That is sooooo gay.

Although your "That is soooo gay" argument is powerful and compelling :p , I think a DCX "Pony Car"with Evo mechanicals would add interest to the segment.....and....it would be very easily doable.

Originally posted by Z284ever
Although your "That is soooo gay" argument is powerful and compelling :p , I think a DCX "Pony Car"with Evo mechanicals would add interest to the segment.....and....it would be very easily doable.

There already is a Mitsubishi EVO so I don't think anyone is going to need a Mitsubishi Plymouth Cuda.

Originally posted by Z284ever
Although your "That is soooo gay" argument is powerful and compelling :p , I think a DCX "Pony Car"with Evo mechanicals would add interest to the segment.....and....it would be very easily doable.

Even thought that would be doable, do you remember how well the fwd Charger went over? I think this would have the same effect. Nobody that owns a Camaro wants the name to show up on a Cobalt car do you?

Originally posted by mastrdrver
Even thought that would be doable, do you remember how well the fwd Charger went over? I think this would have the same effect. Nobody that owns a Camaro wants the name to show up on a Cobalt car do you?

Well..for starters, the EVO is a quite abit more serious piece than the Cobalt. The next gen Stratus/Sebring coupes will share the Lancer platform....so these coupes have the potential to be plenty serious pieces too.

As far as the '80s FWD Charger...as far as I know... they did great. Especially after Shelby and turbochargers became involved. In fact Turbo Charger GLHS's are quite collectible nowadays....and very fast.

So you wouldn't mind a Cobalt SS being called a Chevelle SS? For me it is just a displacement of names. If you made legends in the past you can make legends happen now, look at the Neon. Maybe a Dart or Demon for the smaller cars, but the Barracuda was a larger car, after 70, and would have the same effect of putting Firebird on a S/C 4 cylinder fwd car.

Originally posted by mastrdrver
So you wouldn't mind a Cobalt SS being called a Chevelle SS?

You understand that the Cobalt SS and Mitsubishi EVO are cars in different leagues...right?

An Evo is what, almost 30 grand?

Colbalt SS is likely to run about 20, maybe 22 with the blower.

Also, EVO is more of an AWD track runner with a base in Rally Sport. Colbalt SS, like the SRT-4, is more of a ready made street racer.

Well, I don't know, I think a new Pony Car from Chrysler , with sharp looking sheetmetal, $28,000 price tag, 300+ hp, six speed trans, Brembo brakes, 13.0 sec 1/4 mile, and the ability to outrun an M3 around a road course is a neat idea.

Calling it 'Cuda....just makes it better for me.

Originally posted by Z284ever
You understand that the Cobalt SS and Mitsubishi EVO are cars in different leagues...right?

So, you would say that the Evo and SRT-4 are in different leagues? That is the point I am making. I don't see a difference between a 20k 250 fwd car and the 220 fwd car. One is called Cuda, the other a Chevelle. For me, I would be pissed, it just doesn't do justice to the name. You know how many people were upset when there were rumors of the Camaro going fwd and having a 4cyl. For the record, I don't see many 80s Chargers or any of those special cars. If the car was a hit, then why did they stop making it?

The point I am trying to make is that I think there would be a backlash, similar to what happen with the Camaro, if the Neon got a name change to a Barracuda.

Originally posted by mastrdrver

The point I am trying to make is that I think there would be a backlash, similar to what happen with the Camaro, if the Neon got a name change to a Barracuda.

Okay....how can I say this more clearly? I'm not talking about the Neon. I mentioned the SRT-4 in Chicago, painted like an AAR 'Cuda....but I wasn't making a case for it! But I'm not talking about that now.

I'm refering to the next gen Stratus/Sebring coupes which will be out by '06. Those cars will be based on the next gen Lancer platform. The same platform that the EVO will use. All of the EVO's hardware should easily transfer to these new Chrysler coupes.

The EVO....Not Cobalt...Not Neon.


And yes...the EVO and SRT-4 are in different leagues. The SRT-4 is a fast, straight line FWD hot rod. The EVO is a MUCH faster AWD car that has outlapped the M3 in at least one comparo that I can think of.

If you think that such a high performance coupe shoudn't be called 'Cuda....that's one thing....but comparing it to a Cobalt or Neon is not a good analogy.

I thought you were talking about the rumored Neon replacement. I just hope that the replacements of the Stratus/Sebring are not 25k replacments that are less then they are now.

So, to get back on topic. The Cuda topic is interesting bcuz I have heard the rumor too, from the same people, that there are suppose to be 7 LX base cars. With 2 or 3 for dodge, 2 rumored for Chrysler, and one for Jeep, that would leave one left. Would be a nice car to have in a new car company line up. Kind of how the GTO is to Pontiac.

I don't think there are that many Plymouth loyalists out there, certainly not enough to constitute demand to revive the brand. Dodge and Plymouth performance has always been lumped in together under the Mopar banner, probably because their cars have shared platforms and powerplants so closely since the 1960s. They weren't like GM with the different brands with their own unique powertrains until the 1980s. You don't see many "Plymouth guys" or Dodge-specific magazines, instead you see Mopar guys and Mopar magazines.

So I think the loyal Plymouth guys were really loyal Mopar guys who stuck with Mopar, which now just means Dodge. Bringing back Plymouth won't bring back that many customers, and will cost even more than the fortune they spent destroying it. I don't see how it makes any sense. If anything they'd have a Dodge 'Cuda since they set that precedent with the Neon, minivans, Prowler, and the PT Cruiser (which was supposed to be the new Plymouth image car).

Originally posted by MellowZ
I don't think there are that many Plymouth loyalists out there, certainly not enough to constitute demand to revive the brand.

I'm sort of a closet Plymouth loyalist. Not the Plymouth from recent years....but the Plymouth from Mopar's performance hayday. There was a time when Plymouth meant "Mopar Performance". Duster, 'Cuda, Road Runner, Super Bird.....that's how I remember Plymouth. Somehow, I remember alot of them being wild colors"Sublime Green" ,"Lemon Twist" or "Plum Crazy". They were very affordable Mopar musclecars, with a very high cool factor. A Plymouth musclecar, (especially a brightly colored one), always turned heads.

I remember the "Mongoose vs Snake" Funnycar rivalry between Don Prudhomme ('70 Cuda) and Tom McEwen ('70 Duster)...highly promoted by Mattel's HotWheels.

Scroll halfway down....I still have that HotWheels track and cars....
http://www.diecastillustrated.com/Features/MongooseSnake.html


Ok, sorry..I just took a trip down memory lane.:)

Anyway, if Plymouth returns...it'll be a limited amount of models probably sold through Chrysler dealers....rather than stand alone Plymouth dealers. If done well.....I would welcome it with great excitement.

Ok, I said earlier that the AAR would be disgraced on a neon... well so would the cuda nameplate.

I dont understand why anyone would even think of doing that. Can you imagine a 4-door fwd 4cyl camaro? how about a mustang? Thats the class of car the cuda is... if your gonna bring it back as civic... PLEASE LEAVE IT DEAD.

the discrace is that a 4 dr 4 banger can now within cracking distance of a cuda..

an AAR SRT-4 is cool...they had a SCCA Neon didnt they what race were the neons running that Dodge sponsored??

but yea an AAR SRT-4 I could accept..

JUST LIKE A COBALT SS..but I think if DC brought back the Cuda it would have to be a plymouth..SOLD BY DODGE!

Originally posted by JoeliusZ28
Ok, I said earlier that the AAR would be disgraced on a neon... well so would the cuda nameplate.

I dont understand why anyone would even think of doing that. Can you imagine a 4-door fwd 4cyl camaro? how about a mustang? Thats the class of car the cuda is... if your gonna bring it back as civic... PLEASE LEAVE IT DEAD.



werd......:death:

Originally posted by Caps94ZODG
an AAR SRT-4 is cool...they had a SCCA Neon didnt they what race were the neons running that Dodge sponsored??

but yea an AAR SRT-4 I could accept..

I would probably care less myself, but ive ridden in a real AAR... and Ive also gotten beaten by an AAR.

an AAR neon doesnt make sense... AMERICAN performance is V8 rwd. Its one thing if that were a new name... but disgracing a legend is another. The All American Racer would become the All American Ricer:yuck:

okay can I ask you what you consider rice?? anything FWD and a 4 banger???

a SRT-4 is not rice by any means..how can you call it that when its pumping out 13's in the 1/4 right from the factory..

let me ask you this is the Buick GNX a muscle car or SVO Mustang from 84-86...they are not V-8's?? But I consider them muscle cars...


or this..is the mid 90's Impala a muscle car?? it has 4 doors..


the term rice is not for a legitimate fast car or any car like the SRT-4..
rice is "ricing" out a car and making it look fast with a huge stupid wing, ground F/X and a fart can and stickers and the car does 17's in the 1/4

that rice...

Originally posted by JoeliusZ28
Ok, I said earlier that the AAR would be disgraced on a neon... well so would the cuda nameplate.

I dont understand why anyone would even think of doing that. Can you imagine a 4-door fwd 4cyl camaro? how about a mustang? Thats the class of car the cuda is... if your gonna bring it back as civic... PLEASE LEAVE IT DEAD.


Excuse me while I bang my head against the wall......

No one is saying that a Neon should be called 'Cuda. The SRT-4 concept didn't actually say AAR or 'Cuda anywhere! Just look at the pics. The color scheme and graphics looked like those on a '70 AAR 'Cuda though......and yes, I thought it looked pretty cool.


Let's run down some points:

* DCX has indicated that they won't build a two door coupe off the LX platform.

* DCX is developing coupes to replace Stratus/Sebring.

* These coupes will use the next gen Mitsubishi Galant/Lancer platform.

* The Mitsu Evo will use the same platform.

* If a car was developed from one of these coupes, with AWD and all the rest of the Evo's hardware...it would be one very serious car.

* This very serious car would also be reasonably priced.

* I think that this car would be worthy of the 'Cuda....even the AAR 'Cuda name.

You can agree with that...or disagree...or stay neutral....in fact I'd like to hear some thoughts on that.

But no one is saying that a FWD 4 door Neon ought to be called 'Cuda.

Originally posted by Z284ever
Excuse me while I bang my head against the wall......

No one is saying that a Neon should be called 'Cuda. The SRT-4 concept didn't actually say AAR or 'Cuda anywhere! Just look at the pics. The color scheme and graphics looked like those on a '70 AAR 'Cuda though......and yes, I thought it looked pretty cool.


Let's run down some points:

* DCX has indicated that they won't build a two door coupe off the LX platform.

* DCX is developing coupes to replace Stratus/Sebring.

* These coupes will use the next gen Mitsubishi Galant/Lancer platform.

* The Mitsu Evo will use the same platform.

* If a car was developed from one of these coupes, with AWD and all the rest of the Evo's hardware...it would be one very serious car.

* This very serious car would also be reasonably priced.

* I think that this car would be worthy of the 'Cuda....even the AAR 'Cuda name.

You can agree with that...or disagree...or stay neutral....in fact I'd like to hear some thoughts on that.

But no one is saying that a FWD 4 door Neon ought to be called 'Cuda.


I agreee!!!!:D but my argument not with you...

ohh and to the guy who said a neon would be a discrace to the AAR name.... take a peek...

http://www.allamericanracers.com/hist.html

http://www.allamericanracers.com/stats/aarstat.html

http://www.allamericanracers.com/eagle_mklll.html

THAT IS AAR..and if this means anything it looks like TOYOTA HAS MORE RIGHT TO USING AAR than any new cuda!

AAR is a company..and they sponsored a cuda..thats where you get the AAR Cuda from! and look what they sponsored before and after..MOSTLY TOYOTA!!! So how can you say it would discrace the AAR name????????:confused:

If the SRT-4 was sponsored by AAR it has all the right in the world to wear that badge!!:bow:

just not an AAR cuda!

I rest my case..

How bout bringing back Plymouth as Chrysler's Pontiac fighter...make them more exciting than Dodges , but Unique enough not to compete with Chrysler. For instance the PT Cruiser could easily be a Plymouth..I could also see a Razor based Solstice fighting Pronto Spyder, Or how about an LX sedan like the concept they showed a few years back...looked like Al Capone would drive around in. This is all on top of a Cuda, or Road Runner.
I think there is always a market for another brands as long it is something people want. Hell GM dominates the market because it has so many brands....do you think if they said Okay we are only gonna sell Chevy's and Cadillac's they would be the #1 automaker?
Then return Dodge to the masses where it belongs...and I am not even getting started about the horse collar grille.

Originally posted by Z284ever
* I think that this car would be worthy of the 'Cuda....even the AAR 'Cuda name.[/i]

You can agree with that...or disagree...or stay neutral....in fact I'd like to hear some thoughts on that.

I STRONGLY disagree with you here. Can you imagine Z/28 badges on a cavalier... cause that is ESSENTIALLY what this is :no: (besides the fact one is a sponsor and one isnt)

The AAR and Z/28 were both streeted versions of cars used in the trans am nationals or something like that. If dodge wants to make that dumb of a move, go ahead. Ive been a strong supporter of the way dodge has been handling things lately... including the srt4. but putting the AAR badge (excuse me even paint scheme) on a neon is enough to lose all that respect from me, not that they care.

Originally posted by JoeliusZ28
I STRONGLY disagree with you here. Can you imagine Z/28 badges on a cavalier... cause that is ESSENTIALLY what this is :no: (besides the fact one is a sponsor and one isnt)

The AAR and Z/28 were both streeted versions of cars used in the trans am nationals or something like that. If dodge wants to make that dumb of a move, go ahead. Ive been a strong supporter of the way dodge has been handling things lately... including the srt4. but putting the AAR badge (excuse me even paint scheme) on a neon is enough to lose all that respect from me, not that they care.



I AM NOT REFERRING TO THE NEON!

Easy there bud :D

When people think about a 'Cuda, they think about a larger, RWD, v8 powered beast. If Chrysler brought that formula back with some serious hp numbers (im talking srt-10 numbers here), I think AAR 'Cuda could work. But to me, I think an AWD v6 powered 'Cuda would not live up to the name AT ALL. I know GM is the king of killing great names, but Chrysler would take a bump up to first if this happened. If they brought out a v8 powered RWD larger coupe with a new HEMI capable of 400+hp, then I'd be all for a return of the 'Cuda :thumb:

btw Z284ever, my roommate is a HUGE Mopar nut so I hear bout those cars all the time. I instantly recognized and pictured every color name you mentioned :lol:

Originally posted by SFireGT98


But to me, I think an AWD v6 powered 'Cuda would not live up to the name AT ALL.

Actually if it used the Evo's powertrain it would be an AWD turbo I4...but why do you think it would not live up to the name?

It would certainly outperform the '05 Mustang GT..and even the '02 SS/WS6.

And...these are probably going to be the only DCX coupes...other than Crossfire...that we'll see for the foreseeable future.

Originally posted by Z284ever
Actually if it used the Evo's powertrain it would be an AWD turbo I4...but why do you think it would not live up to the name?


Because it does not have muscle car DNA. It's the DNA that S.S. refers to and makes a car what it is. A Cuda with this drivetrain is no longer a muscle car, it's a sport compact. :o I keep thinking...put the shoe on the other foot....you'd be just fine with this setup on a Dodge muscle car....think about how'd you feel about an AWD 4 cylinder Z/28, then get back to me.....

AAR can be used by any company..heck even Chevy could use the bage if they contact the company and make a deal...

Like I said AAR has been used on more Toyotas than cudas...

an AAR SRT-4 would be cool...

AND NO I AM NOT SAYING NEON CUDA EITHER!! :D

Originally posted by Z284ever
Alot of these rumors (AND THESE ARE JUST RUMORS), seem to revolve around the return of the Plymouth 'Cuda.
These rumors run the gamot . From a cheap two door LX platform RWD V6/V8... to a Stratus/Sebring coupe/convertible type car with FWD, that Plymouth will turn into a Mustang fighter.

Or maybe.....

The next gen SRT-4 will be a Plymouth 'Cuda SRT-4? At Chicago...the Dodge stand had a modified SRT-4 painted like a '70 AAR 'Cuda.


Originally posted by Z284ever
I AM NOT REFERRING TO THE NEON!
What are you referring to then??? So far srt# has always been the # of cylinders. A 4 cylinder cuda doesnt work no matter if its a neon or not. Call it something else for crying out loud.

Originally posted by Caps94ZODG
AAR can be used by any company..heck even Chevy could use the bage if they contact the company and make a deal...

Like I said AAR has been used on more Toyotas than cudas...

an AAR SRT-4 would be cool...

AND NO I AM NOT SAYING NEON CUDA EITHER!! :D
Ok, AAR is used on other cars... great.

Those other cars DONT have the AAR cuda paint scheme.

Go ahead, use AAR... dont disgrace the AAR cuda though.

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
Because it does not have muscle car DNA. It's the DNA that S.S. refers to and makes a car what it is. A Cuda with this drivetrain is no longer a muscle car, it's a sport compact. :o I keep thinking...put the shoe on the other foot....you'd be just fine with this setup on a Dodge muscle car....think about how'd you feel about an AWD 4 cylinder Z/28, then get back to me.....

Ok Wilson, you've got a good argument there, with that DNA thing. I'm just glad you didn't call the EVO a Neon. The DNA aspect has weight with with me...eventhough, this new car that I have described, would outperform your new SS.

I was using that as an example, because these cars are already in the pipeline, are coupes, will be based on the Lancer/Galant platform, and adding the EVO's drivetrain/brakes/features would be very easy.....and cheap.

You know, the Barracuda started out as merely a fast back version of the econo-car Valiant. It didn't even have a 'Cuda option until I think around 1969 at the end of the 2nd gen car.

We all remember the AAR 'Cuda.....which is one of my favorites...but that was a one year wonder. By 1974 the cars were history. They weren't all AAR's or HEMI's...in fact most were 318 cruisers.

Maybe if DNA is a concern...this car should be called Dodge Challenger. Sure, everyone certainly remembers the early '70's Challenger....but from 1978 to I think 1983...the Dodge Challenger was a RWD coupe, based on Mitsubishi's Galant platform.

Now there is a direct DNA link.

Originally posted by Z284ever
eventhough, this new car that I have described, would outperform your new SS.

That's ok. I'm well aware that my car will be outdated performance wise in probably just a couple more years (as-is ;) ). How well would this car fare against the other new performance machines in, say, 2006? If you're going to badge it "AAR 'Cuda", it better fare very well.

I was using that as an example, because these cars are already in the pipeline, are coupes, will be based on the Lancer/Galant platform, and adding the EVO's drivetrain/brakes/features would be very easy.....and cheap.

No one is disputing all the pieces are there to make one heck of a nice car. But why make it wear the Barracuda badge if it doesn't have that DNA? At least the new GTO has the essential ingredients to link it to its ancestors.

Originally posted by Z28Wilson

No one is disputing all the pieces are there to make one heck of a nice car. But why make it wear the Barracuda badge if it doesn't have that DNA? At least the new GTO has the essential ingredients to link it to its ancestors.

I don't know, I thought it'd be pretty cool to bring back some of those old names...as long as they had the performance to deliver the goods.

As far as the GTO's DNA...and I feel the same way about the Firebird....to me, at least a strand or two of that DNA helix was broken when those Ponchos started packing smallblock Chevy's.

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
No one is disputing all the pieces are there to make one heck of a nice car. But why make it wear the Barracuda badge if it doesn't have that DNA? At least the new GTO has the essential ingredients to link it to its ancestors.
my point exactly. call it something else.

Just wondering....do you guys ever foresee a circumstance when it would be acceptable to take an old name, and successfully apply it to a new car that is not a V8 and RWD?

BTW Caps, I have no problem with an AAR SRT-4 either.

Originally posted by Z284ever
BTW Caps, I have no problem with an AAR SRT-4 either.
like I said before, go ahead and make an AAR neon... just dont give it the cuda's paint scheme. (but thats what you want inst it? :p)

cool :D I can forgive :D

DCX still owns all the old AMC names....what if this fictitious coupe (NOT THE NEON!), were called Javelin?

Originally posted by Z284ever
DCX still owns all the old AMC names....what if this fictitious coupe (NOT THE NEON!), were called Javelin?

AMX!

do they or did they just buy Jeep???
I thought they were bought out by by AMC and they faded away..and Jeep lived on..and now the AMC guys are grouped in with MOPAR shows just kinda like a relative thats invited but always forgoten when they are talked about.. ;)

IMHO, a Cuda should be a rwd coupe, a T-56 tranny with a 6.1 liter 400 hp Hemi. Must have a real dual exhaust and preferably a live axle (perhaps a four or five link). Lastly, it should be sub 30K and around 3500 lbs.

I'm all for them coming back. Who knows if it'll happen though.

I'd definetly like to see 2+2, RWD coupes make a comeback, just to revive the market. I'm only concerned with buying a Camaro though.