guionM 10-16-2003, 04:28 PM I normally don't post Camaro ideas from others because most are hack photoshop jobs on previous Camaro pictures, or are from people who put a Camaro name on any monstrosity they come up, regardless as to how impractical, tasteless, or unimaginitive their design is.
This one is a bit different. It's another variation of the SS concept "chop jobs", but this one has has way more thought, work & development. Alot of the bodywork was toned down, and I think it actually looks decent.
I also want to get feedback from any board member here who sat in on a styling clinic some months back regarding an obviously Chevrolet coupe.
http://www.angelfire.com/retro2/camarokid128/SS.html
jwade95Z 10-16-2003, 05:08 PM Thanks for posting that link. That is the best SS chop to a coupe I've seen.
The SS concept, even moreso as a coupe, still says "Chevelle" to me. I'd certainly get in line for it.
snorkelface 10-16-2003, 05:14 PM Yeah, in coupe form, it definitely looks more Chvellish because of the large rear size proportions. On the other hand, the lines scream '68 Camaro.
Meccadeth 10-16-2003, 05:19 PM I'm starting to think that maybe the SS concept looks better as a 4-door.
stars1010 10-16-2003, 05:22 PM I cant put my finger on it, but thats just not doing it for me. I mean its not bad. Not screaming Camaro though.:no:
jg95z28 10-16-2003, 05:27 PM Did you know that photochop is at least 3-4 months old? I believe it also predates the design clinic. Its by the same guy that won the gminsidenews 5th gen Camaro contest.
Don't get me wrong... I like it, but if you're trying to tie it specifically to the design clinic car... I think any comparisions would just be coincidental.
I don't care for the top pic, looks good from the profile, doesn't really scream Camaro.
My favorite possible 5th gen Camaro is still Muscle Tone.:bow:
snorkelface 10-16-2003, 05:37 PM Originally posted by Z28x
I don't care for the top pic, looks good from the profile, doesn't really scream Camaro.
My favorite possible 5th gen Camaro is still Muscle Tone.:bow:
:bow: Muscle Tone:bow:
guionM 10-16-2003, 05:49 PM Originally posted by jg95z28
Did you know that photochop is at least 3-4 months old? I believe it also predates the design clinic. Its by the same guy that won the gminsidenews 5th gen Camaro contest.
Don't get me wrong... I like it, but if you're trying to tie it specifically to the design clinic car... I think any comparisions would just be coincidental.
Yep, I know it's an old one & possibly preceeded the clinic, but it's the 1st photoshop I've seen that is actually somewhat plausible.
I also wanted to get input & comments from someone who went to that clinic. :)
Z28Marcus 10-16-2003, 06:04 PM From side profile it looks okay (need to put some more realistic szied rims on there mind). Also, having 2 doors looks much better than the four door - it just looked too big before.... i.e. there was too much gaping space between the front and rear wheel arches.
The font is just plain crap, like the original SS concept. It looks bland and shapeless. No aggression what-so-ever, just this weird jello mold blobby shape with no contours or features that catch the eye. Plus the hideous Chevy bar! I'd like to see what that pic looks like with something more Camaro-ish for a front end clip.
Sixer-Bird 10-16-2003, 08:12 PM I like it. Its not perfect, but good enough that I'd buy it. Front end needs to look meaner. Needs to look like its pissed off. F-bodies and Vettes are supposed to look mean. I think this car would be a great starting point.
91Zman 10-16-2003, 08:24 PM Way too plain looking and as a few have said it looks Chevelle-ish.
I like the HW muscle tone too.
i mean i guess its alright.. but it just doesn't look like a camaro to me...
I'm not to fond of this retro stuff.. except that one kids!
The old camaros look like they are layin back, the body style.. the modern ones were more leaning forward.. like they were gonna pounce almost.. thats what im lookin for..
HuJass 10-16-2003, 09:30 PM That is the best photoshop of the SS I've seen so far.
Not my favorite design, though.
My favorite is still those 3 pics that Super Chevy had about 3 years ago (2 colors, and a B&W).
My second favorite is the line drawing we saw a few weeks ago. That one was real nice.
JEDCamino 10-16-2003, 09:41 PM I like it fairly well. It doesn't make me wet myself or anything, but I still like it. :p
Z284ever 10-16-2003, 09:56 PM That's a nice enough coupe.
But it doesn't knock my socks off....and it doesn't scream Camaro.
jrp4uc 10-16-2003, 10:13 PM I like the top pic and see some definite first gen in there, BUT I still think I'd like to see more evolution from the 4th gen. Better than a lot of the stuff we see on here though.
danno02SS 10-16-2003, 10:57 PM So those photochops were done prior to June '03, huh? Interesting. Both pics are close to what I saw at the clinic. The first pic is too squat, too long, and the roofline wasn't as round. The rear of the car was also higher (the car was more wedgelike). The second pic is real close except the overhangs were shorter, the rear overhang was significantly shorter. The rear quarter windows were also shaped differently (not so 1st genesque). The front end was not as bubbly, there were fender creases that resembled a 1st gen's, and the front end had a tapered black grille(almost CTS like).
Here is a URL to my photo briefcase that has a photochop of what I saw at the clinic. The grille isn't exaclty what I saw I couldn't quite capture the louvres. The bar was there(covered with black tape) but I chose not to put it in the photochop (GM hint hint). Enjoy.
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/daniel.cervantes@sbcglobal.net/lst?.dir=/GEN5_CAMAROSTUFF
luis nunez 10-16-2003, 10:59 PM Well, I like it
Message to GM: Don't let that be the next Camaro!!
On the side it does look a little 68-like though I agree, but not the next Camaro. I'm hoping they turn to that survey they took about what year says Camaro to you for ideas. :D
krillanaross 10-17-2003, 02:08 AM Originally posted by snorkelface
:bow: Muscle Tone:bow:
What is muscle tone? Where can I see it?
Z28Wilson 10-17-2003, 06:36 AM Originally posted by krillanaross
What is muscle tone? Where can I see it?
The paint schemes aren't the greatest (couldn't find a normal-painted one on the site) but....
http://www.hotwheels.com/us/product.asp?id=12171&category_id=7817
http://www.hotwheels.com/us/product.asp?id=11478&category_id=7788
I always thought this car was really cool. :)
99SilverSS 10-17-2003, 09:00 AM Its a good photoshop and a nice concept but I think it shows what GM wanted it to, Chevelle!
It looks more Chevelle'ish as a 2dr. Its sweet but no Camaro by any means. And amazingly that wasn't the idea driving the SS concept, so amazingly it doesn't look like a Camaro because it was never intended too.
Nice try gunioM but I don't see this concept or photoChop as being any different or better than the others posted here.
Jilly 10-17-2003, 12:14 PM Ehhhh, it's ok. I don't like the grill.
stars1010 10-17-2003, 12:37 PM Originally posted by Z28Wilson
The paint schemes aren't the greatest (couldn't find a normal-painted one on the site) but....
http://www.hotwheels.com/us/product.asp?id=12171&category_id=7817
http://www.hotwheels.com/us/product.asp?id=11478&category_id=7788
I always thought this car was really cool. :)
From cowl to the rear thats a good looking design. I'm not like'in the front though.
hotrodtodd74 10-17-2003, 02:12 PM When you went to that clinic, what did they say you would be looking at? Did they give you any kind of name for the car? Also, do you recall what kind of questions they asked - I would assume if it was a clinic they would have surveyed the people there.
Joe K. 96 Zeee!! 10-17-2003, 02:59 PM Originally posted by hotrodtodd74
When you went to that clinic, what did they say you would be looking at? Did they give you any kind of name for the car? Also, do you recall what kind of questions they asked - I would assume if it was a clinic they would have surveyed the people there.
Use the Search function. Enter "Gongos survey" and select 5th gen forum. The whole story is there.
Originally posted by stars1010
From cowl to the rear thats a good looking design. I'm not like'in the front though.
I'm not liking any of it, it doesn't say Camaro either. Anything that looks even a tiny bit like a 1st Gen people wanna put Camaro on it in a sec.
Z28Wilson 10-17-2003, 06:04 PM Originally posted by IZ28
I'm not liking any of it, it doesn't say Camaro either. Anything that looks even a tiny bit like a 1st Gen people wanna put Camaro on it in a sec.
The Muscle Tone doesn't look anything like a Camaro??? :think:
91Zman 10-17-2003, 07:59 PM http://community.webshots.com/s/image1/2/58/89/95325889weEifW_ph.jpg
http://www.southtexasdiecast.com/images/2000/2000_084b.jpg
http://www.whitemetal.com/ppro/hw2001/segment/muscle_tone_02.jpg
Thanks for the better pictures 91Z. While it does look a little Camaro-like, the body doesn't have that < shape on the sides and the front and rear aren't really "Camaro." Not quite flowing enough, don't like the roof, and quarter window/panel. Maybe a little too 1st Gen, but I do like the Third Gen GFX.
neversummer 10-19-2003, 03:17 PM Muscletone = Mustang. And Mustangs look good too, -- esp. with that 'ram air' hood scoop. But that's all that muscle tone hotwheels thing is. Rather I'd say the designers based it off a stang over a camaro. Sorry just skimming through this thread, hope I didn't miss something.
Oh, and I agree with those that disagree with these 5th gen concepts that are supposed to be camaros. They look nothing like what I expect a Camaro and Trans-am to be. Nothing. I haven't seen one single concept that says "Yes!, That's it" Cuz that's how I expect I'll feel when I see the next One. And chances are, GM has already designed it.
DamianLT1 10-20-2003, 02:06 PM Looks like Ford will win the Pony wars. None of the concept car I've seen could match against the Mustang. Sad, GM will fail us again.
Darth Xed 10-20-2003, 02:09 PM Originally posted by DamianLT1
Looks like Ford will win the Pony wars. None of the concept car I've seen could match against the Mustang. Sad, GM will fail us again.
:think:
Hard to say that since GM hasn't released a single Camaro concept yet...... :think: :think: :think:
Joe K. 96 Zeee!! 10-20-2003, 02:25 PM Originally posted by DamianLT1
Looks like Ford will win the Pony wars. None of the concept car I've seen could match against the Mustang. Sad, GM will fail us again.
If you believe this, you haven't been paying attention.
hotrodtodd74 10-22-2003, 02:41 PM I looked at your original story about the Gongos clinic. Overall, what was your impression of the car you saw? Based on looks, would it be a serious contender for the 2005 Mustang? Also, did the concept take the more upright sitting approach of the Mustang, or did it continue with Gen 4 like styling?
Thanks!
danno02SS 10-23-2003, 03:59 AM Originally posted by hotrodtodd74
I looked at your original story about the Gongos clinic. Overall, what was your impression of the car you saw? Based on looks, would it be a serious contender for the 2005 Mustang? Also, did the concept take the more upright sitting approach of the Mustang, or did it continue with Gen 4 like styling?
Thanks!
Impression: I liked it, I thought the dimensions of the car were perfect. The short overhangs made it much more reasonable as a daily driver. Yet the car was large enough to NOT be confused with an import. The stance was wide and low and that made it look mean. The car wasn't as low as a 4th gen but it wasn't anywhere near as upright as the Mustang. The front RETRO clip looked disjointed from the rest of the car. The rear of the car was absolutely awesome. It was soo different from anything out there that it I felt it would make the car instantly identifiable. I wasn't a fan of the front-end, being that it was a bit RETRO and all. Is they built it (with a better front end) I would get myself one and probably one for the wife too.
vs. the 2005 Mustang? I got the impression that the car was not going after the Mustang crowd. The looks were subdued, by Camaro stds., but it's lines were appealing enough to draw on a larger auto-enthusiasts pool. It didn't seem to me like the car was GM's response to the Mustang. I felt the car was meant to stand on its own right. That being said there was an 03 Mustang GT and an 03 Honda Accord next to it.
hotrodtodd74 10-23-2003, 07:40 AM Cool!
The clinic study story that you have shared with us is probably the single biggest Camaro-related news item of late. The fact that they showed this concept to be judged is a good sign, at least that is what I believe.
Later
Darth Xed 10-23-2003, 08:28 AM Originally posted by danno02SS
Impression: I liked it, I thought the dimensions of the car were perfect. The short overhangs made it much more reasonable as a daily driver. Yet the car was large enough to NOT be confused with an import. The stance was wide and low and that made it look mean. The car wasn't as low as a 4th gen but it wasn't anywhere near as upright as the Mustang. The front RETRO clip looked disjointed from the rest of the car. The rear of the car was absolutely awesome. It was soo different from anything out there that it I felt it would make the car instantly identifiable. I wasn't a fan of the front-end, being that it was a bit RETRO and all. Is they built it (with a better front end) I would get myself one and probably one for the wife too.
vs. the 2005 Mustang? I got the impression that the car was not going after the Mustang crowd. The looks were subdued, by Camaro stds., but it's lines were appealing enough to draw on a larger auto-enthusiasts pool. It didn't seem to me like the car was GM's response to the Mustang. I felt the car was meant to stand on its own right. That being said there was an 03 Mustang GT and an 03 Honda Accord next to it.
Obviously it wasn't one, but if I read you description, and didn't know any better, I'd guess you were describing the Pontiac G6.... Especially after being reminded that most Mustang buyers would have considered a Grand Am or Cavalier if they hadn't bought their Mustang, according to R.P.
guionM 10-23-2003, 12:11 PM Originally posted by Darth Xed
Obviously it wasn't one, but if I read you description, and didn't know any better, I'd guess you were describing the Pontiac G6.... Especially after being reminded that most Mustang buyers would have considered a Grand Am or Cavalier if they hadn't bought their Mustang, according to R.P.
:think:
Danno, did they give any indication of being FWD or RWD?
spawnz28 10-23-2003, 01:58 PM :no: I dunno it doesn't do it for me. Looks too bubbly, especially the front end. I think it would be nice to lean more toward the older design from the late 60's. I saw a concept that was orange from that sticky in this 5th gen discussion forum. I like that one way better.
strokin polo 10-23-2003, 06:14 PM I have sat through MANY styling courses and have to say that this is a decent rendition of the SS. I however do not believe that this would pass as a camaro replacement. Although the front end proportions obviously resemble those of any 4th gen, I just feel the car is lacking the same thing that detered many from it in the first place. I however DO believe that this concept would have tickled me in a better place than the australian grand am that they are calling the GTO.
Charlie
danno02SS 10-24-2003, 01:09 AM Originally posted by guionM
:think:
Danno, did they give any indication of being FWD or RWD?
Nope, although I did write down 350rwhp under other in the required options question. The 1st section had questions about driving habits, how far, how often, how often in snow, how often in rain, how often with more than 1 passenger.... That's about as close as they got to drivetrains. There was no mention of engines either. The clinc was all about exterior and interior styling and options.
The car had some pretty serious rubber out back (wider than my KDs) so I doubt it was FWD. The stance was similar to the G6 concept but it was an SS coupe.
spawnz28: take a look at the one in my photo-briefcase, the front is no longer bubbly and a little retro.
GONGOS+styling+clinic+concept.jpg (http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/daniel.cervantes@sbcglobal.net/vwp?.dir=/GEN5_CAMAROSTUFF&.dnm=GONGOS+styling+clinic+concept.jpg&.view)
91Zman 10-24-2003, 08:19 AM Looks like a combo of cavalier,gto wheels and an rx8....:barf:
Jackass 10-24-2003, 01:26 PM If they are holding styling clinics for a rwd coupe, what's the chance we will see it at naia?
danno02SS 10-24-2003, 09:57 PM Originally posted by Jackass
If they are holding styling clinics for a rwd coupe, what's the chance we will see it at naia?
RP said it's not gonna happen. Maybe '05 :( .
Fbodfather 10-25-2003, 11:32 PM a couple hints:
The very DNA of a Camaro contains elements such as RWD and muscular V8 engines.
Stop thinking in terms of the SS concept sedan.....it was a concept and it has hints of Camaro styling from the past....but not a Camaro........and photoshoping doesn't help it........
Darth Xed 10-26-2003, 09:18 AM Originally posted by Red Planet
a couple hints:
The very DNA of a Camaro contains elements such as RWD and muscular V8 engines.
Stop thinking in terms of the SS concept sedan.....it was a concept and it has hints of Camaro styling from the past....but not a Camaro........and photoshoping doesn't help it........
This is good to hear.... while I do not dislike the SS concept, I really do not see it being a suitable basis, styling wise, for a Camaro...
Joe K. 96 Zeee!! 10-26-2003, 05:54 PM Originally posted by Darth Xed
This is good to hear.... while I do not dislike the SS concept, I really do not see it being a suitable basis, styling wise, for a Camaro...
**Breathing a sigh of relief**
At first I thought it could be done, but the more I saw the photochops the more I realized that it just didn't seem right. The whole styling clinic had me a bit worried as well. Gotta be patient on this one......
hotrodtodd74 10-27-2003, 02:42 PM Originally posted by Red Planet
a couple hints:
The very DNA of a Camaro contains elements such as RWD and muscular V8 engines.
Stop thinking in terms of the SS concept sedan.....it was a concept and it has hints of Camaro styling from the past....but not a Camaro........and photoshoping doesn't help it........
Then what was the point of the Chevy SS concept? Or, what was GM trying to show us in this concept car?
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