can i beat a mach 1? (lt1)

I'm just wondering...

i see some are running 13.3 or something stock, but i hear stock they are low 14 cars...

i have intake/cutout/a4 (3.23)

what would happen???

i guess dead even or something??? or will i get owned...

i pull on GTs like they arent moving so... :P

Should be pretty close. I'd say mostly a drivers race, if you pull on GT's like you say.

Dan

i dunno... i hear that they are about as quick as a stock ls1. mt tested the m5 at 13.2 and the a4 at 13.88. that is pretty quick in my book.

13.2 m5 stock?

good lord!

i guess i can try with a a4 tho :cool:

i pulled 2 cars on a gt (newer) with intake and exhaust as teh guy said...

Stock for stock the Mach 1 is outgunning the LT1 by a bit.

I have a video of a Mach1 stock, running 13.1@106........if i only knew how to post video's.....:o

I met a girl at the track that ran her mach 1 auto with K&N and dr's and she pulled 13.6 @ 100-101mph.

Originally posted by jthomas
i dunno... i hear that they are about as quick as a stock ls1. mt tested the m5 at 13.2 and the a4 at 13.88. that is pretty quick in my book.

That's about right. As usual the automatics in Fords are much slower than the manual versions. M5 run heads up with stock LS1s, A4s would usually be a tad bit quicker than an LT1.

Why can't I find out how much they weigh? Can't find it on Ford's site.

I see that it has 305HP and 320 ft/lb of TQ. The rear diff is also a 3.55. That helps a little, but I don't see it running 13.1 and trapping 106 stock with those numbers. Doesn't sound stock to me unless they are HIGHLY underrated.

Dan

What mods would an LT1 need in order to beat a Mach 1 with an CAI and exhaust? Anyone know?

ya its faster than the SS.. to bad they only makin a few of them

Originally posted by stereomandan
Why can't I find out how much they weigh? Can't find it on Ford's site.

I see that it has 305HP and 320 ft/lb of TQ. The rear diff is also a 3.55. That helps a little, but I don't see it running 13.1 and trapping 106 stock with those numbers. Doesn't sound stock to me unless they are HIGHLY underrated.

Dan

not to be a smartass or anything, but that IS what they run with a good driver... there are a few mach 1 owners that post on ls1.com. the mach 1 motor is up on power just about everywhere in the rpm band over the 2001 cobra motor.

Originally posted by jthomas
not to be a smartass or anything, but that IS what they run with a good driver... there are a few mach 1 owners that post on ls1.com. the mach 1 motor is up on power just about everywhere in the rpm band over the 2001 cobra motor.


I really don't care how it compares to a '01 cobra, to be honest. I'm wondering how they are getting times like that with 305 HP, because I know stangs aren't light. I'm still very doubtful of a 13.1 sec 106 mph 1/4, STOCK.

Dan

Originally posted by stereomandan
I really don't care how it compares to a '01 cobra, to be honest. I'm wondering how they are getting times like that with 305 HP, because I know stangs aren't light. I'm still very doubtful of a 13.1 sec 106 mph 1/4, STOCK.

Dan

I'm with you on this one. Cobras run times like that with 400hp, how would a mach 1 do it w/ 305? It could just be that much lighter.... I don't know....

The Mach I is underrated.

I've seen charts on LS1.com of guys laying down around 280HP and 305TQ bone stock. So I would guess that would give the motor around 320HP/345TQ.

Also, the Mach I is not a low 14 sec. car, the GT is.

The '01 Cobras are mid-13 cars and the Mach I is mid-to-low 13s.

These cars are basically a tick behind the LS1.

best ive heard is a 13.2 with a good driver.very believeable.theyre an even matchup for an a4 ls1.

I think MM&FF got a 13.0, 5.0 mag got a 13.1, and Motor Trend got a 13.2. There's no question about its ability to turn low 13's (5spd). A4's are somewhere in the higher 13's.

In case you're wondering why: here's what i think. If you look at the 01 Cobra's, you'll see that they run about mid 13's on average. They averaged about 270-280rwhp as well. The Mach 1's engine is suppose to have better tq throughout the rpm range (something N/A Cobra lacked), has 3.55 gears, and a live axle instead of the Cobra's IRS. With those changes, low 13's are believable. Not every car need 300+rwhp to hit those times.

Originally posted by RiceEating5.0
I think MM&FF got a 13.0, 5.0 mag got a 13.1, and Motor Trend got a 13.2. There's no question about its ability to turn low 13's (5spd). A4's are somewhere in the higher 13's.

In case you're wondering why: here's what i think. If you look at the 01 Cobra's, you'll see that they run about mid 13's on average. They averaged about 270-280rwhp as well. The Mach 1's engine is suppose to have better tq throughout the rpm range (something N/A Cobra lacked), has 3.55 gears, and a live axle instead of the Cobra's IRS. With those changes, low 13's are believable. Not every car need 300+rwhp to hit those times.

Then they are obviously underrated.

Nice times.

Dan

lol... so you will believe him and not me.

my first post in this thread quoted mt test times for an m5 and an a4- then i post about the mach 1 making more power everywhere than the 2001 cobra. but you "really don't care" about that even though you should, if you think about it.

RiceEating5.0 post basically the same info i did and it is all good. just curious, but what gives?

damn, i really underrated these mustangs (mach 1) i thought they were low 14 high 13 cars where a gt is a mid/low 14 car... (which they are) i'm talking stock here btw :) (as in paper filter, and everything)

I saw average they are a mid 13 second car...

and in Fordss auto and stick is like night and day, I test drove an 01 with exhasut auto, then 5 minutes later an 02 stock 5-speed, the stock 5-speed woudl have raped the auto even with the catback.

damn, i really underrated these mustangs (mach 1) i thought they were low 14 high 13 cars where a gt is a mid/low 14 car... (which they are) i'm talking stock here btw :) (as in paper filter, and everything)

I don't understand what leads people to believe that one car with 260HP/302TQ and another (not much different from the first one) with 305HP/320TQ would run the same time.:confused:

Originally posted by jthomas
lol... so you will believe him and not me.

my first post in this thread quoted mt test times for an m5 and an a4- then i post about the mach 1 making more power everywhere than the 2001 cobra. but you "really don't care" about that even though you should, if you think about it.

RiceEating5.0 post basically the same info i did and it is all good. just curious, but what gives?

I'm not picking favorites here.

I believed him because he quoted times from published literature, not just someone saying what they run. I've heard to much BS to believe that.

Dan

The Auto Mach1 has a lower rev limiter among other things.

From what I see the 03 Mach is an 01 Cobra with cold air induction, and a live axle. So if this car is running mid-low 13's....
What does the 03 Cobra run with all it's "upgrades??
I ran an 03 Cobra from the dig, and put 2 cars on him before 90mph and steady pulling away.
Actually I think a stock C5 and the 03 Cobra are a good match.

Keith

depends if hes auto or stick...auto's run around 13.7's-8's....the manuals run deep in the 13's...if auto it should be a close one, is hes stick he should beat u fairly easy granted he can drive

Originally posted by ULTIMTEORANGESS
best ive heard is a 13.2 with a good driver.very believeable.theyre an even matchup for an a4 ls1.
cars running 13.2's stock isnt an even matchup for any type tranny stock LS1?...MM&FF did run a 13.00 stock and i believe were in the 12's w/ dr's, finally proving the fact that ford doesnt have to supercharge there dohc 4.6 to hang or beat chevy...Some guys on this board have seen stock mach ones pull LS1's pretty good..stick ofcourse

Originally posted by Antz97ZNJ
cars running 13.2's stock isnt an even matchup for any type tranny stock LS1?...MM&FF did run a 13.00 stock and i believe were in the 12's w/ dr's, finally proving the fact that ford doesnt have to supercharge there dohc 4.6 to hang or beat chevy...Some guys on this board have seen stock mach ones pull LS1's pretty good..stick ofcourse


talking out your ass again i see.what have ls1s run stock again?please tell me.i dont care what guys have seen.theres alot of races where the faster car loses.doesnt mean ****.

you really need to think first before you post.sorry if im asking too much.:D

not to start a flame or call anyone a liar but the issue of mm&ff that i saw all were hitting the low 13's on drag radials. unless there is a different one or i am mistaken. please dont come back with a flame war i just want to make sure i got my facts straight.

also the best time i found on motor trends website was a 13.8@102.5

dont remember the magazine,maybe it was MM@FF.bit i did read where a mach 1 hit 12s on DRs.lets also look back and remember remember the time they also got out of a heavy ass SS when it was 90 degrees out STOCK.:cool:

Mach1's are just about as fast as lt1's are stock maybe a tad faster...

so if ur engine is tired it may not win but chances are if ur stock u'll stick w/ him...

Originally posted by NewbieWar
Mach1's are just about as fast as lt1's are stock maybe a tad faster...

so if ur engine is tired it may not win but chances are if ur stock u'll stick w/ him...

I love people who have no clue what they are talking about :lol:

Originally posted by Sephiroth
I love people who have no clue what they are talking about :lol:



must be ANTZ is disguise.:lol:

Originally posted by Sephiroth
I love people who have no clue what they are talking about :lol:

:lol: like u for example?

Mach 1 info as follows
Engine:
Modular 4.6 Liter (281 CID)
32 Valve, DOHC
Compression Ratio: 10.1:1
Horsepower: 305
Torque: 320 ft/lb
Rear end gear ratio: 3.55:1
Dual 57mm Throttle Bodies

less torque, the car weights more, wont have the high end that a stock lt1 will have due to gears.

here is the slowest mach1 speed ive found... looks like a bad run

2.375, 14.710 @ 96.69

the fastest stock i see is

2.038, 13.262 @ 105.78

which i will retract my statement, thats a slow 60 second time for a 13.2

here is what the auto gets

14.29_ @ 98.42 doesnt mention 60 sec time

On car-stats.com it says 13.8 in the 1/4. Personally the fastest(also the only one) i have seen on one was a 13.7x but i don't know if that was a stock one or not. His exhaust was pretty loud though.
But car-stats.com also says a 2001 z28 only gets a 13.9 so i don't know how accurate they are.

2001 z28's are like 13.2s

03 Cobra fastest
03 mach1 comparable to 98-02 F-body Ls1
99-03 Gt comparable to 93-97 f-body lt1
5.0 stangs comparable to 350 tpi 3rd gen F-bodys

mach 1s are comparable but theyre still a little slower than m6 fbody ls1s.

Originally posted by power302
03 Cobra fastest
03 mach1 comparable to 98-02 F-body Ls1
99-03 Gt comparable to 93-97 f-body lt1
5.0 stangs comparable to 350 tpi 3rd gen F-bodys

the mach 1 and ls1 i can see as comparable but the gt and the lt1?:no: from all the ones i race its some what even throught the quarter mile but after that they tend to fade back quickly. just my .02

Originally posted by NewbieWar
:lol: like u for example?

Mach 1 info as follows
Engine:
Modular 4.6 Liter (281 CID)
32 Valve, DOHC
Compression Ratio: 10.1:1
Horsepower: 305
Torque: 320 ft/lb
Rear end gear ratio: 3.55:1
Dual 57mm Throttle Bodies

less torque, the car weights more, wont have the high end that a stock lt1 will have due to gears.

here is the slowest mach1 speed ive found... looks like a bad run

2.375, 14.710 @ 96.69

the fastest stock i see is

2.038, 13.262 @ 105.78

which i will retract my statement, thats a slow 60 second time for a 13.2

here is what the auto gets

14.29_ @ 98.42 doesnt mention 60 sec time


Um, no like you dumbass. A Mach1 will wipe your stock LT1. I'll run you in my stock GT.
Again, you have no clue, try again.