im getting some new tires and the htr + looks like it would have good traction and thats what i would like... everyone seems to be saying to stay away from kumho ectsa supra 712

 

For the most part, you get what you pay for with tires.

I've heard about a lot of problems with the 712's as well. I've heard of people being happy with the Sumitomo's, but those were people who have never tried a BFGoodrich KD or KDW, or a Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3, or any other real tires.

 

The Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 is a crappy tire imo. Hard to get them to hook-up + they are absolutely horrible in wet conditions.

 

Sumitomo makes a good cheap all season. Like said before, you get what you pay for. If traction is a big issue for you look at BFG's gForce TA's or Eagle F1's. Or better yet, drag radials.

 

I'll translate that.

If you just want a tire to roll on the Sumi are OK, but if you want performance then look elsewhere because the Sumis will limit you.

 

yokohoma has an awesome tire (i think) it seems to have good reviews and it costs 110 on tirerack? DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY INPUT It is a yokoham avs es 100

 

let me clear up some confusion... I think what some ppl were trying to say is that the sumitomo's weren't good tires because they have a massive budget to blow and don't worry too much about treadwear, or what will happen when (God forbid) you get caught in a rain shower w/ your drag radials. Joking aside, it really does depend on your budget, needs and how much you're going to drive your car. If it's a weekend car that doesn't see too much rain or daily driving, go with a more extreme tire (as well as more expensive). To be sure, there are better tires out there, but if you don't want to (or just can't like the rest of us) pay top dollar for a tire, then I don't think the sumitomo's will disappoint you at all. If you're coming from stock, you'll be blown away, and if you were to even come from the Ecsta 712, you'd still be blown away by the difference. But again, if you like the way your "name brand" more expensive tire looks on your car as it's sitting in the ditch off of a wet road, go the top of the line route. I'll even pay for your tow truck.

 

If you're going to drive your Camaro in the rain with any frequency, there are only three tires I recommend. In order of preference:

1. Michelin Pilot Sport PS2
2. Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3
3. BFGoodrich g-Force KDW.

Anything else and you'll prefer to stay home rather than drive it in the rain. Yes, all three are expensive tires.

If it's only ever going to see dry roads, I recommend the best summer-only tire you can afford.

If you're going to drive it in the winter, get a separate set of wheels and put some snow tires on them.

 

Like I stated earlier, Sumitomo makes an excellent budget tire. The tread life on them sucks (fairly comparable to Kuhmo) and they don't hook for ****, and if the thread starter is interested in traction (as stated in the original post) he should look at a better tire.

My friend has a 383 LT1 SS and he's running BFG KDW's and he says the hook up for him pretty damn good. I've never ran that tire though because I've always ran all seasons on my car (with the exception of drag radials during the summer)

I personally have Sumitomo HTR's on my car right now. They're cheap and they offer it in both 275/40/17 & 315/35/17 which is exactly what I wanted.

 

You can't really go wrong with the BFG G-FORCE KDW's. Good all around tire, might be pricey, but like previously stated : you get what you pay for...bottom line.

 

Actually, the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 gets equal or better ratings on all counts and costs a little less.

I haven't had a set of KDWs, so I'm not speaking from personal experience, but I LOVE my GS-D3s.

 

You're comparing an all season Sumi to a Summer only Kumho? As much as I don't like them, the Kumho 712 will have better performance except in snow. You can't tell me a 400 AA A tire is going to out perform a 280 AA A tire in dry conditions which is when us sane people push our cars to the limits. The 712 even scored higher in Hydroplane resistance and wet traction.

I'll tip you off to some tires that Ive been impressed with that don't cost much if you're on a budget.
Federal 595
No, they're no track tire, but they hold up to my cammed LS1 better than the 712s did.

BTW, my car is totally daily driven and I'm running Falken RT-615's. It isn't that I have a massive budget. Its more that I don't see the logic in modding a car to acheive higher performance only to have that reduced by cheap tires that have limited traction and sidewall stiffness.

 

Treadwear ratings are not regulated or standardized. Kumho's 280 AA A has absolutely nothing to do with Sumitomo's 400 AA A. You simply can't compare them and expect your conclusion to be accurate. The numbers are only good for comparing tires of the same brand, and even then, the exact meaning of the numbers and the scale to which they apply is unclear.

 

i don't mean to sound rude here...but I don't think ayone noticed my question about wheather the Yokohama avs es 100is a good tire, because i can get those off of tire rack for 110$ apiece , and the they look good and have some good review/ratings.

 

Perhaps if you told us which tire you're talking about, we could offer our feedback.