your dad runs high 13's in his z28. i do low 13 in my v6. if you really wanna know how much a gear change will do for 4th gen camaro's. pick up the latest copy of gm high tech performance and look for yourself.

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Fear the raven.

 

Changing gears isn't cheap. Best to buy a rear end from a z28 or something... the trick is recalibrating your speedo. If you dont', your MPH will be off by about 10% and so will your odometer...meaning you'll be driving slower than your speedo indicates, and when your odometer reads 100000miles, you'll really only be at 90000, which could make reselling a nightmare

Gears will give you torque, you might want to consider a 2800 stall torque converter as well. Other mods that work well with this setup are Transgo Shift and corvette servo.

To each his own... you'll get hundreds of different opinions on what way to modify your car. It all depends on what you want.

Good luck...

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1997 silver Camaro RS
SLP CAI, 2 1/2" dual Ravin! exhaust, b&m shift improver, SLP air temp mod, 180 thermo.

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I just got back from Advance Auto and the guy said anyone who puts A 160 degree thermostat and a manual fan switch is crazy. He told me the 160 thermo would mess up my engine so bad and there was abosolutely no need for a fan switch. He said 3.73 gears is what I need and to get the whole kit (including speedo reprogrammer) from SLP, get a 2800 stall torque converter, and get the auto place down the street to port my heads, intake, and exhaust and I would be set. He also said headers work make a big difference. He suggested doing the Ram Air (free) and gettin a tube from Home Depot and running it from the bottom on the intake to the front 2 openings in the nose, where that little grey piece that says camaro is and it would give me about 15 hsp. What do you all think my times would be then? Thanks for the info!

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99 Black 3800 II
KN Filter
Flowmaster
3 1/2" Chrome Tips
Home-made Whipser Lid
Replace Cat w/ X-pipe
AC Delco Platinum Plugs
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i know 3 guys that work at advanced auto parts.......dont listen to them. some dont know what they are talking about, others just say stuff to get you to leave with their stuff. alought some deffiantly know there sh*t. you live in SC. a 160 thermo is fine, and a manuel fan switch is always a good idea for the track or other wise. the thing i think is wrong with your ET is that the weather had to do with it. if you went recently...it has be hot as hell, and the humidity has been thick. that probabably didnt help your time. just keep practicing and wait till fall when you get some nice crisp air.

mm2harrell- why dont you try to help the man instead of being detrimental to his cuase.
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[This message has been edited by camaroKID (edited August 01, 2002).]

 

They were right about the gears and converter, but wrong about the thermo and fan switch in my opinion.

A 160 thermo won't help you much at the track but i'd recommend it for engine life...running the engine cooler all the time is good. The fan switch is great for racing...especially on those summer days when staging... it's the best way to keep your engine cool.

As for gears....3.73's will help your times better but i'd go for 3.42's if you still plan on using your car to drive on the highway. With 3.73's, you'll lose a lot of top end power and your car will rev a lot higher at highway speeds. 3.42's and a 2800 stall converter could take a second off your et i've been told repeatedly.

Also, consider the Transgo and vette servo if you've got the extra little bit of money.



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1997 silver Camaro RS
SLP CAI, 2 1/2" dual Ravin! exhaust, b&m shift improver, SLP air temp mod, 180 thermo.

http://members.rogers.com/ravenp

 

I know what the transgo is but what is the corvette servo? As for the gears, im still debating on 3.42 or 3.73. 3.73 would give me better times but ive still gotta drive it around town. So im still not sure.

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99 Black 3800 II
KN Filter
Flowmaster
3 1/2" Chrome Tips
Home-made Whipser Lid
Replace Cat w/ X-pipe
AC Delco Platinum Plugs
AOL IM: PlatinumSmoke00

 

The corvette servo(s) make the tranny use less clutch engagement on 1-2, 2-3 shifts.

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1997 silver Camaro RS
SLP CAI, 2 1/2" dual Ravin! exhaust, b&m shift improver, SLP air temp mod, 180 thermo.

http://members.rogers.com/ravenp

 

i am trying to help the guy. no one wants to listen. read the latest issue of gm high tech performance for info on how much gear changes will help. coincidentally, it also has a blurb about if a thermostat and a manual fan switch will help or not. pick up a copy, then decide for yourself. you can use all the trick little gimmicks you want, but if they don't produce torque, you're wasting your time. you'll just be wondering why you only have 15's with your mods while the guy with nitrous you lined up with got a low 13 time. if you need to ask any further questions call "Millenium Autosports" in portsmouth, virginia. the number is (757)488-4909. talk to grey.

oh yeah. and i also ran at cooper river dragway in sc.

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Fear the raven.

 

Just got paid and this money is burning a hole in my pocket. This is what Im thinking about buyin for now: SLP Ram Air Induction - $129, Transgo Shift Kit - $109, and B&M Transmission Cooler - $55. All from Thunder Racing. Where can I find a Corvette Servo? How much do they cost? Ill pick up the GM High Tech Performance and see what I can find. Thanks.

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~Josh~
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99 Black 3800 II
KN Filter
Flowmaster
3 1/2" Chrome Tips
Home-made Whipser Lid
Replace Cat w/ X-pipe
AC Delco Platinum Plugs
AOL IM: PlatinumSmoke00

 

no problem man. i'm not saying that a rearend and a manual fan switch aren't good things to get one day. i'm just saying, you're not gonna get the results you want. this is what i did to mine.

K&N high flow air intake
flowmaster dual exhaust
eibach lowering springs
venom 400 engine controller
accel 300+ race wires
zoom powertorque clutch
zex 100 horse nitrous kit

i have had this combo for over a year and i have had nothing but success with it.

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Fear the raven.

 

We're all trying to help him... but not everybody wants to run nitrous... and in my case, budget is a concern and I dont' like nitrous.

I'm perfectly happy improving my et 3 tenths at a time. If I eventually get to the 13's great... if not, still having fun.

Your points are valid, but so are mine.

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1997 silver Camaro RS
SLP CAI, 2 1/2" dual Ravin! exhaust, b&m shift improver, SLP air temp mod, 180 thermo.

http://members.rogers.com/ravenp

 

Yea i dont mind improving my time little by little, but nitrous is just not an option for me right now. I can afford the risk of nitrous with school and work. If I can run low 14s w/o nitrous i am perfectly satisfied with that. Ive got a list of things I want to do to the car I just need the funds to do it. This is my list: Ram Air, 3.73 Gears, Headers, Venom 400 or Jet Chip, Port Heads/Intake/Exhaust/Throttle Body, 2800 or 2600 Stall Torque Converter, Transgo Shift Kit, B&M Transmission Cooler, Corvette Servo. That goes along with the already Home-made whisper lid, K&N filter (give no power), Remove Cat, and Flowmaster Muffler. Hopefully the combination of this entire list will get me to low 14s. Does anyone think it will? Thanks

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~Josh~
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99 Black 3800 II
KN Filter
Flowmaster
3 1/2" Chrome Tips
Home-made Whipser Lid
Replace Cat w/ X-pipe
AC Delco Platinum Plugs
AOL IM: PlatinumSmoke00

 

Something that always bothers me is when people say crap like "I run 13's and they run 15's so don't listen to them". So does that mean that everyone should be quiet and listen to you? You have an opinion and if others sprayed n2o, you would be one of the many 13 second V6's.

My question 13 second man, NA times? That is what the guys responding are talking about.

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1996 Z28 Camaro
2001 best 1/4 BFG DR's NA - 11.865@113.57 w/1.634 60', 1/8 - 7.563@89.82mph Best 1/4 MPH 114.82 - Best 1/8 MPH 90.73 - 2002 Mid 11's NA, Mid 10's n2o

1989 GMC 1500 truck for work 18.1@73 305
8 cats to feed clean after 1999 V6 Mustang 5 speed
15.358@89.47 MPH w/ 2.227 60'
15.364@90.92 MPH w/ 2.383 60'

 

That's always a tough thing to say for certain, but if you stick with 2800 stall or 3000, i would say it's attainable under good weather conditions.

With those gears and everything you're saying, I dont' think 2600 would help all that much... anyone else?

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1997 silver Camaro RS
SLP CAI, 2 1/2" dual Ravin! exhaust, b&m shift improver, SLP air temp mod, 180 thermo.

http://members.rogers.com/ravenp

 

What year Z28 does your dad drive? If it is an LS1 and he runs a 13.9 he definately needs to practice....
Another thing I noticed, your reaction time has nothing to do with your ET. What matters is your 60ft. That is what will REALLY affect your ET. Your mph is low too. With practice alone you'll see a time diff. But with better gears and traction you'll se an even bigger difference!
Good luck,
Rick
ps. What was your 60ft on those runs? what rpm were you launching at? What were your shift points? What gear were you crossing the traps in?