Say i get this Black 98 V6..what would i need to get it to run high 13's to even mid 14's? i want to stay N/A no N20. i imagine itd take a whole lot but im 16 so ive got time...they run what 15.5 stock so id figure to start....
-bf DR
-full exhaust
-SFC
-LCA
help me out i know nothing about V6's!

 

You will need a whole lot more than bf DR, full exhaust, SFC, LCA,
to even think of 13's. With those mods you will be running low 15's probably. 3.8's run low 16's, high 15's. You are on the right tract though, you will need traction, exhaust is a good start, and stiffining up the suspension is a great idea. I would also say intake. If you want to stay NA, then i recomend a cam.

 

Yea, the 3.8s with crappy drivers and low gears.

 

Well i guess you are also saying that most 3.8 drivers are indeed crappy drivers from your comment? Because yet again, most 3.8's run stock high 15's, low 16's.


But then again, you run a 14.89 with these mods?
STOCK PERFORMANCE-APPEARANCE PKGS:
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3.42 GEAR RATIO, LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL, REAR DISC BRAKES, GROUND EFFX, T-TOPS, CHROME 16" WHEELS & 235-55-16" GOODYEAR TIRES.

PERFORMANCE MODIFICATIONS:
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HYPERTECH 160* THERMOSTAT, WHISPER AIR INDUCTION LID + RAM AIR KIT, K&N AIR FILTER, REMOVED MAF SCREEN, O2 SIMULATOR, CATCO 3" HI-FLOW CAT CONVERTER, SUMMIT 3" CUTOUT, FLOWMASTER 3" CAT-BACK EXHAUST, HOOKER 3" DUAL TIPS, SPRINT XTREME SPRINGS, BMR STRUT BRACE, LOWER CONTROL ARMS + RELOCATION BRACKETS. FUTURE MODIFICATIONS ARE COMIN.


So after all of those mods you are coming out with that ET, so why dont you comprehend why a BONE STOCK 3.8 would run high 15's?

 

i thought so, mad props to your ride man its sweet. and from your mods list if youre running 14.89 w/ that then low 14's dont seem TOO hard to get...

 

I think i pretty much hit it on the head on my estimate. I said you would be looking at low 15's with full exhaust, and some suspension work.

shortdog273 has intake work, and even more suspension work than you listed, and he is running 14.89.

Also like i said, the addition of a cam could put you into low-mid 14's. So if you are saying a full exhaust, intake and some engine work is not too hard, then ok, you are right low 14's arent hard to achieve NA.

 

if you want 13s in your 3.8 you will need everything in my sig except a motor that works.

 

All of those mods? Lol, It's just broken down into detail. When it boils down to it, my intake, exhaust and LCAs are the only mods that affect my times. 3.42 gears and LSD isn't a mod since it came STOCK on the ride. I don't see too many 3.8s in the 16s or even high 15s from this list: http://timeslips.firebirdv6.com/ You figure.

 

First get ready to gut the car. Remove as much weight as possible.
Then:
Gears(3.73 or 4.10), converter(3200-3600), cam(212/212 or bigger, I would probably get springs also), skinnies, drag radials, and the usual misc stuff like intake/exhaust will get you in low 14s for sure. If you can't get into low 14s with those mods then you either can't hook or are racing at Denver. High 13s will be very probable but your car must be light and the combos you picked must be right. Car must be tuned also. I noticed a SOTP difference when I leaned mine out to .890s and advanced timing 2-4 degrees. I haven't track tested that yet though. You'll need PCM programming for the gears and up your rev limiter to 6300-6500.

It's not hard to do. You just need the money to get those mods. My friend here ran 13.8 with a manual. Nothing was even ported.

 

I ran a 16.0 once. I had intake/exhaust, 3.42s, posi and slipping transmission. I also had no experience in taking off. Temperature was in the 90s and car was hot. First time out at the track. You can't just step in and be an expert at racing from day one.

 

Dom, I was an expert at day one. J/K, but ONE 16.0 don't qualify your car as a 16 sec car, especially since it was your first time and the weather conditions was not in your favor.

 

Most 3.8's stock run 15.7-16.3 from what i have witnessed, and heard from other people.

On that link you gave me there are over 40 3.8's that run in that time frame. The most of the others are in the lower to mid 15's.
That site doesnt even say what mods that those cars have.

You have mods you are running 14.89, basically 8 tenths faster than average, that woudl be attributed to your mods, track prep, and weather scenario. Please don't sit here and turn this into a rediculous argument over what STOCK 3.8's run. I said from the get go getting 13's would be hard in a 3.8, on that list you showed me there are a whole 2 cars running int he 13's NA.

 

So you're an expert on the 3800 because...?

 

Driver skill, track conditions, weather, and elevation could easily account for over a second in the 1/4.

 

Thank you. You took the words right out of my mouth. This is main reason I had to hand alot of youngsters their azzes, because they figured I had a "16 sec" car, EVEN with my basic mods.