if you saw these videos (shot from the inside of the 1le), then you would know that he is getting the wave-by because he is cleary lapping faster. and, since that you are very familiar with both m3 and 4th gen, then you prolly know that in a street environment, a properly setup fbod can hang and not be "destroyed" in the twisties like you wrote in one of your previous posts.

i get pretty cranky when ppl say the fbod doesn't handle. all of the chassis mods i have done to mine are simple and not terribly expensive. you just gotta know where to spend your money to get the best out of the car. heck, just springs, shocks and a proper alignment will get you 50% of the way there.

 

i think the handling stuff is irrelevant to this post. both cars can be made to handle great and perform at a national level in autocross (FWIW when they are in the same class, SM, the m3 prevails)

however, implying that the more expensive (bmw whatever this guy raced) car sucks because it lost to a cheaper car (f-body) is ridiculous.

1) if someone has the resources to buy a late model m-series bimmer, they also have the resources to figure out that a camaro tends to be a better straight line performer and the resources to buy one. for all we know, that guy had a ss in his garage.

2) a lot (not all) of the people that laugh at beating the more expensive car are the same people that'll say "its still JUST a neon" or will say "well, we still got the better looking car, that thing is a bucket, i'd still take the camaro over it" when an f-body loses to a $3k primered sbc vega

 

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...e/fab639c5.jpg

 

We have to end this thread right now, this is gettting so off topic. The point of my story was that he taunted me and I ended up wooping his ***. The car was the car I said it was. And I thought that in a camaro forum people would just laugh because a cheaper car beat the more expensive car, like a beater sleeper car getting taunted by a fast flashy car, and losing. I was hoping for a couple if "nice kill" or "congrats on the win", not all this stupid sidetrack bullsh!t. I'm sorry I even posted in. Enough is Enough. Just let it go.

 

Well, lately this is just how the kills forum is. If you're not ready to argue about something, don't post a kill!! Not trying to be an ***, but there are asses on here who sidetrack your threads. Just a heads up.

John

 

In addition to the Z3s, BMW offers the M Coupe and M Roadster. Although these cars are in the M line with the five-seat M3 Coupe and Convertible, they're actually more like Z3s, using the same basic bodywork. If 225 horsepower isn't enough for you from the 3.0-liter Z3, the M is what you want, with a 3.2-liter engine producing a killer 315 horsepower. The Roadster sells for $45,990, including freight; the Coupe retails for $44,990.

-B

 

For the price difference, I'd expect what you say to be true. Funny thing is, the newer model M3's actually don't handle as well as the model they replaced! Car and Driver named the previous model the "best driving car period"! That's a pretty big distinction.

Jason

 

Dude, this is the net......you're taking it waaayyy to seriously. Also, look at the sigs of the guys posting...most of the guys giving you sh*t don't even own an F body.

Btw, you listed your kill as an M3 roadster (which doesn't exist per se), but posted links to the M Roadster.....2 different cars.

Jason

 

A Camaro is hardly a "sleeper" car. With the 68 degree swooping windshield, wedge apperance, rear wing, bulged fenders make Camaros flashier than BMWs.

It is all in the individual's perception...

 

Agreed,
I used to own a 1996 328IS. Steering response was excellent. Handled great, then I drove a 1995 318IS. With only 4 cylinders there was not much power (118hp) but handled even better than the 328! Because of the light weight engine. These cars were all stock with BMW handling option. E36 cars are lighter than the E46 cars and handle great. E46 chassis is lot stiffer than E36 and is a better platform for serious suspension. E46 M3 does not have as good steering feel as E36, but it does handle. Car & Driver (or R&D, etc) keep selecting E46 M3 as one of the best cars ever built.

 

Good kill.

I've never been impressed by any of the "M" cars. I hear they're fun to drive though.

 

"Killer" 315hp? Let's see now, there are F-bodies (mine included) that make more than 315hp with just three (out of eight) cylinders. Killer indeed. A stock LS1 about that much hp at the rear wheels.

Nice cars, but hardly "killer" in the hp category.

Rich Krause