Originally Posted by Antz97ZNJ

Im glad you think your buddy made sence out of what you said but It looks like your talkin in circles to me...Id like to see some documentation that a stroked l98 outperforms a stroked 5.0....and as for the LS1 issue, snorman and crosby already made you look like a complete idiot on this exact subject not so long ago so im not even gonna touch that.

Originally Posted by 6-Fitz

Steve Y are you still posting? Hey, your name can actually be used for something useful. I was thinking it was used to reference troll d$%&. See I know what ur prob. is. The prob. is , you're not terribly smart. Yep, your secret is out. Steve, u prove this by resorting to name calling. U can't prove me wrong w/ facts so u go to the childish name calling. Well, I can be a kid too. In fact, I'm feeling the inner child in me right now.

U call me a dumbass. Is that the best your feeble mind can come up with. If u read the post a little more closely u will notice what I said about your precious 5.0. I said I had not seen a 5.0 stock run low 14s in person, however I remember reading about a stripper notch, stang running 14.3 in motortrend back in the 90s. Now, for me to see this 5.0 run a 14.3 I would've had to be where motortrend was at when they ran the number. Correct? But since I was not, that means I did not see it personally. Thus proving your whole schizophrenic mumbo jumbo a farce. Sorry to take ur thunder of finally being able to spell a big word and use it in a sentence away from u but what can I tell ya. Who's the dumbass? I am not the 1 who can not spell their own last name. It's a shame u can only spell the 1st letter of ur last name. Y is that? I'll give this question a try, It's because ur dumb. Hey Steve what come after Y? Is it Y am I a troll stick? Steve Y are you trying to appear knowledgeable about mustangs and camaros. You did not even know that 5.0s did not ever have forged pistons in the fox chassis. Even tho u said they did. Which BTW is wrong. Steve Y don't u save urself further embarassment and leave this debate to grown folks who actually have a clue.

Also hows that pigstang of yours? You know Ant, thanx for reminding me of that whole fiasco from last yr between steve-y-so-dumb, crosby and snorman. That was pretty funny. Stevey you were an idiot then and you're an idiot now! So an 88 & up L98 will not beat a 5.0? You have proven urself an idiot once again. I don't need a mag. to prove that point. Light weight will only get u so far then the inferiority of a motor will show up. L98 wins! Also, who needs a stripper L98 to whup up on a 5.slow. Hell, there r plenty of 5-speed tpi cars that will run neck and neck and sometimes beat a stock 5.0. I have seen it done and I have done it. Whatever you r smokin on I want some. Oh wait, since you smoke di$!, I think I will pass.

You keep saying u have proven me wrong on sooo many things. Where's your proof? Oh, I'm sorry, u don't have any. Morons usually don't. I still challenge u to prove me wrong on anything I have stated. And u need to have facts. Your blabbering will not cut it anymore!

Originally Posted by 97bowtie

There have been countless A4 LS1s in the 13.1-13.4 @ 104-107 range 100% bone stock....needless to say, far quicker than a GN in optimal running condition.

Scenario - you have a 100% bone stock GN and a 100% bone stock auto LS1 Z28/TA...who are you honestly going to put your money on? If you can honestly say GN, good for you. But you'd lose your money.

To say LS1s are torqueless is ridiculous at best. I'll just leave it at that as it's obvious you will argue till your death.

Originally Posted by Big Red Jim

Yeah, but with the typing skills and grammar of a three year old, thankfully no one will read his useless drivel.

Originally Posted by 6-Fitz

I don't know what magical wunderland u r from where 5.0s, stock, run low 14s but could u please direct me there so I can start believing in ferries. Or even better so I can see pink elephants fly. That place prolly the place where all Ls1s run 13.0s stock. Truth hurts don't it.

Originally Posted by 6-Fitz

Also do ur homework buddy, 5.0s do not have forged pistons they only had a forged bottom end. U know, rods and crank.

Originally Posted by 6-Fitz

Steve Y, the truth hurts. HaHah! U should know. Don't u hate that a 5.0 is not really all that tough stock. Never was. Cool car and all but it can be beat by a 5.0 roc. Its all in the driver. I can testify to that. I have done it on several occasions. Hell, my old atx SHO was beating up on some stock stang 5.0. Especially if they were autos. Can u say dog? LOL! Even recall whupin some m5 5.0s. So don't even get me started on that. I don't know what magical wunderland u r from where 5.0s, stock, run low 14s but could u please direct me there so I can start believing in ferries. Or even better so I can see pink elephants fly. That place prolly the place where all Ls1s run 13.0s stock. Truth hurts don't it. U better go get some more education on these stangs if u want to debate me. Ant97NJ, If u were refering to me abvout the potential of a 5.0 vs. a 350 tpi for potetial u r wrong. Get rid of that crappy intake on the tpi and go w/ a stealth ram and watch the tide turn on ur beloved 5.0. Also do ur homework buddy, 5.0s do not have forged pistons they only had a forged bottom end. U know, rods and crank. Other than that most 5.slows that go fast ditch there intakes for better flowing 1s when they get seriou about speed. Go check around. Also this whole debate is suspect anyway. There r some phatom 5.0s out there that do rungood for stock. I personally have not sween a low 14sec. stock stang ever. I read about 1 back in the early 90s that ran a 14.2 or 14.3. That number was ccomplished by motortrend against a corvette. It was also a stripped down notch w/ no amennities w/ 5-speed. So thus proving the whole weight thing I was talking about earlier in the post. Also as the last guy said u can beat the crap out of 5.0 and they do live but so does a tpi motor. So thats a draw. GMHTP got a 87 350 roc to run a mid 12 1/4 while being stuck in 2nd gear. Now granted it did have intake, cam, and heads. So there goes ur whole potential thing. U guys think the 5.0 and the ls1s r gods. They r not! There's a little buick v6 out there that will and has wipe the street w/ most of yall. BTW wasn't that the title of the thread anyway. Oh btw, I have followed the performance of 3rd gens and stangs every since the 80s. I am not some neeb to these cars as most of u r. Granted most of the time a tpi would lose to a 5.0 back then. That's only because they were apple to oranges races. How is a heavier car w/ auto going to beat a lighter care w/ a m5 w/ the same engine displacement? Yeah, not going to happen. But do apples to apples and its a driver's race. Go and prove me wrong! Even ur mags. will point that out to u. And really I go by the streets for my results.

Originally Posted by fly89gta

Monterey Maple Metallic, tan leather, auto, ttops...the works..

Originally Posted by '88Saleen

Another GMHT quote.

From the March of 1997 issue page 34 titled "whammer jammer". A feature on a '88 GTA.
" Some of the more important facets are the L98 TPI 350,700R4 auto,G92 performance axle package which includes 3.27 gears.
Jerry wasted no time getting his new ride out to the strip to see what it could do. Much to his dismay, the 3700lb bird could only muster a 16.05 at a meager 85mph."

I have more hot rod and other mags from the 80's and 90's where they say similar things. I can dig more out of storage for you. i know that Muscle car reveiw mag named the 5.0 mustang as muscle car of the year every year from '87-'92.

Originally Posted by Steve Y

What color is that? A brown?

Originally Posted by '88Saleen

From the March of 1997 issue page 34 titled "whammer jammer". A feature on a '88 GTA.
" Some of the more important facets are the L98 TPI 350,700R4 auto,G92 performance axle package which includes 3.27 gears.
Jerry wasted no time getting his new ride out to the strip to see what it could do. Much to his dismay, the 3700lb bird could only muster a 16.05 at a meager 85mph."

Originally Posted by fly89gta

That gives you idea on what it is. It's a really, really metallic maroon. Not many this color...and a REAL bitch to keep clean lol.

Originally Posted by Steve Y

That's a lot nicer color than I imagined it would be. I though maple, like maple syrup. An ugly brown.

Originally Posted by Steve Y

Here's one for the other side. Motor Trend magazine got a stock '92 Z28 350 to do a 14.4 at 98. The best 5.0 5-speed LX they ever ran did a 14.8 at 96.