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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 09:56 PM
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Something tells me the Lambo had to have more than stock + exhaust. They trap maybe 117ish. A Cobra with that much power should walk all over a car that trapped like that. Let's face it -- the Cobra was putting to the pavement what the stock Gallardo does at the crank. Traps are still a great way to tell how hard a car is accelerating on the top end, and that Cobra should be way over 117 -- at the very least 120-122 mph.

Gearing, shmearing -- if you're packing 100ish more hp than the other guy, you'll win.
Old Aug 2, 2005 | 10:34 PM
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john m why do you underestimate exotics, that is what they are made for top speed is just a hair under 200, and 0-60 in 4 flat...what in the hell makes you think or anyone else think the "not so stock cobra" stood a chance, and by the the way gallardo puts 500 to the ground...oh and they have like 3.82 gears, maybe the mustand was 4.xx or so
Old Aug 3, 2005 | 02:10 AM
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i agree with autoroc, the weight had a lot to do with it but also don't forget that the lambo has better aerodynamics.
Old Aug 3, 2005 | 07:56 AM
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I haven't seen the video (it was already down) but if they didn't race to like 150+, aerodynamics wouldn't be that huge of a factor. Again -- a 500whp Cobra should trap much higher than a Gallardo, meaning it should win unless they went to really high speeds.

The Lambo does NOT make 500whp; it makes 498 @ the crank and 376 torque. Since it's AWD, you can count on maybe 410-420whp. I'd bet the Mustang has 4.10's too -- it's usually the first mod on the DOHC cars.

I don't underestimate exotics. I just don't give them an automatic win either.
Old Aug 3, 2005 | 02:25 PM
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actually it does make 500 bhp check your facts please
Old Aug 3, 2005 | 02:35 PM
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BHP == crank horsepower!

BHP stands for brake horsepower. That doesn't mean the power is measured at your brakes -- it means that they used a brake to measure the power. BHP is always crank horsepower, i.e. the power before driveline losses.

I have heard rumors that Lambo specs are wheel horsepower, not crank horsepower. The Gallardo makes 500hp (the engines are hand built, and most of them make quite a bit more than the spec), but I can't seem to determine whether that's at the wheels or the crank.

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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 11:30 PM
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Here, I re-uploaded it somewhere else, if someone knows of a better site I'll up it there too. Click on the link and then scroll down and click Free, then you should get a link at the bottom of the next page after a short countdown...
http://rapidshare.de/files/3633870/cobravsg.wmv.html
Old Aug 3, 2005 | 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by AutoRoc
O3 Cobra with mods to achieve 496rwhp vs. a Lambo Gallardo with modded exhaust. Lambo walks Cobra every time. I'm guessing because the Cobra is 3500+ driver and he had an extra passenger, Lambo is just over 3100.

I also seen a video on a road course with both lambos and they pulled very even on the straights... I'd buy the cheaper one and buy a spare race car..hehe

Cobra wasn't racing. I know, because it was me.
It's faster than the speed of sound really, just didnt want the Lambo guy to feel bad.
I stroked my pushrods, and put 2 superchargers on it.
Old Aug 3, 2005 | 11:57 PM
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I saw a vid (on streetfire I think) of a 370 whp z06 racing a 460ish whp cobra and the race was almost dead even. The only thing I can think of is the mustang has ****ty aerodynamics
Old Aug 4, 2005 | 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Z28COnrad
I saw a vid (on streetfire I think) of a 370 whp z06 racing a 460ish whp cobra and the race was almost dead even. The only thing I can think of is the mustang has ****ty aerodynamics

Try over 500 lbs less weight?
Old Aug 4, 2005 | 07:57 AM
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Lets not forget that Lambo's, Ferrari;s and pretty much every other exotic is not built for stop light to stop light racing. There geared for top end, long straight aways and the autobahn. Racing that car from a roll was the first mistake. Especially since the car loves high rpms. And if he did have a chance it would have been from a dig, but he probly would have lost there too since the Lambo is AWD. Wieght is also a big factor. Doesnt the 03/04 cobra's weight in the 3600lbs range? Thats at least a 500lb difference, not to mention aerodynamics. And yes it is important even at 70mph. Take an LS1 in a Vette with a six speed at 70 it will get ten times better gas mileage than a lets say a LS1 with a m6, same rear end ratio in a sliverado for the obivious reason. Its a little extreme I know but it matters and when you start goin over 100.....120mph its becomes a big deal not to mention the extra weight at that speed.

And lastly, those cars (exotics) are faster in real life than on the paper in the magazines.
Old Aug 4, 2005 | 09:55 AM
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Anybody got a another link? This one doen't work anymore.
Old Aug 4, 2005 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by CamaroGuy22
Try over 500 lbs less weight?
oh wow, didn't know it was that much...
Old Aug 4, 2005 | 04:40 PM
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I don't see how the weight could make that big a difference from a roll like that though. Not when the Gallardo should have been down 50rwhp or more (if it's 500hp crank it should be somewhere around 50 rwhp less...) and a huge torque difference, I could see it being a real good race due to the weight difference but for you guys that didn't see the video (I posted another link to it above...) the Lambo put 10+ cars on the guy. I'm thinking it had some other mods or something or the Cobra was not anywhere near 496 rwhp... That rwhp number quote is from the Lambo's cameraman, he may have been way off.

BTW according to R&T the curb weight on the Gallardo is 3295 I think it was. Lighter by a good margin but still not a featherweight.

The only 1/4 times (not it's strongest area I know) I found looked like low 12s at 117-118 mph. A 500rwhp Cobra ought to be able to match that at least, 120ish mph through the 1/4 would be my guess. Should the Gallardo then put 10+ carlengths nearly immediately on a Cobra from a 50ish mph roll?

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Old Aug 4, 2005 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeRobb
BHP == crank horsepower!

BHP stands for brake horsepower. That doesn't mean the power is measured at your brakes -- it means that they used a brake to measure the power. BHP is always crank horsepower, i.e. the power before driveline losses.

I have heard rumors that Lambo specs are wheel horsepower, not crank horsepower. The Gallardo makes 500hp (the engines are hand built, and most of them make quite a bit more than the spec), but I can't seem to determine whether that's at the wheels or the crank.

-Jake
EXACTLY, it is BRAKE HP, just please read over these two defs in order to understand!!
i know this and here, just for your info all manu's measure hp this way

BHP
Brake horsepower. A measurement standard used by manufacturers to help consumers compare engines. NOTE: BHP is measured at the maximum operating RPM of the engine, which may not be the RPM level at which your engine will provide maximum life and consistent performance.

and another def
Brake horsepower (bhp)
Brake horsepower was a term commonly used before the 1970s in the United States, and is still common in the United Kingdom. It indicates the brake, the device for measuring the true power of the engine. Stating power in 'bhp' gives some indication this is a true reading, rather than a calculated or predicted one. However, several manufacturers started to strip their engines of essential ancillaries for the purposes of getting a high horsepower figure to use in marketing the car.

THIS IS HOW HP IS MEASURED!!! just like an 05 mustang gt has 300 bhp, it is now accepted they have 300 rwhp, just as a 05 gallardo se has 500bhp, it is accepted they makes 500 to the ground...the measurement is the same or damn near, this is the ONLY ACCURATE MEANS OF MEASURING HP



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