Originally Posted by '88Saleen

I paid that 6 years ago brand new.Prices may have dropped a little since. It was the whole kit not just the head unit.Everything needed to install just like the $4500 turbo kit.But my whole kit like I said was $1200 less.

Originally Posted by 87camracer

ah, see i misunderstood that part then. i thought you paid that just for the headunit itself. i wont say much more about it to save us from a turbo vs. supercharger debate.

Originally Posted by '88Saleen

Don'y worry about that debate. I think that turbos are better. I have a supercharger becuase the class I originally set the car up for ,FFW's street renegade class does'nt allow turbo's.What we were talking about earlier was price and i think it was Jim that linked over to the site that had the turbo upgrade for $4500 and I wanted to show him how someone could buy a supercharger for a V8 that makes similar power as that particular turbo for less. Thats all I meant and I got into this huge debate.

Originally Posted by 87camracer

nah if youve been around here enough, youll know that everything you argued with is ALWAYS said "against" imports. if an import beating a domestic is caught on tape and posted here, someone will ALWAYS come in thinking we are saying one is better than the other. and more and more and more and well you get the picture. people just cant be mature enough to say nice car and move on it seems.

Originally Posted by '88Saleen

I paid that 6 years ago brand new.Prices may have dropped a little since. It was the whole kit not just the head unit.Everything needed to install just like the $4500 turbo kit.But my whole kit like I said was $1200 less.

Originally Posted by 87camracer

you know funny you should mention "real hot rodders". my uncle happens to have resto modded a true 32 ford coupe. i know its a real one because HIS father bought it brand new in 1932. and it sat in my uncles garage for MANY years where i remember seeing it apart. its now bright *** yellow with an EFI 351 windsor in it. he tours on the Good Guys car showing circuit. one night about 5 years ago me and him got into a conversation about imports and what he thought about them. he said something to the effect of "those guys really have something cool going on there. the way they add different parts and stuff is exactly like what i used to do in the 50s with my car. only its more modernized." so, matt, tell me something, if a "true hot rodder" said something like that, then what merit does your arguement hold here?

and what has "honduh" done with what they have learned? well lets see. they are now walking on the edge of 300hp from a v6 in a fwd family sedan that gets very good gas mileage. several years ago their sedans were running stock lt1 times with 2 fewer cylinders, 2 more doors and fwd. so YOU tell ME what they HAVENT done.

and lastly, there is no way on gods green earth your turd of a motor will EVER compare to anything built after 1993. not ever. so in your sick and twisted little world where you think a hopped up 305 can be faster than anything with more than 100whp, i hope and pray that you run into ANY sort of decently modded import. because it wont be pretty. i would actually pay to be there that day.

PS, you might be able to build a 335 stroker for 1500 bones, but good luck with having it break into even the mid to low 12s and still be anything close to streetable.

Originally Posted by 87camracer

you know funny you should mention "real hot rodders". my uncle happens to have resto modded a true 32 ford coupe. i know its a real one because HIS father bought it brand new in 1932. and it sat in my uncles garage for MANY years where i remember seeing it apart. its now bright *** yellow with an EFI 351 windsor in it. he tours on the Good Guys car showing circuit. one night about 5 years ago me and him got into a conversation about imports and what he thought about them. he said something to the effect of "those guys really have something cool going on there. the way they add different parts and stuff is exactly like what i used to do in the 50s with my car. only its more modernized." so, matt, tell me something, if a "true hot rodder" said something like that, then what merit does your arguement hold here?

and what has "honduh" done with what they have learned? well lets see. they are now walking on the edge of 300hp from a v6 in a fwd family sedan that gets very good gas mileage. several years ago their sedans were running stock lt1 times with 2 fewer cylinders, 2 more doors and fwd. so YOU tell ME what they HAVENT done.

and lastly, there is no way on gods green earth your turd of a motor will EVER compare to anything built after 1993. not ever. so in your sick and twisted little world where you think a hopped up 305 can be faster than anything with more than 100whp, i hope and pray that you run into ANY sort of decently modded import. because it wont be pretty. i would actually pay to be there that day.

PS, you might be able to build a 335 stroker for 1500 bones, but good luck with having it break into even the mid to low 12s and still be anything close to streetable.

Originally Posted by 85_305

You know whats even funnier? My g/f's (not that you know what a *girlfriend is, as you are too busy bonering over your freaking imports) mom's boyfriend is about 55. Everytime one of those retarded sh*t-mobiles fly's by the house, he always swears and says "damned econobox trash; i hate those f*cking weedwhackers ".

Originally Posted by 87camracer

ive tried to be nice all along, but you really DONT know wtf you are talking about do you? boost pressure has very little to do with hp output.

let me ask you something. hypothetically here, say i have an ls1 and i want to turbo it. which would be the better turbo for my car with a near stock redline (lets say 6500 rpms)?

A. T70
B. T76
C. T88
D. None of the above

if no one answers before you do, i bet you get it wrong. and how is it suddenly worse to "hand somebody 3g's for a turbo, and then just push the accelerator and win." than it is to hand someone 25-30k for a (then) brand new ls1 and run the same times? that has nothing to do with this arguement anyway.

and lastly, not a single person on this site has proven my "ricer-logic" wrong.

Originally Posted by 87camracer

have fun.

Originally Posted by Eric G

It didnt cost a assload of cash to make that EVO fast. Im not shure what mods he has, but heres basically what it takes to make that kind of power.

Bottom end
Turbo kit
Cams
Fuel system / fuel managment

+ alot of boost

Originally Posted by cwatts23

which can be said for any car

Originally Posted by Fast Caddie

While it isn't directed at me, i'll point out that little "question" of yours is very vague. Better? What do you mean by that? T70s have made close to 700rwhp, while T76GTS and T88 turbos have both made 1000rwhp in sub-400 cubic inch SBCs of all generations, with close to the rpm limit you imposed (and ~20psi). All were hitting full boost by 4000-4500rpm on the dyno with respectably small turbine housings and A/R ratios, which dyno's tend to hurt spool-up with turbos due to lack of loading, and real-world loads usually make them do a little better. Given the choices above, i'd use the biggest i can afford. Price differences aren't much and boost response isn't much different either. Check out the dyno section of www.turbomustangs.com and see what those guys are doing with the turbos you speak of. A few are over 1000rwhp while not going over 6500rpm, with Brent's foxbody hitting 1177rwhp/1097rwtq at 32psi.