Steve Y

'88Saleen

Exactly, Iv'e seen bone stock C5's running 13.0's. Evan Smith ran 12's with a stock one. I've even seen a auto C5 stock except for Torque converter run 12.6.
FYI the First few of years of the ZR1 they were rated at 375hp and road and track tested one at 12.8 and I saw one run consistant 13.1's. 12.8-13-1 is in C5 territory. It was only the last couple of years they uped the hp to 405.No one was buying the 375hp ones after the LT1 vettes came out. They were almost as fast but cost $20k less.

Antz97ZNJ

Definately cant go by those numbers, c5's run faster then that stock, and Ive yet to see GM come out w/ a new engine where it didnt outperform the previous one...If this is the case GM should do the same thing SVT did when the 02 Cobra was gettin whooped by the 01 in testing and not produce it for that year. W/ some track time im sure we'll be seeing the LS2 c6 cutting low 12's w/ ease and the GTO should be running around the times that the motor trend c6 testing ran.

Snorman

I'm not sure what you're even talking about. Ford never planned, or tested, an '02 Cobra. They were gearing up for the '03 in late-'01/early-'02.
No way in h*ll the '05 GTO is going to go 12.7's. An additional 30-40rwhp isn't nearly enough and it's not dropping weight
They don't go low-13's now, and only a precious few are in the mid-13's.

I never said I didn't think the C6 wouldn't be quicker, but I seriously doubt low-12's. I don't think they'll be as quick as people think.
S.

BirchMan98z

time will tell.

Zeueses 97 RamAir

steve you im not going to even get in it with you, suppose to beat ls1 with drradials bs on that second there is a guy with the worlds fastest bolt on zr1 he runs high 11s or something. They call him the priest. and they were rated 405 one year. Steve you just need to just go your mustang forum oh yea you still want to race the geo it runs 13.9s oh I forgot you beat ls1s on dradials im sorry you are in pre med right anything could happen oh im sorry, whatever you say is right.ph herhttp://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/chevroletcorvettezr1.htmles one page and yes 1993 had 405 heres proof


http://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/...rvettezr1.html

'88Saleen

from '89-'92 ZR1's had 375hp.When they came out with the LT1 in '92 people stopped buying the '92 ZR1's so chevy uped the hp to 405 for the '93-'95 models.
your link says ZR1's run 13.2 stock. Even stock LS1 F bodies have run that. As for that 11 second bolt on ZR1. There are 11 second C5's and LS1 f bodies with just bolt ons out there on slicks.

toneloc12345

They ZR1 might not of had a super quick 1/4 mile time but didn't they have CRAZY top end with those DOHC engines??

TONY

Steve Y

Your link didn't prove sh*t! I want to see a link that says the ZR1 pulls 382 rwhp bone stock, prove it! I beat LS1s with DRs and other mods, deal with it. I will run your Geo anytime. Bring it here and as many bone stock LS1s as you want and I will run them all.

WS Sick

In my old 93 I raced a 95 ZR1 once at the track and several times on the road, the one I raced at the track had only a K&N airfilter and ran 2 12.7s and a 12.8 (the outside temp was 98 degrees, June in Texas , Ennis). I beat him pretty good inthe 1/4 (my car was running 12.3s that day) I later "played with the same guy on the interstate and from about any speed above 30 mph he would walk me really nice. I also played with one here in Oklahoma that had some exhaust and intake type work, he wasted me from rolls very badly.
I feel a LS1 F-car that was near stock or mildly modded on the highway would have the same fate.

RealQuick

They dynoed over 350rwhp stock with theirs. Most LS1's with 310-320rwhp trap 109-110mph.

Also, a couple mags have gotten 115mph out of the C6. Whether they are ringers or not...who knows. All I know is ZO6's trap 115-117 on average with good drivers. C6's have the same power, similar weight, and slightly less aggressive tranny gearing (correct me if i am wrong on the tranny), so i agree they wont be as fast, but I suspect within .2 and 1-2mph of the current ZO6.

nuke61

Yep, essentially the same Hp as a C5 Z06, a bit more weight, less aggressive gearing. All of that will yield a *slightly* less quick car with a better top speed. I'm pretty sure it's now the fastest (top speed) ever production Vette, while the current Z06 is still the quickest.

Zeueses 97 RamAir

your an idiot the link wasnt for you i dont waste my time with you you lie and bull**** to much. I suppose you beat lt1 also that have more horsepower than you at the wheels and run 8.7 in the eighth at 81mph but you run low 13s like vettes right. my freinds 2002 gt mustang can barely run 9.0 inthe eighth and he has more bolt ons then you and you beat ls1s walk them at that lol
i still cant stop laughing my *** off with you

'88Saleen

Top end definatly. But in 0-60,quater mile,and stoplight to stoplight there is'nt much difference in performance at all between a ZR1 and LS1.And that is what really matters.Its not to often were you can do top speed runs on the street.
The LT5 ZRI has potential to make more hp because of the 32 valve heads but in stock trim there close.

Steve Y, I owned 10 mustangs over the years( I still have a Saleen) and have been subscribing to MM&FF for over 10 years and 5.0 since it came out. but look at my sig. One of the reasons why I bought it a LS1 because on average they run the quater about .5 seconds quicker than a GT when both are stock.A couple of the right bolt ons and they run easy 12's.
Evan Smith ran 12.8 in a stock '98 LS1.He did'nt even come close to that in a '99-04 GT.Same driver LS1 was quicker.
You just have'nt ran into a LS1 with a driver that could drive the car properly.

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Antz97ZNJ

That 6.0 L is shining already...LG Motorsports got 29 hp and 44 ft pds of torque from LTs...In Lous own words it felt slow stock and fast after the headers...thats amazing gains. God only knows what this car will put out w/ heads and cam