When I owned my LT1, I used to HATE LS1 guys. Thought they were cocky, braggin about having a motor barely better then an LT1, etc. I thought I was gonna be LT1 4 life.

Then I got a better job, sold my falling apart 94 Z, and bought and 01 WS6.

wow...

Bone stock I was neck and neck with my friends LT1 with 224/230XE, full exhaust, programming, gears, etc.

I'd like to take this opportunity to pledge my allegiance to the LS1 crowd and renounce any ties to the LT1.

 

While I do love my LT1, I had to do a lot to get it where it is...It won't take nearly as much work to get my wifes 2000 SS to blow my doors off...Imho, the LS1 starts out with a better platform for building hp..gotta love technology...Its gonna stink to get my **** handed to me in a stroker by a H&C LS1....oh well...

--Alan

 

Although i didn't recieve the throttle body i have recieved a refund for the $175 i sent for it,
Dan

 

his set -up was an air lid and a weld in muffler it was an A4 car with stock 2.73's

your set-up everything u listed + cam(hotcam)and 3.73's out that guys LT1 CAMARO...

secondly u beat him by 1/8 of a car not mile...and if your car is makin anywhere near 400RWHP post some dyno sheets PLEASE

 

Im pretty sure his car had a cat back, not a weld in muffler. i dont think i ever said anything about a hot cam. I dont recall listing what his transmission was either? That car was a 00' white formula m6. And who the hell said anything about an lt1 camaro, my car is a trans am like I stated. the other car is obviously an ls1. Do you live around flemingsburg/morehead KY? Thats where this all took place 9 montsh and 1 month ago respectively. If your some sad little man that thinks that an lt1 cant make any power come find me and I'll embarrass your *** in front of a crowd. I dont need to post .jpeg files to make my car look good ya gaddamn fool.

I dont think a dyno sheet would prove anything but if you can read then heres some research for you: http://www.eportworks.com/LT1LE1.htm

 

I'm confused on why you posted that link. You didn't have that heads/cam package at the time of the race. Plus 370-390 rwhp isn't anything major to brag about IMO. I don't consider anything fast until it hits 500+ whp or mid 10's or better for ET. Some people will even say you need 1000+ and sub 9 second ET's before you are a serious racer. Of course that's a little extreme IMO but alot of the big dogs think that way.

IMO it's too easy to run 11's. A few bolt-ons and N20 can get many of us there with relative ease. Mid tens and quicker however is really the shiznet IMO because it shows a real dedication to the sport. It also shows a real lack of funds management according to my wife but that's another topic altogether

 

so a daily driver has to have 1000+hp before its considered a 'fast car'...wow you must be a real dreamer.

 

Imho 11s aren't easy (at least with LT1s)...Having the power to make 11s is not too hard, but actually having the time slip takes a little work. Usually those who think its easy haven't been there, yet...

Not trying to start crap, but I've noticed that the internet is full of fast cars, but the tracks are not...

--Alan

 

1). I never said anything about daily drivers.

2). I never said I thought you needed 1000 HP to be fast but merely pointed out that many of the NHRA licensed "big dogs" do. I said 500 HP or mid 10's is what I personally consider fast.

3). Dreaming doesn't make a car fast. Time, money and dedication does. 380 rwhp and an 11 something slip is definately quick especially compared to all the 13-16 second cars running on TNT night. It's just not that fast IMO when you see so many drag only cars and bikes running 8.s, 9's and 10's.

 

11's are not that easy on motor so I'll grant you that. But take any F-body (LS1 or LT1) add the basic bolt-ons, upgrade the spark plugs, put MT street radials in the back (stock rim size is fine) and a 150 wet shot. Your running 11's all day for as little as $2500. That's still alot of money to some folks but considering what I just spent on a heads/cam setup, I think it's very reasonable. A single tax return even. And believe me with MT street radials anyone can launch decently. Those things stick baby. They just don't last real long.

The internet is full of fast cars because alot of the people on these kind of sites are looking for bigger power. Go in the drag racing section and you'll find alot of the sub 11 second cars in the sigs. But since people here are from all over the country (and even the world) thier may only be a few of us at any one given track. Add to that track all the kids in stock or near stock cars getting all hyped about a mid 14 second slip and it makes sense why only a few are fast. But hey, at least thier having fun and it's a safe place to do it. But you'll also notice that inbetween the slow TNT kids you have drag cars and bikes running single digits. And occasionally a few TNT people running 10's or low 11's.

 

Isnt it the truth. I guess my sad *** 400hp daily driver and myself will go hide under a rock somewhere

 

I kinda laugh when I hear people spouting off rwhp #s as they can so easily be manipulated. Don't get me wrong, the dyno is a great tuning tool, but the numbers generated are just that, numbers...I made 362, 381, 400 rwhp SAE corrected on different dynojets and made 385 on a Mustang. The dyno is for tuning, the track is for testing and is the final judge.

The Mustang dyno 1/4 mile blast was very interesting, however...With the EWP and shorties we went 11.23 at 116 on the dyno...Switched to Kooks stepped LTs and it went 10.98 at 118, but rwhp #s did not change. The 60's were identical 1.35s (gotta love dyno traction.) So we shaved a little over .2 off the 1/4 mile and picked up 2 mph (the dyno historically reads 2 mph slower than reality) but the dyno rwhp/rwtq didn't show it...mmmmm...

I have beaten supposed 450-460 rwhp cars with dyno sheets, etc...Out mph'd and better ETs. Dyno numbers on their face don't impress me, but good track times do. So you and your 400hp DD can come out from your rock now

--Alan

 

You do that.

 

I'm not that surprised because your an auto. I've beaten a few Vettes at the track that were manuals and trapped higher then me (which presumably means they make more rwhp). But when they have 2.1 60' and I have a 1.7 well...... Lets just say they figured out why ET is won by traction and reaction and not by power alone.

But on the street ET means nothing and those traps/dyno numbers play a much bigger factor. I know I can't get a 1.7 60' on the street

 

What I was saying was that I've out mph'd the same people who have claimed higher numbers, too...I picked up 30 rwhp just by changing the "weight" of the rollers on a Mustang dyno with a simple key stroke. Did I really make 30 rwhp? No. It happens probably more than most realize. If you have a dyno operator you can trust and you ask important questions which you already know the answers to before you ask them, then you are in good shape...

I am well aware that ET is a function of traction, but there's no way I should've out mph'd anyone making 40-50 rwhp more than me...

--Alan