While not being an expert on their long tubes, I do have a set of the shorties. Here is how I feel about them, and I am not going to be nice....

1) Shotty Welding... a 2 year old could have done a better job.
2) They sent me PAPER GASKETS!!!!!!!!
3)Dont try installing these if your motor is out of the car (at least for the shorties driver side..... knocks the steering column, even with the knuckle off)
4)Couldnt even get a socket/ratchet on most bolts (the exception is the last bolt on both headers). They made the headers tubes bend back too early, and in some cases the bolt barley fits into the head.

I hope that you guys find this valueable... as I WILL NEVER OWN ANOTHER SET OF PACESETTER HEADERS!!!!

Also, the price is the same for the dual cat cars and the single cat cars. And the single cat cars come with the y-pipe.

 

Any news yet?

 

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