Well I got a sample of this stuff in the mail and today I used it on my Cavalier..

Since my Cavalier is driven all year around and the paint probably hasnt been waxed since day 1 the paint is kinda in ruff shape.. I first washed the car then applied the Beadx Spray Wax.. Then I applied the Formula 113 wax to the whole car and let it dry..

Wow what A difference... The wax filled in all the white cracks and my red car which looked pink because it was so faded started to look red again

But is it better than Zaino..

Well to me is close,
But I still notice a difference between this and Zaino.. But dont get me wrong this product still rocks.. If I didnt have the cash to buy Zaino this would the wax I would choose

So overall I was happy with this product, and prob will buy it again!!

www.formula113.com


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1997 Trans Am Ws6

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Im now the southern california Formula 113 dealer.

The zaino will last longer, due to the fact that you put on 1 billion coates. But 1 coat of formula 113 will look just as good as a decent zaino job, but zaino does have the longevity up its sleeve, and it should for having 7 coaters on the paint veruses 1..gee i wonder whos gonna win that battle?

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1990 IrocZ28 B2L
Mods: hmmmm yup I gots parts...

 

A single coat of Zaino will far outlast a single coat of F113. You don't need 7 coats of Zaino...some people do it because they like to.

F113 is full of abrasives and cleaners and cannot layer because it strips itself with each additional coat. It does work well for oxidized or neglected paint finishes though. At many car shows F113 seems to be a favorite product. Micro-marring is rampant on these cars and I cringe when I look closely at the finishes.

 

The problem is , thier isnt a "sinlge" coat of zaino since it takes 3 products to make 1 coat.

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1990 IrocZ28 B2L
Mods: hmmmm yup I gots parts...

 

"The problem is , thier isnt a "sinlge" coat of zaino since it takes 3 products to make 1 coat."

For a person to make a statement like that tells me you have never actually used Zaino.

You can mix an ounce or 1/2 ounce of Z2 or Z5 with the ZFX Accelerator and apply a coat.
One single coat.

Even with traditional Zaino (using Z1) it is an additional half step (but Z1 is not considered a "coat" since it is removed with the Z2 or Z5.)

The use of Z6 is optional as is the use of Beadx.

As I have stated before F113 is a decent cleaner wax. I would recommend it for someone who hasn't waxed their car in 3 years (and it is full of oxidation and neglect) who would go back to their lazy ways after using it. For that type of person I certainly would not recommend Zaino.

Formula 113 is based on a wax formulation that has been around for over 40 years. The owner of the company has done a great job marketing it at car shows and making it a popular product.

 

EXACTLY. I couldn't have said it better myself. With all them abrasives and cleaners F113 will not be going near my car!

 

LOL I bet the judges who chose these cars as winners saw that also

Actually Formula 113 does a hell of a lot better at removing swirls on paint jobs than Zaino.

But I have used both products. The abrasive content in Formula 113 is not what you think. I saw the picture on Formula 113s website on that clunker, so I decided to try this stuff out on my old Mazda truck to see if it could restore one hell of an oxidized paint job. Formula 113 did not do squat for removing the weathered look.

 

That was a pretty stupid comment. Formula 113 does remove swirls a hell of alot better because IT IS ABRASIVE... Why would you want to use that kind of product? Maybe use it ONCE on an older paint job then switch to a non-abrasive product like Zaino, but I would never use that stuff more than once... and I would never use that on a newer car. Oh and in case you didn't know, z5 is a filler and contains no abrasives. It's not meant to remove the swirls. It is meant to fill them in, therefore not stripping any of the clearcoat.

 

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LOL I bet the judges who chose these cars as winners saw that also"

I must have missed something. Did I state that the judges chose those cars as the winners?

 

Yes you did miss something there chief. You referenced micro marring is rampant on Formula 113 cars. Be more specific next time to keep from generalizing.

The only stupid comments here are yours talking about a product you never used. Try again. If you ever used the product you would know different.

Anyway Formula 113 works great and it is hilarious watching all these comments time after time from some of you guys. Time for me to sandpaper off some more of my paint and wax my car with Formula113.

I could actually respect your opinions if you have actually used the product. BUT since you have not even tried the product EVER, it is pointless to even argue further. Plus it only calls for flame wars here. Try the damn product at least before bashing it.

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I will accomodate you and be more specific:
Every car at the show that the owner made it evident that he/she was using Formula 113 had micro-marring on it. Most of these vehicles did not need to have abrasive products used on them. I do not find it hilarious that they are ruining their expensive paint jobs by using Formula 113 on them on a regular basis. I did my best to educate them about the abrasives in it and pointed out to them the scratches/swirls. Some of them were very receptive and wanted to learn more; others became angry when I showed them the scratches/swirls micromarring.
For the ones who were receptive I recommended they use products without abrasives/cleaners such as P21S (S100) wax, Zaino polishes, or Pinnacle Souveran.

I am not sure about Bizzombo but I have used Formula 113. I purchased it specifically to see if it contains abrasive/cleaners. It restored the paint on my brother-in-laws minivan that had never been waxed before. It did a FANTASTIC job restoring the vehicle. It removed the oxidized paint and shined up the dull areas very well: The product definitely does contain abrasives. I haven't seen the vehicle lately but hopefully I will and I will see how it fared durability wise.

Actually I found Formula 113 to be very similar to Gliptone's Bro Buff http://www.gliptone.com/descr_pgs/gt0616.htm which I have not used for about 15 years. I wonder if it could be the same product.



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My cavalier prob hasnt been waxed in 12years and the paint was turning Pink.. One coat of formula 113 and my paint was turning red again, it was amazing!! I was going to repaint my cavalier but now I think im just going to order more formula 113

 

Now that is an answer that I wanted to hear.

You actually used the product. Thank god someone here has LOL.

I had the exact opposite results with this stuff. I tried Formula 113 on 3 different cars with oxidized and worn out paint. It did pretty much nothing for these cars. I had to use the Meguiars 3 step product to come back to life.

On another note, I have been using Formula 113 on a 2000 and 2001 car with no marring, swirls from this product. I do not see a high cleaner- abrasive content from using this product on different vehicles. I also know a couple guys who have been using this product for quite some time with no "micro-marring" on cars with some pretty expensive paint jobs. Which have also won awards with that paint, waxing it with Formula 113.

 

I have used all 3, Zaino, Klasse, and Formula 113.

Zaino is good, but not great for older finishes. Pain in the ***, switching between 10 products, but great shine.

Klasse is great, esp on my 93z, did wash, 2 coats of all in one, and 4 coats now of the glaze, car shines like a champ, works good, in fact, very good.

Prob was, my hood still had oxidized paint on it, zaino did crap to cover it up. Then used klasse all in one, it worked well, after a few coats, alot better.

The I got my little sample bottle of Formula 113, was nice hot and sunny out, around 90 degrees, hood was hot, but guess what, I can actually use it in the daytime. Put it on one side of hood in corner, 2 coats, and wow, nearly 80% of oxidation was gone, i am talking about semi descent oxidized, 10 years old. and where there was little oxidation, it tooks it all out and covered it up.

It was just day and night, Formula 113 really is great for older finishes. Klasse went on top of formula 113, and now is great.

although still some old crap left on car, it will get wetsanded, and then more waxes on top soon.



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93 Patriot Red Z28 - A4, 3.23 Gears
*Mods*: Hooker Super Competition Catback, Holley 58MM Throttle Body, Holley Powershot Filter, 160* Thermostat, A. Anderson Programming Chip, Aeromaks Cold Air Intake System

Audio: JVC KDSH77 HU, Infiniti Kappa 6.5"
Max's Patriot Red 93 Z

Time: 14.052@98.23, 2.193 60', Street Tires, Hot & Humid

 

What do you think is in Formula 113 that allows it to remove oxidation?