I got a couple i get alot.

"Yeah, the V8 might be faster, but the S2000 has a much nicer interior!"

"So what? Them V8s get what, 56 hp/litre? The S2000 gets 120! If i had a V8 it would be pushing SO much HP."

"Okay sure. Get an American V8 and go fast in a straight line. But when it comes time to turn, that's when we get you" <--- I honest to God heard that one. It was so funny i was in tears laughing.

Any more?

 

jimmy .. you ARE the excuse for a ricer

 

The last one about corners is why I have 2.5 k in my suspension already not including my rims and tires and am dropping another k very soon . ****ing front wheel drive ricer cars have worse weight distribution than we do and they still try to use that

I actualy had some guy in a red prelude with alluminum wing and graphix splatered all over it tell me " just wait until I get my nawz kit " and then he was like " well how big is your motor anyways , 5.0 L "

These kids are ghey I tell u

 

twitch, weight is more important than weight distribution I don't care if my car has an 80/20 split; if it only weighs 600 lbs I'm gonna be stickin in da twisties! (FWIW it actually has something like 63/37 weight split).

My favourite is when you try and convince someone to go racing... and they won't because they don't have part X yet. "Oh, I'll show up as soon as I get my ______". And they're serious. But they never seem to clue in that racing is about racing, not modding. You don't have to have mods to race.

*shrugs* To a ricer, a car is fast based on how many things are done to it I consider a Metro fast if you shove the right driver in it!

 

I think were talking about two different types of twisties . Im not talking ax . Ax is like gocarts and what better to attack a go cart track with . Im talking about this stuff .

http://12.213.170.218/mitchntx/TWS/GlennSpin.wmv

Ive never seen a fwd road race car myself . . . doesnt meen they dont exist but I dont understand how it would manage any high speed turns let alone powering out of a corner with any success without torque steering into a wall . and look at the size of the footprint built into these cars



I dont think this guy would do too well at ax though . I cant see a 80 / 20 fwd car going into a corner at 120 mph and living to exit the other side . I myself like to use second gear

 

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...hreadid=162157


Sorry, had to.

 

Should see how pissed off ricers get when I out corner them in my beater truck . Anyone whos seen my truck can imagine why. I dont get excuses from ricers cause they dont want to race when Im in the camaro. It is a nice feeling when you pull up to a redlight on 200th in between 2 ricers full of kids and not one of them will even look at you. I laughed pretty hard at that. My car has more bark than bite though . If you want to see how well a fwd performs on a race track try some CURVES, not corners. These little hondas do fine on a CORNER but when you hit a CURVE they understeer clear off the road. That and they only have 100ft/lbs .
CoryM

 

corys beater truck =

 

I always get "my honda has higher resale value"

.....thats good, cause im not planning on selling my car!

 

You've never seen a FWD road race car? Have you been to the road race course yet?!? There's a session coming up in October that I'm trying to get in on... check out The Perfect Lap from MRP's home page. The guys on Vancouver Civics Club told me about it.

As for road racers... H-T Road Race forum is full of 'em!

Or Building an ITC road race challenge CRX..

I could SO go on

It just ticks me off when I hear domestic owners talking about FWD being the wrong wheel drive and how RWD is so much better, when they've never actually been racing to find out why Most drivers can't even handle FWD let alone RWD. C'mon seriously, how many domestic owners on this site have actually tried autoXing, let alone road racing? (that wasn't directed at you, Twitch, I know you're the autoX king )

As for the guy who was talking about tq output... I'm not sure why domestic owners usually haven't realized it yet but GEARING is a torque multiplier. The gears are what puts the power down. Sure a domestic puts out 300 ft-lbs. At a 1:1 gear ratio (say in 4th) that's barely enough to get the car moving. It's only the combination of the 1st and final drive that provides enough multiplicative output torque to move the car at an appreciable rate. That's why it's not hard to get a 100 ft-lb of torque car moving as fast as a 300 ft-lb car... just give it the right gears. My Civic came from the factory with 4.400 final drive. What'd your Camaro come with, torque, at the wheels? 200 ft-lbs? Assuming the same gear... 4.400 * 100 = 440 ft-lbs multiplied again by gear. 2.73 * 200 = 546 ft-lbs, again multiplied by gear. Assuming my 100 ft-lb car weighs 2000 lbs (it does) and yours weighs 3000 lbs (not a bad estimate) your torque advantage is fast dwindling. So I don't think you really understand how a FWD manages to pull out of the corners.

Of course, give the domestic the right gears too and to the domestic... hahahah...

 

Well as long as you know Im the Ax king

A car like that will fast run out of gear , sure you can gear it to the moon but what happens on the long straigts . Sorry when I said road race track I meant the big fast ones down in the states . I stand corrected , I have seen crx shells and preludes zipping around mission raceway park but that track is pretty small time isnt it . The old mechanic at work was part of a team that ran a datsun 510 or something . It was just a shell on race rubber and it went like stink . They ran that at mission too and it did quite well but there just weekend wariors . It aint no c5r though and when you open up the track to speeds of 130 plus mph whats going to happen ?? Ive actually seen a video ( from bigshoe on ls1.com I beleive ) where there was a little civic with a motor swap in full race prep running with the guys and it was a hand full in the tight corners . That little thing did well untill the track opened up and then it was smacked down easily . These camaros and firebirds were just street cars with bolt ons and race rubber too not even stripped and with unexperienced drivers . . . . you gotta say hmmm . . . full out trailered shell vs cars they drive to the track for a club fun day

Ill try to dig up the vid

Id love to run at missions road coarse for fun . . . just not in my car cause I will crash and die

 

Sidetrack ! This vid is cool . Listen to the instructor talking before the straight stretch haha !!

http://www.brees.net/wgi_porsche_lq.wmv

These are tracks

http://12.213.170.218/mitchntx/BMW_mv1_hr.wmv

 

That's when you take it to 8k, 9k, or 10k - or if you're F1, what, 17k? This is why the Honda movement is so big - you have the gearing to match the power output and the revs to match the gearing and let you reach high speeds. With most imports if you want the gearing you've gotta have the revs to match. That's also why on road race cars they typically rev high with shorter gearing; max speed isn't an issue.

Yeah I wouldn't want to be in my car at 130mph trying to corner... that's just frightening I've done 120 and it was hairy; getting there isn't an issue but handling at that speed is. The wheelbase is what creates stability, and in a car as small as most front-wheel-drivers the wheelbase is typically tiny. But that's the problem - wheelbase size - not the wheels driving the car.

Looks like I'm gonna try and get in on this open track day, so if I go I'll be sure to get in-car footage + show you how the FWD does

 

What does it cost to get in ?? Do you need the solo II or solo I coarse licence to run ??

Definatly tape it

 

Entry fee is $300 (this is why I don't have more mods ) No soloI or soloII license needed, this is a n00b event for beginners I believe you'll be riding with instructors watching 99% of the time!