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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 10:30 AM
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Nitrous Systems Review!!!

Picking a nitrous system for your fuel injected LS1/LT1 can get confusing.So to help out we have typed a small selection of the most common systems on the market with a description on how they work.I hope this helps.

NITROUS EXPRESS

First.
The single nozzle kit.This kit is the most common system on the market.It comes with the jetting to recieve 35 to 150 HP.With the purchase of extra jets this system can put out 250HP.

Second,
The maff system,
This system is one of the most liked system on the market.It is capable up upgrading to a dual stage and putting out 250Hp on each side of the plate.This system works buy replacing your stock mass air ends.There is a spray bar built into these ends that work just like the shark nozzle.The maff system comes with a electronic TPS switch intead of a machanical microswitch that comes in other systems.This system is liked for its clean install.

Third,
The dual nozzle System.This system uses dual shark nozzles.It comes with horse power settings from 100 to 250 hp.

Fourth,
The dual stage system.This system was desighned for the racer that is spraying a a larger shot and is traction limited.This system is basically two single nozle systems in one.It comes with the jetting to spray 35 to 150 hp on each stage.With the purchase of extra jets it will can produce up to 250 hp on each stage.There are sevral of ways to set up this system.First,You can run the first stage off of the micro switch and the second stage off of a button.Second,You could run both systems off of a micro switch and two different toggle switches.The most common way for the track guys is with a digiset.This is a time delay.The way it works is you wire it in so that after the first stage is activated the second stage will automatically come on after the dealyed time you have programed in.

Fifth,
Another common way of running larger Hp shots with out traction loss is using a nitrous controller.The Maximizer is the most advanced controller on the market.This unit uses a Palm PDA to upload and display the Maximizer information. This is the ONLY unit on the market to date with a built in RPM activated window switch with a gear counting feature, and the first to have a TPS voltage sensing switch to activate and de-activate the system. The Maximizer also has a delay and ramp feature. This unit will ramp up or down for turbo cars, and you can also change the ramp parameters for each gear. Finally, the unit hooks up to your O2’s to read the air/fuel ratio and allows you to cut the nitrous off at any given ratio. You can use this system in juction with any single stage system such as a directport,single nozzle, or maff system.

Sixth,
The Direct port,
This system is common for the racer spraying larger HP levels.A direct port kit injects nitrous and fuel into individual runners.You can individualy tune each cylinder. You can spray larger amounts of nitrous and fuel into the engine more precisly.I do not recommend this system for the common guy sraying under 200 hp.This system normally requires tunning.There are several Direct ports system offered of different styles.We even offer custom show quality direct ports for the guys looking for a little extra style.

TEXAS NITROUS TECHNOLOGIES
First.
The Power Ring System F1.
This system has power gains power adjustable from 75-150 rear wheel horsepower.
This kit comes complete with Power Ring,Two Stainless Nozzles,Stainless N20 & Fuel Solenoids,Solenoid Brackets and screws, Jets, Stainless Braided Hoses, N20 Pressure Gauge, Bottle Nut, 17Ft Main Feed Line,Stainless Bottle Brackets, Micro Switch and Bracket, NHRA Blow Off Valve,And 10Lb Powder Coated Nitrous Bottle.

Second,
The power Ring System F2
This system has power gains adjustable from 100 to 350 HP.
This kit comes complete with Power Ring,Two Stainless Nozzles,Stainless N20 & Fuel Solenoids,Solenoid Brackets and screws, Jets, Stainless Braided Hoses, Nitrous Filter, N20 Pressure Gauge, Bottle Nut, 17Ft Main Feed Line,Stainless Bottle Brackets, Micro Switch and Bracket, NHRA Blow Off Valve,And 10Lb Powder Coated Nitrous Bottle.

Third,
The direct port F4,
This system is adjustable 300-600 Hp.This system is common for the racer spraying larger HP levels.A direct port kit injects nitrous and fuel into individual runners.You can individualy tune each cylinder. You can spray larger amounts of nitrous and fuel into the engine more precisly.

ZEX
Zex Offers one System for the LS1.This system comes adjustable 75 to 125 hp.The system will produce up to 200 hp with the purchase of extra needed jets.

Zex also offers a Dry system for the LT1.It works buy adding the extra needed fuel thru the fuel injectors.All major components are contained in the ZEX™ 'NMU', which means you won't have any unsightly solenoids or wiring.This system uses actual bottle pressure to regulate the nitrous to fuel ratio.This system has a built in TPs switch . The Zex Dry Kits will only work with vehicles with a port fuel injected engine with a return style fuel system.

NITROUS OUTLET SYSTEMS
This is our Inhouse Brand.All components in these systems are purchased from Nitrous Express.We offer several systems at this time.

First
Stage 1 Wet system
This system is adjustable from 35 to 150 Hp.With the purchase of extra jets this system can flow up to 250 Hp.

Second,
Dry Halo System,
This system was built to compete with other dry systems on the market.Instead of having nozzles twisting around in you air lid this spray ring sits under the air lid.Makes for a great hidden system.This system injects nitrous directly into the air intake and use the factory EFI system to provide the extra fuel necessary This system is also rated at the rear wheels.It comes adjustable 40,60,80 RWP. You can spray more with the extra needed Jets.

Third,
The universal Dry system.
This system is a dual nozzle dry system.Each nozzle plumbs into the side of the air lid or air box if it is a truck.This system injects nitrous directly into the air intake and use the factory EFI system to provide the extra fuel necessary This system is not realeased but will by the end of January.

NITROUS OXIDE SYSTEMS
Nos offers a dry system.This system injects nitrous directly into the air intake and use the factory EFI system to provide the extra fuel necessary
The system comes with jets for 3 different levels of horsepower: 75, 85, and 100. (125 Horsepower Jets are also available separately.) These are rated at the Flywheel.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WET AND DRY
This is the most common asked question in this industry.This is a small explanation.

DRY Nitrous Systems.
A dry system adds the fuel and nitrous seperatly.On a LS1 based Vehicle here is how it works.You have a nozzle that sprays nitrous only.This nozzle sprays before the mass air meter.The mass air meter sinces the change and tells the ECM to add fuel through the fuel injectors.On a LT1 or EFI mustang(up to 99) The dry kits come with a Nitrous Management Unit.Here is how it works.The dry nozzle plumbs in after the mass air meter,before throttle body.This nozzle still sprays nitrous only.The NMU inriches the fuel by bumping up the fuel pressure.This is caused by putting pressure on the fuel regulater.

WET Nitrous Systems
A Wet Nitrous System adds nitrous and fuel together thru one nozzle.This nozzle will plumb into the air induction before the the throttle body after the mass air meter.If possible about 3 to 6 inches before the throttle body.This system has two solenoids,a nitrous solenoid and a fuel solenoid.On most GM Vehicles you will have a shrader valve.You will remove the stem out of it and simply screw the line on that runs to the fuel solenoid.Cars that do not have a shrader valve you will have to splice into the fuel supply.

OUR VIEW ON FUEL PUDDLING.
Fuel puddling is impossible.If the tune up is right.

The air velocity in an intake is so great (at wide open throttle above 3000 rpm), it is not possible for a nitrous system operating correctly to puddle. The fuel particals would have to fall out of an atomized mist. Collect grow and then what?
A back fire is cause by the intake saturation the amount of fuel and nitrous you are injecting into an engine has a higher velocity than the suction of the engine at that rpm. The air speed stalls out, allowing for the flame in the combustion chamber to ignite what is in the intake. This is why all nitrous company's tell you not to engage unless at full throttle and above 2500-3000 rpms.
Here is another way to look at this.
Lets take fog for example.It is heavy air.Inside are water particles. Correct? You dont see water droplets falling out of it.Does your car die on a foggy day. NOPE but there is a lot of water in the air. Shouldn't that water collect in the intake and then make the car die. Fuel vapors are the same they can not just fall out of the air stream
A proper wet system works the same way.Unless you use to big of a fuel jet causing to much fuel to flow you have nothing to worry about.
The nitrous pulverises the fuel into a particle.The nitrous and the fuel will travel threw the intake with no problem.It is impossible for the fuel to drop out unless your tune up is wrong and you are spraying to much fuel.The suction from the motor at wide open throttle will suck the fuel and nitrous in at such a rate of speed it can not puddle.
Dave

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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 07:14 PM
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which do u recommend for a cammed LS1. I am lookin at a 100 shot for my car.
Old Jan 21, 2005 | 09:07 PM
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I would recommend the maf kit. 20109-10 clean looking easy to install and good power.
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Old Jan 31, 2005 | 07:34 PM
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Very informative review, thanks Nitro Dave. Reading N2O tech is starting to pull me away from my tenative H/C project

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Old Jan 31, 2005 | 08:16 PM
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this should be a sticky for the common questions
Old Jan 31, 2005 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by sniffin94
this should be a sticky for the common questions
Good idea, also additional information from any other vendors would be great since I just found out that Ricky from Nitrous Express is here to assist folks with their Nitrous Express questions and other needs. A huge thank you to Ricky from Nitrous Express and NitroDave from Nitrous Outlet for being here on our board to help everyone here with thier various nitrous needs. That alone shows what great customer service these companies have to offer. Thanks for choosing CamaroZ28 fella's

I think this would help also, From LPE Dave's site: http://www.go-fast.org/z28/new_to_nitrous.html

I've put this page together to explain some of the ins and outs of running nitrous oxide on your f-body. Hopefully, these will be useful for those considering a nitrous installation, or just wanting to know what it's all about. There are many differing opinions on the "right" installation, or "right" philosophy, and I'm starting this page with my own knowledge and opinions. Please feel free to email me if you disagree with something I've said, I'll try to add your position to the page.


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How it works
Nitrous Oxide (N2O, I'll call it "nitrous" here) is a non-flammable gas that's used for our purposes as a carrier for oxygen. Mixed with the right proportions of fuel, and fed into the intake, it provides additional combustible material into the cylinders, hence more power. There are many ways to get the nitrous and fuel into the motor, and I'll describe common ones as we go along.

The Real Basics
The nitrous is compressed to high pressure (900-1100psi) in a tank, in liquid form. From the tank (typically fastened down tightly in your trunk), a hose runs up to the engine bay. From there, an electrically controlled (like, by a button you push) valve called a solenoid is used to release the nitrous into the motor when you request it. At the same time, a fuel line in a "wet system," is controlled by another solenoid, and releases fuel into the motor. This provides the basic mechanism for the nitrous system.

Wet versus Dry
I'm sure you've heard the terms "wet kit" and "dry kit." Actually, let me start with a rant on the "kit" part. A kit is a bunch of nitrous components packaged together by any of the usual vendors, and sold as one item. Typically, these are completely devoid of safety devices, so that they can be sold at a cheap price. This is where the "$600 nitrous kit" idea comes from. While these are fine for getting lots of the basic parts, they are horrible from a safety perspective, and can easily damage your motor. Get the appropriate safety devices and add them to your kit, if you go that way. I'll be calling a complete setup a "system" here.

On to the wet and dry discussion. A "wet system" is a nitrous system which mixes nitrous and fuel, and feeds it (in a "fog") into the intake. A "dry system" only feeds nitrous into the intake, and tricks the existing fuel system to add the fuel. In an LS1 car, this is done via the MAF sensing the colder intake temperature as nitrous is fed through it. In an LT1 car, a dry system typically adds adds about 50 psi of pressure to the vacuum nipple of the stock fuel pressure regulator, increasing the fuel pressure to about 90 psi, and driving more fuel through (hopefully upgraded) fuel injectors via the muscle of the add-on fuel pump.

Either wet or dry system can be made to work, of course, so how do you decide which to use? Here's a chart f some pro's and con's with each to help you decide:

Feature Wet Dry
Nitrous Plumbed and wired by you, into any of the various delivery mechanisms Same as the wet system
Fuel Plumbed, wired and jetted by you. You have complete control over the fuel system, typically making the nitrous system easier to tune. Stock pump and injectors are typically fine. Uses the stock fuel delivery, via raising the fuel pressure by tricking the regulator. Must have good quality fuel injectors that won't fail on high pressure, and must have a fuel pump that can supply the pressure (ie, not the stock injectors or pump).
Tuning Done by adjusting the fuel and nitrous jets, using O2 sensors to measure the a/f ratio. On an LT1, this is done by adjusting the "fuel" and nitrous jets, the "fuel" jet actually being a jet that connects to the fuel pressure regulator to raise and lower fuel pressure. Not completely flexible, as the FPR can only support a certain range of pressure. On an LS1, nitrous is sprayed through the MAF, which is able to tell the PCM to adjust the injector pulses to compensate with extra fuel.

Delivery Mechanisms
As I mentioned, there are several ways to feed the nitrous and fuel into your motor. Here are brief descriptions of them.

Throttle Body Plate
This is a 1/2" thick plate that's mounted between your throttle body and intake manifold. Both nitrous and fuel lines are connected to it (so it's a wet setup) and the plate combines them and sprays them into the intake.


Fogger Nozzle
A nozzle can support either a single line for nitrous, or a pair of lines for nitrous and fuel, and sprays them in a fine mist into the intake.


Direct Port
The ultimate setup, a port is tapped and threaded specifically for each cylinder, running eight nitrous and eight fuel lines to spray directly into the cylinders. This setup is typically used above about 250hp, to allow accurate tuning for each cylinder. At left is the Agostino Racing direct port LT1 manifold.



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Triggering the System
Of course, you don't want the system to be running all the time - a 10lb bottle will last you less than a minute, if it's open. Typically, you want the system triggered on while you're at the track, at WOT (wide open throttle), and at relatively high rpm's (see "Safety" for why). To make that happen, you'll typically want to wire, in sequence, several switches. I won't describe the specific wiring here, but you'll have some or all of the following:

A Master On/Off switch
A WOT switch, which is installed on the actual throttle, that closes the circuit only when your foot is on the floorboard
A pushbutton in the car, probably on the shifter
A "window switch" (see "Safety" for details) that closes the circuit only when the engine RPM is between a certain range (like 3000-6000) that you decide is acceptable
A fuel pressure switch
More Esoteric Controllers
The system to trigger described above is a basic "single stage" setup. The nitrous is either on or off, and when it's on, the full volume dictated by the jets is sprayed into the engine. There are all sorts of reasons you might want a nitrous system which was a bit more intelligent, and I'm not going to define every possible option here. Suffice to say there are "multiple stage" systems (like those from Venom, which may be completely overboard) where separate flows of nitrous are added at different times, rpm-based systems which add more nitrous at higher rpms, time-based systems, which delay the nitrous flow for some time after you launch, etc. Practically any setup you want can be built by a computer-controlled box.


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Old Jan 31, 2005 | 09:12 PM
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Safety
I'm a firm believer in using all the safety mechanisms you have available. Clearly, they aren't absolutely necessary, and some folks run nitrous systems without any of these devices. But for my money, they're well worth using.

What Can Go Wrong?
Well, a lot can go wrong, but hopefully you'll have adequate safety mechanisms built in to protect your motor when it does. The main thing that can go wrong is adding nitrous into your engine without compensating fuel. This extreme lean condition is disaster for the engine, and you're not likely to get a second chance - at least with the same engine. Conversely, adding extra fuel without nitrous is not particularly bad for the engine, so you can imagine, it's safer to start with the car running rich (too much fuel), then lean it back from there. Some examples of problems you might encounter include:

Fuel pump fails A failed pump will lose pressure immediately, causing an extreme lean condition
Fuel injector failure or lockup Using stock fuel injectors with a dry nitrous kit can cause the injectors to lock up and not flow fuel
Solenoid failure A failed fuel or nitrous solenoid can cause serious damage

Ignition RPM limiter
On a stock LT1 or LS1 computer, the rev limiter is implemented by cutting the signal to the fuel injectors so the cylinders have no combustion. If you're running a dry system, which depends on the fuel injectors to provide compensating fuel for the nitrous, losing fuel this way is the ultimate disaster. An aftermarket ignition will typically implement the rev limit by cutting off spark rather than fuel, which is a much safer implementation of the rev limit. Typically, you'd get your stock PCM programmed to set the rev limit up higher than you'll ever expect to go (like 7000RPM), and use the setting on the aftermarket ignition as your actual rev limit.

Window Switch
This electrical device provides an open or closed circuit based on the engine being between two RPM values (hence "window") that you chose, so that you'll only flow nitrous in this range. Why would you do that? Well, for two very different reasons.

At low RPM, think about what's going on: you're spraying nitrous into the intake at a constant flow. That is, the nitrous bottle and solenoids have no idea what RPM you're at, and they're just pushing it into the intake at a constant volume. Inside the engine, though, the nitrous and fuel combination is being sucked into the cylinders during every stroke. The net result is that at low RPM, you're getting far more of the mixture into the cylinders. At 3000 RPM, for example, you're getting twice the amount as at 6000 RPM. So, you can imagine that running nitrous at, say 1000 RPM, is far more stressful on the motor as at 3000 RPM, and typically causes a "nitrous backfire" - meaning that the nitrous/fuel combination can explode in the intake manifold (rather than the cylinders) - a bad thing. So that's why you don't want the system triggered at low RPM.

At high RPM, the situation is easier to explain. Given the discussion of the rev limit above, you may just want the nitrous system to cut off before hitting that rev limit. If you've got a stock LT1 or LS1 ignition, you certainly want a window switch. If your rev limit is implemented by an aftermarket ignition, it's perfectly safe for the motor to run nitrous during the rev limit. It's not particularly easy though, on your transmission or clutch to have all that power during the shift, which may be a reason to keep the window switch set a bit before you shift.

Fuel Pressure Safety Switch (FPSS)
This is a device that's plumbed into the fuel system, and provides an open or closed circuit based on availability of fuel pressure. It can be used in the triggering circuit to make sure the system isn't on when you've got a fuel problem. Typically, you only use it to switch off the nitrous solenoid; turning off the fuel solenoid as well can start a cycle of switching the solenoids on and off while the pressure raises and drops in the fuel system when you're switching the solenoid on and off. Let the pressure build up in the fuel lines when you open that solenoid, and when it's high enough, the nitrous solenoid will open. The switch can be used whether you've got a wet or a dry system. You can adjust the pressure at which it triggers by using an allen wrench on the back of the switch (loosen the screw lowers the pressure threshold).

You want to set the pressure on the FPSS, such that if the pressure drops about 10psi the nitrous system will shut off. On a wet LT1 system, this will be around 33psi, and on a dry system I'd leave the switch just above stock, say 45psi.

To set the threshold pressure, you've got a few options"

Connect enough plumbing so that you can have the FPSS installed at the same time as a fuel pressure gauge. Turn the key on to pressurize the fuel system, then turn it off. As the fuel pressure bleeds down, monitor the continuity across the FPSS contacts (disconnect them from the rest of the nitrous system) and when the pressure reaches the level you're interested in, adjust the screw on the back so it just balances back and forth between the continuity signal.

You could use an air compressor, with the appropriate fitting for the FPSS. Remove the FPSS from the car, and thread it onto the compressor. Set the compressor for the pressure of interest, and measure continuity as above.

If you can't do option #1 above because you don't have two available ports, first thread in the pressure gauge, and cycle the key. Then time how long it takes for the pressure to bleed down to the correct level. Then disconnect the pressure gauge, install the FPSS, and do the process against the clock rather than the pressure.

Timing Retard
A nitrous/fuel mixture increases the burn rate in the cylinder, and typically adding a few degrees of timing retard is recommended for safety. A rule of thumb is two degrees per 50hp of nitrous, but this will also reduce the power generated. When I tune my system, I monitor engine knock, and retard the timing only enough to eliminate the knock, which is usually about one degree per 50hp. At the track, under harder conditions (actually pulling the weight of the car, possibly higher outdoor temperatures, etc) I'll add a degree of retard.

The LT4 Knock Module is a common modification to 4th generation f-bodies. This device dulls the sensitivity of the knock sensor readings, which allows the PCM to avoid seeing noises from headers, exhaust and loud valvetrain parts incorrectly as knock. The net result is that the overall timing of the engine is advanced a bit, and the PCM is a bit less sensitive to all knock, whether real or false. Unfortunately, knock when running nitrous has more of a chance of doing damage, and it's not at all clear that using a LT4 KM while running nitrous would be a good thing. Personally, since I tune my nitrous while watching knock, and retard my timing as well, I do use the LT4 KM. Once again, though, it's your call on all these safety issues.

High Octane Fuel
High octane gas (e.g. 100 or more, unleaded) will also slow the burn rate in the cylinder. This will provide another way, similar to retarding timing, to avoid knock. I only use nitrous on a 50/50 mix of 92 octane pump gas and 100 octane racing gas. Make sure it's unleaded, of course, or you'll destroy your O2 sensors.

By the way, watch out for Octane Boost claims. Typical claims are "8-10 points of octane boost for a tank of gas." You should be aware that these "points" are tenths of a point of octane as you'd purchase at a gas station. So the above example will raise your octane from 92 to 92.8 or 93, not 100-102 as you might think.

Don't assume that if high octane fuel helps on nitrous motors, that it'll help your naturally aspirated motor too. A naturally aspirated motor is tuned for a particular octane of gas; adding more doesn't help one bit. Save your money.

Nitrous Filter
A simple part, but essential in any nitrous system. This filter is added in-line to your nitrous line, between the tank and the solenoid. Install it as close to the solenoid end as is convenient. It will trap any small particles that may come through the line, much like a fuel filter. A common solenoid failure is due to some particle jamming it open.


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Old Jan 31, 2005 | 09:15 PM
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Fuel Systems
Your fuel system is the most important part of the system. As I hope is clear by now, the worst scenario in a nitrous system is a lean air/fuel mixture. The solutions to a good fuel system depend on the type of nitrous system you're using.

On a wet system, you simply need to ensure that your fuel system can supply adequate fuel, at standard (~45psi at WOT) pressure. A stock f-body fuel pump can usually supply enough fuel for around 450 total horsepower to the motor; any more and you want to get a larger pump. Much more than 650hp and you'll want larger fuel lines as well.

On a dry system, not only do you want adequate fuel like the wet system, but on an LT1 setup the fuel is added by raising the fuel pressure, which forces more gas through the injectors. In this scenario, it's typically recommended that you replace the stock fuel injectors with better quality (not higher rating, just better, like Bosch) injectors. These injectors are able to handle the increased fuel pressures necessary.

Spark Plugs
Generally you want to use copper spark plugs as opposed to the stock platinum ones. You also want to reduce the gap from the stock 0.050" down to 0.035"-0.040". I've received a couple notes on why you use a smaller gap. "The reason you want a smaller gap is because of ionization. If you change from the typical air (78%nitrogen, 21% oxygen)/fuel ratio, a given gap requires more energy to ionize the mixture, resulting in less energy in the spark, if you even get a spark. You could also increase the coil voltage instead of decreasing the gap, but I think using a smaller gap would be preferential since the spark time will be smaller." and also this message: "The reason that you will close the gap on your spark plugs is because when nitrous is added, it raises the cylinder pressure, much like a supercharger. Therefore "blowing" the spark out. When you close the gap it cannot put out the spark as easily."

Testing Solenoids
I mentioned failed fuel or nitrous solenoids doing damage. Some of the issues here may be hard to cover with only other safety devices. I recommend you wire your solenoids with spade clips, so you can easily disconnect them, and test them on a regular basis. Simply disconnect them from the rest of the wiring, then ground one side, and connect the other side to 12V, and listen for the click-click to make sure they open and close. Some folks will also use two nitrous solenoids, in-line, which will ensure that both would have to fail before the flow would fail to stop. Of course you still need to test this setup, to ensure one isn't stuck open.


Tuning
All of the kit systems will come with a couple tuning setups, labeled "50-shot", "100-shot", etc. These are tuned to provide 50, 100, or other horsepower amounts, usually measured at the crank (i.e., measured on a chassis dyno you'll get a bit less). I consider these a starting point, and certainly good for your first passes (hopefully you'll make these with the lowest power, until you tune the system up). Once you've got the system installed and functional, though, tuning it is paramount, before running any serious power through it. I really recommend you do this tuning right away, even though the temptation will be strong to just go out and enjoy the power. This is the time you're very likely to do some serious damage to the motor, so it's important to get it set up right.

Getting Started
I'm not going to go through a bunch of details on tuning here, other than to mention some ideas. You've got a plumbing system to test, as well as an electrical system. You'd like to test each component of both systems, to verify that it's correctly doing it's job. I suggest doing most of this in your garage, with the nitrous and fuel lines removed from the intake, and pointing (or held) into a rag. Keep in mind the nitrous line will give a good kick under pressure, so don't just leave it loose to whip around. You can test your WOT switch easily enough, your window switch (maybe set the window range at a lower rpm for the test, so you don't have to rev up to your red line). To test your fuel pressure switch, you'll need to verify it's got a closed circuit when the engine is running (showing adequate pressure), but you'll also want to verify that it opens the circuit as fuel pressure drops. There are a couple ways to do this. On my car, the fuel pressure bleeds off at about 2psi per hour. So if I switch the engine off, I can use an ohm meter to check continuity across the FPSS connections, and within a couple hours it should switch off. You can also test the FPSS on an air compressor, by generating the pressure you want for the FPSS, and monitoring that it switches at the right point.

For the plumbing, you of course want to verify that there are no fuel or nitrous leaks in the system. You should be able to leave your nitrous bottle open for hours without losing bottle pressure. On the fuel side, of course a fuel leak may be the most disastrous possibility, so check this first by pressurizing the system (turn the key to "acc" but don't start the car) and feel around all the fittings.

I haven't listed all possibilities, but hopefully given you an idea of where to start testing. Once everything seems to check out, put in a set of 50hp jets, and move out on the street...

Jets
All nitrous systems use "jets" inserted in the fuel or nitrous lines to limit the flow. These jets have openings of a specific size, measured in thousandths of an inch. So a "35 jet" is a jet with a hole drilled 0.035" through it. Increasing a nitrous jet size will make the system run more lean, increasing the fuel jet size will make the system run more rich.

There's also a good web site with a jet size calculator on it for a wet setup (where you're metering the fuel and nitrous yourself). It will give you jet sizes based on desired horsepower, fuel and nitrous pressure. I recommend you use these as a target, maybe start a bit richer than shown.

I don't have information here on the use of a jet to apply vacuum pressure to a fuel pressure regulator, as in the NOS 5176 kit. The use of jets for this purpose, and calling them "fuel jets" is NOT related in any way to the normal use of fuel jets in a wet system, and I'm not aware of algorithms that would allow you to select these jets in combination with nitrous jets, to create a certain amount of horsepower. Contact the nitrous kit vendor for recommendations.


Scanner Tuning
A PCM scanner (Diacom, Autotap, etc) is crucial to successful tuning of your nitrous system. I run most of my nitrous passes while logging with an Autotap, and also use it at the dyno. You'll be monitoring the oxygen sensor voltages, knock, etc, and adjusting the jets to provide the best combination. Note, though, that the stock oxygen sensors are not particularly good, and a wideband O2 sensor (say, at a dyno) is much better to use if you have access to one. Typical O2 values should be around 860-880mv (higher is richer) when running the motor normally aspirated, and I try to tune mine to 900-940 on nitrous. As mentioned above, you'll adjust jet sizes up or down to enrich or lean out the mixture. You'll probably see some knock during a shift, but should see none otherwise. You can add timing retard to reduce knock.

Dyno Tuning
Doing your scanner tuning at a dyno provides another benefit, since you can see the power the engine is generating, while you tune the system. It also makes the whole tuning process easier than racing up and down the track, swapping jets in the pits, waiting in lines, etc.

How much can I run?
On a stock V8 LT1 or LS1 motor, 150hp appears to be the limit. 125hp is probably a "safe" setup, assuming it's working well. A built, forged motor can take quite a bit more, 200-250hp is probably reasonable, but you'll be going to direct port if you want more power. On a six-cylinder motor, 75-100hp seems to be the highest "safe" setup. Of course, I use the term "safe" very loosely here, to mean that folks have run this amount of nitrous for quite a while without blowing up their engines.


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Miscellaneous Options
Purge
Most nitrous systems are build with a purge feature. The purpose of a purge is to get liquid nitrous oxide up to the front of the car, filling the hoses with nitrous rather than air. To do this, another solenoid is used, but rather than shooting the nitrous into the motor, it's usually shot up over the hood, so you can purge until it creates a nice fog. It also looks real cool . Of course, no fuel is used during a purge.

Bottle Heater
It's virtually mandatory that you install your nitrous system with a bottle heater, which is used to raise up the temperature of the bottle, and therefore increase the pressure at which the nitrous is delivered. If you don't use one, your pressure will quickly drop and won't supply the volume of nitrous your vehicle was tuned for.

Remote Bottle Opener
Normally, your nitrous bottle should be kept closed, with no pressure in the nitrous lines. But when you're lined up against that guy that just looks a bit too fast, you'd hate to say "excuse me, do you mind if I hop out and open my bottle in the trunk?". Easy solution, get a remote bottle opener! Most vendors have such a device, which allows you to open the bottle electrically via a switch on your dash.


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Collateral Damage
You can break tons of other parts on your car by running nitrous, or any other large power adder. Running slicks at the track will just accelerate the damage. Here are a few things to keep in mind.

Clutch
The huge torque spike at low rpm's is particularly hard on clutches. I had to buy a new clutch as soon as I made my first pass with nitrous on slicks. Keep in mind, on a manual transmission car, you're likely to need one too.

Rear End
Not unique to nitrous, but certainly a common failure on high horsepower cars, is the rear end. A 4th generation f-body, with a stock 10-bolt rear end, is not going to last long on nitrous. Plan for an expensive (~$2,000) upgrade at some point.

Tires
With all the extra power, you'll have trouble hooking up with any traction, especially on street tires. You'll probably have to use drag radials at least, or slicks if you're adding any significant power.


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Thanks

... to Larry Kash for corrections to this page

Note: Running nitrous oxide in your engine can be very dangerous, and the above document is intended on helping you understand generally how it's done. My recommendation is that you not do it at all, unless you can afford a new motor if something goes wrong. In either case, the information above is just my recommendations, and in no way is a guarantee, or acceptance of any responsibility on my part.

I happen to use mostly NOS components in my nitrous system, and consequently you'll see pictures and examples of NOS products on my pages. I don't necessarily suggest that they are the best products, though. Specifically, I'm not happy with the NOS solenoid failure I had, and the customer service response. I would probably recommend another vendor's solenoids, like NX.

Copyright © 1997-2004 David Mills (dmills@go-fast.org), no part of this site (http://www.go-fast.org/) may be reproduced without permission of the author. The author makes no claims or guarantees as to the quality of the information on this site. I'm an enthusiast just like you, and while everything here is correct as I know it, I'm not responsible if your car breaks.


If anything is improperly sited or LPEDave would like me to remove this, just say the word. Just thought it would be helpful if it became a sticky, this way no one has to look up LPE Dave's very helpful N2O page and we arent answering the same 5-10 questions every other day.


-Dustin-
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