I agree with JP on all expcept one point. I dont have tint for privacy. I have it so my car dosent bake in the summer when parked and it looks o so bad ***! I think tint is cool but on the otherhand I agree with the laws

 

I agree - tint makes a car look good and it stays cooler on those hot summer days.

Yes, the problem with safety for the police may be an issue

BUT

If we want to talk about safety - how many more times have people walked up to a car and blown away the driver compared to the driver blowing away a cop?

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by smiley23
If we want to talk about safety - how many more times have people walked up to a car and blown away the driver compared to the driver blowing away a cop?

This safety issue doesn't relate to tinted windows does it? this issue relates to citizens being legally able to have a CCW permit and carry a gun right beside them in their car, which a lot of citizens legally do, which is why police want to be able to see those guns when approaching a vehicle. Also the safety issue of tinted windows also relates to the driver inside the car not being able to see other motorists clearly, it prevents accidents.

As far as the privacy issue, I wasn't saying that people should have their privacy within a car with tinted windows, I was trying to get the point across that if you have tinted windows you have less privacy because the police could have a reason to search your car because of your unlawfully tinted windows, without tinted windows and no reasonable suspiscion a officer can't search without your permission.

 

What about the flipside of that last comment?

How can a perp. blow away a driver if they cant see them? Personally, I feel that we should be allowed based on that alone. Never mind the simple benifits of comfort and privacy.

As far as the cop being able to see the gun ...

From a cops point of view...

If you are standing beside the car - YOUR IN THE WRONG SPOT and you didnt pay attention to your training. They are trained to stand behind the car and evacuate it.

 

I could post pages and pages of counter arguments to the points in support of this law. There really is no point. I understand the respect for law enforcement, and respect your guys opinions on this. I just don't agree with it, and never will.

I am convinced this law has not in any way taken police out of harms way. Simply put, if I intend to harm a police officer, do you think I care about complying with some tint law? Like many laws, that have good intentions, this one only punishes the innocent.

 

thats a dumb statement. if you have tint on the sides you are breaking the law and therefore are not innocent. Its not like this is one of those buried laws that is there to trick you. Everyone I know who has tint got it knowing it was illegal. I have never meet anyone who got pulled over and honestly didnt know.

 

Not 100% true - there are odd-***** out there like me

I lived in Canada and moved to the US. The car was tinted while I lived in Canada.

I know now that it is illegal - but I found out about 6 or 7 months after I lived here from a friend who saw my car.

 

tue there is that case. when you had it done I am sure you knew it was fine in Canada and you didnt know you would be moving to MI I assume?

 

My grandma bought a car in Florida when she was down there for the winter like she always does. She didn't know the tinted windows on it were illegal til she came back to Michigan in the spring and I informed her. I agree a lot of people who have tinted windows got them tinted knowing it was illegal. But I been there's probably an equal amount that didn't know.

 

when i got mine done they made sure to inform me

 

Yeah when I got mine done they made sure I knew before they even started work. You know how muffler shops are in business to do the exhaust work but can't/won't touch your cat. Wonder how tint shops are in business to do the rear windows but are more than willing to do your side windows? Kinda the same thing isn't it. I'm not complaining, just something I noticed.

 

its like performance shops do. They make you sign a waiver for any "off road" only mods. Stating this car isnt a street car. With tint you just claim it to be a show only car

 

Dumb?

What is your definition of illegal?

A law, which is unjust, is by definition, illegal. This is a core principal that has been around since the foundation of this country.

This law is unjust. It assumes I am doing something wrong, harmful, or criminal. Having tint, in and of itself, causes no harm to anyone. I have failed to see how, if my windows are rolled down, I am obstructing the police, (which I assume is why the tint law exists) and how I have commited a "crime", as defined by you.

Laws punish the innocent, law abiding ciitizen all the time. Gun control is a perfect example. The only people who are affected by these laws are the innocent gun owners. A criminal is "NOT" going to be affected by this, as he isn't going to be worried about a 5 day waiting period or a background check when he is buying his gun from some crack head on the street!


This law is revenue generation, nothing more. It is intended to give a tool to law enforcement to punish those of us who drive Mustangs, Camaros, or even ricers. The assumtion is that we must be doing something wrong, by the fact that we have these cars. Tint is just another way for them to hastle us.

On another note, I know of serveral people who have tint, and are totally oblivious to the law. One is my mother. Her SUV has side tint all the way around. When I asked her about it, she was totaly ignorant of this. Of course, since she is not driving a sports car, and therefore, is not doing "anything wrong", she has never had a problem with the police.

I would like to see the statistics on what type of cars get ticketed for tint. I think my points would then be proven.

 

People really need to stop whining about being harased because they drive a Camaro or Mustang. I have been driving Camaros for 8 years and only gotten pulled over once. I was doing 37 over. I was breaking the law and I desreved to get pulled over. I dont blame cops for targeting our cars. They are capable of breaking the law more quickly and easier then most cars on the road. I never bitch about paying tickets either. In the past 3 years I have paid thousands (yes thousands) in traffic fines. They are there for revenue no one is deniying or hiding that fact. If you dont like being harrased, rip off your tint and sell your car. No one is forcing you to drive it.

 

I was pulled over for tint on my side windows, first day I had my 1999 SS (on my way to transfer the registration). The cop let me go when I stated that I just purchased the vehicle. I am scheduled to remove the tint in 2 weeks. It just isn't worth the aggravation and the possible $245 for the ticket (Nova Scotia). I honestly DID NOT know! Will cost $20 a window to remove.

My opinion is that tint on the side windows is great in the daylight, but at night, vision is reduced to the point that I will enjoy its removal.

I do believe it is a revenue stream for the Province. I just contributed for my absence of a seatbelt. $135
Seatbelts. "Do they save lives - of course they do." Do I want to wear one. No. Like it was stated previously, it is a serious money stream. The one point I would like to make about seatbelts is "The top speeders "Cops, Taxis, and Couriers" are exempt !!"

That just sucks! If it was for safety, everybody would require their use. It only take's a second to put it on and take it off. It's all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Back to TINT. Do I think it contributes to the safety of the officer? NO.
You can have total tint on the back window. If anybody had the crazy notion of shooting a cop, they could easily do it through the back window. If it was for police safety, you wouldn't be able to tint any window of the vehicle.

I think that politicians will keep dreaming up laws. The only way to retaliate is speak your mind to the politician who shows up at your door and vote against the current Government.

I heard of a new Halifax by-law yesterday on the radio. A dog can **** on your lawn and it is illegal if the house owner does not remove the item from his lawn. They stated that it raises health issues. Makes you think, "Who's running behind the deer in the woods, picking up that load of crap?"

Who thinks this stuff up?