I'll give you head.

Wait?

What?

Sh*t!

 

Both heads are great, and both offer great heads/cam packages. Personally I went with Lloyd because I got a BABY cam(220/226) that DIDN'T lope through a stock catback with it idle'd up. I did that because I street race and I don't want the person I'm racing(for $$$ or not) to know that I'm running heads/cam.(makes it easier to make money this way). Now with that being said, I saved ~$800 opposed to AI's setup.(who I talked to prior to Lloyd, and that was the price difference at the time) I got exactly what I wanted and the car with the baby cam still put down a 11.71 at 116.7 in horrible weather. With an electric waterpump, bigger tb, dyno tune, and better weather it easily had 11.3x's at 119mph in it(yes in an stalled auto even). Not too bad for something that sounds like it only has a catback. Hell that motor(still stock bottem end) put down 377rwhp/358rwtq on a STOCK tune in my buddies car just a few weeks ago. The torque curve from 2400 to 5600 only had a difference of about 8-10rwtq, which means it was FLAT. I'm sure it will do 400rwhp with a tune and all the bolt ons.

That being said, in all honesty I think Lloyds packages(stock ported heads) are getting VERY close to AI's packages, if not equal. I'm now running a le2 package on a 383 and on the shakedown pass it went 11.78 at 115.6 on drag radials. The setup come spring(since tracks are closed) has a 10.9x at 120+mph pass (all motor) in it with the rest of the supporting mods, a good tune, and some slicks.

Both Lloyd and AI do good work, but why pay more for something that really isn't any better? (or will be maybe .05 faster but will cost $500 more, if you get what I'm saying)

 

hmm well alot of different opinions on this subject i see. they both seem like great places to work with too me. by the way i live in Youngstown, Ohio for the guy who posted where do you live at. let say the heads cost for $500 to have them gasket matched. i buy a hardware head package from combination motorsports for $80bucks. staying with stock cam just don't want to spend anymore more money. want to update soem things in my house- haha. freaking car.. haha. would i be better off with just getting the AI head package by then time i buy parts and have a gasket matchfor money wise? i'm sure shipping my heads to someone in another state wouldn't be pretty..

thanks

 

how bout me porting my intake for gasket match- the runners? i should beable to do that right? alot easier then heads. right?

 

To ship a set of bare LT1 heads from CA to NC it costs right about 50 each way. I wouldn't hesitate to do it again.

As for people saying the price is way different, they should look at the prices. 1800 for an LE2 setup and an econoport head/custom cam from AI is 1500 + 400 = 1900. A grand total of $100, different.

I'll put my vote in for AI, they are great. Possibly the best customer service I have recieved from any automotive shop. They called me back at 9pm their time to make sure I had a satisfactory answer to a question. It never took more than a couple of hours to get a response to any question. Nothing but good things to say.

For a couple hundred ($300) more you could get a set of heads that kicks LE2/LE3 *** at all numbers. I won't post my numbers, as it's like poker to me and you have to pay (buy) to see them.

Good luck with your decision.

 

Im from cincinnati, ill shoot you some addresses via PM

 

You have good numbers too. Grease is running Ai's econoport heads with the 847 cam granted its a bigger cam than yours but he put down 412rwhp with Ai's econoport heads. Not even Phils best.

 

I feel the same way.

BTW (hijack) Sean, did you get your car back together yet? Ready for The Milkman Second SoCal Tour?

 

The LE1 is $1100. The LE2 is $1600. The LE3 is $1700.

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LE1 cam pulls from 2000 to 6300 RPM and should make 370-390 RWHP with matching heads, 30 lb injectors, 52 TB, 1 3/4 LTs, No cats, good tuning, etc. The heads are ported using stock valves, performance valve job, back cut valves, CM 612 springs, retainers and locks, milling, cleaning and assembly. These heads flow about 255/180 with a 195 cc intake port and stock LT1's flow about 215/150 with a 170 cc intake port.

Heads and cam are $1100 (plus shipping) and will pass emissions with good tuning. This has the RPM range of the Hot Cam or CC 305 cam but makes more HP and TQ through out the entire RPM range. This will work
with any gear and converter but the track times will be better with a stall and some gear.

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LE2 cam pulls from 2200 to 6500 RPM and should make 400-420 RWHP with matching heads, 30-36 lb injectors, 52-58 mm TB, 1 3/4 LT's, no cats, GOOD tuning, etc. The heads are ported and machined for larger Ferrea 2.00/1.56 valves, Comp 987 dbl springs, TITANIUM 10 degree retainers, locks, locators, milling, cleaning and assembly. These will flow about 270/190 with a 205 cc intake port.

Heads and cam are $1600 (plus shipping) and will need GOOD tuning. This has the RPM range of the CC 306 cam but will make more HP and TQ at peak and across the board. The REAL difference will be the LE2 cam will make TQ in the 2500 RPM range and the cc 306 doesn't start until way past this. It will make more HP than the cc 306 at ALL RPM's.

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LE3 cam pulls from 2600 to 6800 RPM in a 350 (2300 to 6500 RPM in a 383) and should make 410 to 430 RWHP with matching heads, 36-42 lb injectors, 58 TB or mono blade, GOOD tuning, etc, etc, etc. These are the same heads from above but with Comp 977 springs instead of the 987's. These are stronger and will also need Comp R lifters to handle the spring pressure.

Heads and cam are $1700 (plus shipping) and will need GOOD tuning. This cam is similar to the GM 847 cam but makes about 10 more HP at peak and starts making HP sooner. Makes more HP and TQ across the board. Needs gear and converter to work well in a 350. Pretty much a racing cam for the 350 or a good street cam that will act like the LE2 in a 383.

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Everyone has a different opinion about what is streetable and what a safe RPM limit is for their engine.

If you are looking for just cylinder heads and no cam, the heads are priced at . . . . .

$750 for the LE1 heads only
$1250 for the LE2 heads only
$1300 for the LE3 heads only

 

My mistake, its $300 difference from LE2 and $200 from LE3. Doesn't change much...the results show that you get what you pay for. Look at what (THE MAJORITY) of people dyno/trap/run and decide where you want to fall. Everyone has a different budget and different goals.

To the original poster, you should probably stay local and just get everything cleaned up. You won't have crazy results, but you won't spend much either. Cleaning up an intake isn't hard just need the tools and to make it all look uniform.

Good luck on your quest for power.

 

Thats not necessarily true. Phils cars are usually faster because he offered custom grind cams with his while most of lloyds users are using off the shelf cams. How is the area under the curve in my 230/236 114lsa cammed car???

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Thats a pretty flat torque if you ask me. These were his old heads too.

By the way, I just created a new post showing my new flow numbers from lloyds porting of AFR210 bare castings. For ~600 porting I have a set of AFR's that was very comprable (and better on the intake) then AFR's Competiton CNC porting. I have less than 2k in my AFR210's (including the heads) and they flow pretty well. I am excited to put them on and run the T76 turbo. Here is a copy of my post:

Well, Lloyd emailed me my flow #'s for my AFR210's that he finished porting from bare castings. I believe he used 2.08/1.60 valves. Below is a comparison between my original LT1 ported heads he did (when I made 383rwhp/353rwtq N/A), AFR CNC 210's, and my AFR 210's Lloyd did.

..........Lloyd's LT1 Heads..........AFR CNC 210's................Lloyd's AFR 210's
.200........133/92..........................138/112............................143/103
.300........188/132........................201/150............................204/141
.400........233/155........................247/190............................247/173
.500........264/180........................276/207............................281/198
.600........274/191........................288/220............................308/219
.700...........................................297/230............................311/227

I have less than 2k invested in these AFR heads from Lloyd (that includes the price of the AFR heads bare). All exhaust numbers from lloyd were done without a pipe. They should work well with the turbo. Combustion chamber will be 65cc and I havent gotten the size of the intake runners yet.

 

flusz28,

If you stay local, be careful of LT1 Dave in the Cincinnati area, just my .02!

 

Well, I was quoted $1200 difference when inquiring about porting my AFR210's. Lloyd said ~$600, AI said $1800. Thats a big difference especially now that i have flow #'s to show for it.

 

loyd does not use off the self cams there custom grinds. yes he does have 3 cams that he normaly recomends but he can get you what you want. he has a cam that is a little smaller than the 847 and one person with it and the le3 heads put down 423 rwhp through an auto. not bad

but hey we can go on and on about his did this but AIs did this. but the fact is that there both good and seem to have good customer service. and thats good for everybody

 

The philosophy behind us camaro owners is "bang for the buck." We own the poor man's corvette...going on that principle it seems the theme going around is that Lloyd's ported heads put down just as good numbers as Ai and in certain instances are considerably cheaper than Ai so I would, and plan on going for in the future, go with Elliott's Portworks. "Just my $.02"

~Kevin