Now you have. A company did it in 6 weeks back in 2005. Released the exact same kit to the masses that same year I believe.

http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/tm.as...heck=575052443


"The car has a ZZP trans with stock dif and no special GM hard parts.

The bottom end is totally stock with the exception of XPZ cam.

We did not run with wheelie bars.

The car takes about 1 hour to put it back to a totally streetable driver. Tire change all the way around, stock seats back in, exhaust put back on."

 

The same company has a front wheel drive "granny car" in the mid 8s.

http://stattama.com/index.cfm?fuseac...2280&pageid=53

What's that half way down? Oh yeah... Stock l67 short block.

Jesus Christ. I didn't even know it was still stock running mid 8s. I thought for sure they did something by now. I'm out of the loop. Those guys are freaking INSANE.

 

Turbo LT1 for the win... a good tune like if you were going blower, and you should be fine. IMO... not much more complicated then a blower kit, and depending on whos turbo kit you go with, price isn't more than a blower kit.

I'd say 383ci, stock heads, mild cam and you could make some good power until you can afford a nice set of heads.

How much power you looking to make? If you want, shoot me an email and I can offer some advice on turbo setups for your goals.

Jon

 

Well if I go turbo the most I'll ever probably want is 650whp. But, to start off with I'd be happy with 400+ Then do some more work and gradually build up to the 650.

 

have you driven a gtp? i own one, probably wouldn't buy another unless i got it for free. they aren't cheap to make fast nor to own. not compared to a trans am. i pay half just for insurance on my 94 trans am then i do my 97 gtp and stock to stock the trans am mops the gtp up. not to mention upgrading costs. its like comparing an ls1 to an lt1, dollar for dollar the trans am anyway you build it will be faster. buy a v6 mustang and put a body kit on it cause it apparent you have done your research so well.

 

I actually owned 2 GTPs for over 8 years. I know a little about them.

If you think they aren't cheap to make fast then you don't know what you are doing.

I dropped a full second for $300. (13.9@97) Used 1.9s/used FWI/3.4 pulley FULL street trim
I dropped another .5 for $1200 total. (13.4@103) Just TOGs added. Full street trim.
For $1600 I had a 12 second car. (VS cam, 3.0, FWI, dhp1.0, TOGs, 285whp/300TQ)
This was done in AZ in the summer too.

So how much are headers for an LT1? How much are the other bolt ons? I can tell you I'm at $850 in the LT1 and nowhere near 12s.

Don't talk to me like I don't know anything, clearly it's you who should own a v6 mustang with a body kit.

I've owned a GTP and LT1 and so far the GTP is cheaper and easier to mod. It's also WAY better as a DD.

 

Did you really just say that a TA is cheaper to own than a GTP!? WOW, now I've heard it all.

 

12 what? 12.9? for 1600 in an lt1 you would be faster. lt's and ory $430 shipped, cam $300, springs $150, rockers $200, mail order tune $150 and hell $75 for gaskets. if you can't break into the 12's with that you are a retard.

 

Go ahead and throw in O2 sensors for when they fail from the header coating, retainers locks locaters shims pushrods lifters timing set guideplates possible rocker studs o2 extensions oil and filter coolant welding for the exhaust you put on.

There's more too.

I'm not saying 12s can't be physically done for that cheap, but not with an auto car in AZ.

And I'm not saying the W-body is a better platform at all. I was simply showing what they are capable of because people doubted them.

Somebody never heard of a stock bottom end 9 second car. Now they have... actually they now have seen a stock bottom end 8.6 car.

 

your a ****ing idiot if you think you can build a 9 or 8 second car like that.

 

I give up talking to you people.

Thank you to the people that had something to say, but I'm done with this thread thanks to a couple people.

 

If you do manage to build a stock bottom end turbo lt1 in the low9s-high8s; I don't think the motor will last long. The amount of boost you will have to run will end up turning your motor into a big grenade sooner or later. I have seen camshafts, cranks, rods and pistons blow to pieces.

 

He never said he is planning/wanting/possible to do an LT1 that does 8s/9s on a stock bottom end. I don't remember him saying he is building a tube chassis, full race car either.

He said that the GTP/Regal GS L67 engine is capable of it and provided proof/pics of it.

The L67 is a great engine and is capable of big HP with stock internals. I have owned a GTP in the past and the ONLY reason I don't still have it is because I gotta have RWD. I have and still am considering a 3.8 V6 turbo/TH350 in my Firebird.

I have friend that has a 4dr, 98GTP that is daily driver capable and does consistent bottom 12s with no N2O and a stock eaton blower in street trim other than the ET streets.

 

With a T76 turbo and ~5psi... you should be able to easily hit ~400rwhp with a stock motor. A safe tune and and bigger injectors... should last a little while.

 

what did you spend $850 on that didn't net you gains anywhere near 12's. what are your times? its clear that i should own a mustang? because i can built a 12 second v8? how about an 11 second one? you are talking about not being able to build a lt1 in az but you can build a forced induction v6 in a hot climate much easier? right now i see how much easier it would be cause the raised intake temps wouldn't be an issue in the 100+ degree summer for you right.