I remember when My buddy was doing his car in the late 90's.....he was making 360 h.p. with a GEN6 DFI cc306, and ported heads.......and he was the big dog back then.......Things have come along way since then

 

That's right... DFI was the big thing back then. Not HalTech. I gets my imports mixed up w/ my Amarican stuffs from back then...
I remember all these guys that I mentioned would line up and everybody from the pits would run to the line to watch them run.

 

Uhh, was this supposed to contradict my statement that you quoted?

Like I said, it was almost unheard of back then. It is MUCH more common within the last few years with the proven h/c combos. I never said it wasn't done back then, just MUCH less common than now. Sheesh!

Dan

 

I agree, I've sent Bret a few emails over the last 2 or 3 weeks but haven't received a response. I supplied everything about my combo including the head flow #s and what I was looking for.

 

Humm...... not sure what to say except. Yes, I was paying attention and literally saw 100's of different cars and combinations dyno. That's more the reason I don't remember is I saw so damn many and that was 9-10 years ago. Sorry for not have a photographic memory of what every combo made.

Not sure what era you’re referring to as around late 97 early 98 a bunch of people were doing heads and cams. It was Chris Marsh whom installed the 211/219 cam, ported intake and MTI (GTP) heads n shorty headers and ported the MAF on mine in late 96/early 97. Things were a little ruff regarding the install and is solution to the oil leak he created was.....more silicone. Felt Chris was a bright guy but a tiny bit young and immature. I personally really liked his partner Clay. Chris did know how to make power, but I'll give his mother a lot of credit. She was pretty salty when it came to drag racing and had weight reduction and compression figured out way ahead of everyone else.

Actually still have a dyno sheet of Chris Marsh's car in early 98 making 403.9/380.4 with a 306 cam and Joey Thackery’s car making 403.6/381 with somewhat larger extreme grind.

The first tuning software was available in early 97 and MTI did most of it at the time. You would trade your ECM for one that Jayson had programmed for your combo. Numb Nuts (Chris Harrington) soon after got a copy of the software which was in DOS and started programming OBD1 cars. Still have a copy of the software along with numerous tuning files. I personally liked Chris but will agree 100% he had a dysfunctional side. Like getting my car stolen being one but except for LGM (another disfunctional side) Chris was basically the only show in town.

Haltech never did produce a mass marketed ECU for the LTx cars. How do I know? My 97 SS was the mule and I worked directly with Haltech. The car was stolen while at Harringtons shop and Haltech lost everything and dropped the project. Also, the car did not pick up any more power vs the stock OBD1 computer.

 

Your going full circle back to a ruffer cam as Bret's cams are more suited to making power vs drivability.

 

Right right... I corrected myself a few posts up in remembering DFI was the big thing back then.
I'm sorry you got involved with numb nuts. I'm glad I never sunk any money into anything he touched. I thought Bob Norwood was screwing around with tuning **** back then?

 

Bob did a lot of tuning on his cars but the software he used was on another planet compared to what was available for the F body. I vividly recall him making 1038 rwhp on Karmack’s twin turbo Testarossa and Bob asked me if I wanted a ride. My response was: “No thanks Bob, I have clean underwear on”

Chris Harrington was a very enjoyable individual, unfortunately he had some personal issues and ended up affecting a lot of people. He really was quite intelligent and very well traveled, just one ****ty mechanic.

 

I believe Bret can make a cam suitable for just about any desirable torque curve within reason..that is if he answered Customer's that have their wallet open with money falling out but then again..maybe not, could be why he didn't respond. Thought maybe it was an email server issue at my office was the cause, but the logs said the first ones went thru...

 

Thanks for the history lesson. When you mentioned the mid 90s (does 94, 95, 96 qualify?) that's what I thought you meant, my mistake. Seeing as there was no real tuning available at that point, or so I was told, was the reason I doubted your 400rwhp statement. Now that I know your the "fact" man, I'll always take what you say as gospel. Lesson learned, sorry for intruding.

 

Actually my car is very driveable, more so than my friends cc306 cammed car. The LE2 cam on stock heads is pretty quick for what it is, but I dont have my car running 100% as of yet so I should see some better street manners. I dont want to start a flame war about what cam is better or worse, just want to clear up some misconceptions.

BUt like 2quik mentioned, its all about what you want, I specifically told Bret I wanted something that would be lopey and stay under 6.5K. I didnt care about how driveable the car would be, but Bret told me that I shouldnt have any problems with it unless I have a sh!tty tune. Pretty happy with the results, but I still have some bugs to work out. IMO, get a cam ground for whatever you want, but we all know that Bret isnt the only one that does custom grinds. Call any of the big cam manufacturers and let them know what you want, Im sure they can help you out as well.

 

The cam I sold him was extremely drivable and don't know what the issue is as it doesn't make sense to me. I promish you..... the 235/242 on a 114 in a 383 was smooth as silk and wideing the lobe seperation has been my favorite trick to smooth out a cam since day 1.

My current 245/248 .630.630 on a 112 in a 398ci motor drives super smooth and took Lloyd Elliott for a ride about 3 weeks ago and he was surprised how smooth and fast the car was. Said it was a real sleeper probably about a half a second faster that his personal 383. You drive the thing 45 mph in 6th gear and it's happy as a pig in poop.

Somethings up in my opinnion but dunno what. What I do know is going to a 110 or 108 lobe seperation is not the answer. Seen numerous tuned and the curve is never as smooth as a wider lobe seperation. NEVER.

 

A4's don't get cam surge like 6-speed cars do, my cam is smaller than an LE2 cam and if I dont keep it above 2k the whole car starts bucking from cam surge. And I have a very good tuner, if you don't believe me do a search for Jeremy Formato on Ls1tech.

 

Where are the track times on this new setup?

 

still workin out bugs, the day after the dyno with the power dropoff I went 12.0@118 my 1st pass, the 2nd pass i went 12.3@117 spinnin my *** off, and those were the only 2 runs of the night. Then I put an msd cap/rotor on it and went back a couple weeks later and only went 12.3@116. I just put on a new msd coil, and I can't see any arcing when I start it up at night. I'm going to re-adjust the lash then head back to the track to see if I fixed it.